FOUR STATES (VT, RI, IL, CA) plus FITZGERALD = BUSH IMPEACHMENT

[berni_mccoy]

There are now FOUR (that's FOUR) States that have legislature initiatives ON THE TABLE or under consideration for the impeachment of Bush.

For those who don't know, one of the ways Impeachment can be initiated is if a state legislature issues CHARGES OF IMPEACHMENT to the U.S. House of Representatives.

From http://impeachpac.org/?q=node/716 :

In the House there are various methods of setting an impeachment in motion: by charges made on the floor on the responsibility of a Member or Delegate; . . . by a resolution dropped in the hopper by a Member and referred to a committee; by a message from the President; by charges transmitted from the legislature of a State or territory or from a grand jury.

One thing I learned is that A GRAND JURY can trigger an impeachment. A grand jury simply needs to INDICT him and impeachment hearings begin. Hmmmm... let me think for a moment, who's investigating crimes of the White House right now.... OH YEAH, Patrick Fitzgerald!!!

And wouldn't you know it, Bush has been IMPLICATED AS AUTHORIZING THE ILLEGAL DECLASSIFICATION OF CIA INFORMATION.

Fitzgerald could simply ask the Grand Jury to Indict Bush, and WHAMO, IMPEACHMENT.

I think the only question is now, how many state legislatures will follow suit? Oh, and THEY DON'T NEED APPROVAL FROM THEIR RESPECTIVE STATE GOVERNORS!!!! Bwahahahahah!

[katty]

1. Yipee! keep 'em comin'!

[helderheid]

2. PRESIDENT PELOSI 2007!!

[BuyingThyme]

3. Those are great states; they should unite and invite others to do the same

They can call it the united states or something.

[berni_mccoy]

6. Hehe, and the flag can start over with FOUR STARS

You want to be part of the U.S., you need to Impeach Bush.

[bdamomma]

4. we have to stop this idiot

NOW.

[underpants]

5. What about Nebraska?

they only have ONE house so it necessarily would be easier than the ones with two.

[huskerlaw]

24. hahahahaha

surely you kid. Impeaching Bush won't be easy in Nebraska. He's still got a 52% approval rating there.

[justice1]

37. We need to bi-pass the media, to reach the voters.

Have you ever heard a story about ES&S that isn't glowing?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. didn't Wisconsin vote to impeach and withdraw from Iraq too?

[berni_mccoy]

10. That was the Wisconsin Democratic Party

I don't think the state legislature took up actual charges... not certain though... If they did, then that makes FIVE!

[shraby]

13. It was the Dem party, Not the legislature unfortunately n/t

[Frustratedlady]

8. I forget. Has this ever happened before?

I'd rather see Fitzgerald indict him and save all the time and money of going through another grand jury. Get the job done and get * the he** out of the White House ASAP.

[helderheid]

9. The Salt Lake County Dem Convention was last Saturday - that was

a resolution offered up there - a big group got up and booed and said no to impeachment and then promptly walked out after that vote was over - I'm fairly certain they were Republican plants.

[pacalo]

11. More good news, berni! Check this out...

http://www.impeachbush.tv/impeach/bystate.html

California Grassroots effort is building. SF, Santa Cruz, San Diego, Arcata passed resolutions. Planning impeachment forum at Democratic Convention 4/28-29.

Colorado Nederland, CO to consider impeachment on April 11th.

Illinois Karen Yarbrough (D-Maywood) introduces HJR0125 in the state Assembly.

Indiana Lake Station to consider impeachment on April 13th.

New Mexico State Democratic party adds impeachment to platform.

New York Plattsburgh endorses HRes635 for investigation and possible impeachment.

Massachusetts Nick Casey is submitting an impeachment resolution as a "citizen petition".

Maine Kennebec County Democratic Committee passed April 20, 2006.

North Carolina Meeting planned for April 27th at Durham Main Library

Rhode Island US Senate candidate Carl Sheeler calls for state impeachment.

Washington 34th District Democrats of West Seattle agreed to a resolution.

Wisconsin 2005 Democratic Party Convention passed a resolution.

Vermont Several cities and counties passed. State Democratic convention also passes.

[pat_k]

17. Re: "Rhode Island US Senate candidate Carl Sheeler calls for state. . . "

DU Challenge to keep his "Be Patriotic! Impeach" Bush billboard up another month!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1011338&mesg_id=1011338

Can you help?

[CarlSheeler4U]

39. Yeah. go. Pat, go.

[greiner3]

21. Where's Ohio, where's Ohio?

Oh yeah, I forgot. They are the ones repealing the Constitution!

[LuCifer]

26. Of COURSE FloriDUH is freakin NO WHERE on these lists...

...god this state really has gone to CRAP thanks to Jebthro BU$Hitler...

[marions ghost]

31. YES!

OK maybe there is no precedent for this ever before.

But there was no precedent for the Supreme Court Selection of the p/Rresident either...

We need to contact state legislators now >>>>>>>>>>>

[CarlSheeler4U]

40. And still pushing, too. Keep the billboard going, too.

[vogonity]

12. *Can* he be indicted ?

One thing I learned is that A GRAND JURY can trigger an impeachment. A grand jury simply needs to INDICT him and impeachment hearings begin. Hmmmm... let me think for a moment, who's investigating crimes of the White House right now.... OH YEAH, Patrick Fitzgerald!!!

As I recall from Watergate and the Clinton Impeachment Travesty, a sitting president cannot be indicted. IANAL, but can anyone clarify?

[DelawareValleyDem]

14. Here's a good link

Most legal scholarship seems to indicate that a sitting President CAN'T be indicted. The ultimate arbiter would be the Supreme Court, if any enterprising grand jury ever indicted a President

http://www.justice.gov/olc/sitting_president.htm

[berni_mccoy]

15. He *can* be indicted, but not TRIED... The procedure would be:

Indictment by a grand jury
Impeachment
If Senate Convicts, then Bush would face Trial (for crimes the grand jury indicted him for)

[hootinholler]

19. As I read the constitution he can be indicted, tried and convicted, but...

He's still the President until he's impeached and convicted in the Senate.

-Hoot

[Uncle Roy]

28. The Watergate prosecutor named Nixon as an "un-indicted co-conspirator"

Jaworski's team felt that actually Nixon COULD be indicted and tried, but that the law wasn't settled on that point and if they tried to do it, Nixon's lawyers would make dozens of objections at every step of the procedings, and would appeal every ruling they didn't like all the way to the Supreme Court, with the result that the trial would stretch out for years.

They decided as a practical matter that it would be better to name Nixon as an "un-indicted co-conspirator" (ie, "we could have indicted him, but we decided not to") and let the political process (ie, impeachment) take its course.

Of course, back then there WAS a political process, and it WAS taking its course. Our situation today is quite different, unfortunately.

[PublicWrath]

16. Does anyone have any estimate how long it will be

before these initiatives are actually debated, (assuming that at least one or two have already been approved for formal debate)?

[berni_mccoy]

18. NOTE: COMMITTEE IS NOT REQUIRED IN THIS CASE

See here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1011916&mesg_id=1013010

The bottom line, a State Legislature or Grand Jury CAN BEGIN IMPEACHMENT... it does not go through committee review.

[fooj]

22. That's the GOOD news.

Peace.

[onenote]

34. in theory, committee isn't necessary , but can't be avoided

Even if the impeachment process is initiated by a resolution from a state legislature, until the Democrats gain a majority in the House, the end result is going to be the same: referral to committee, followed by its disappearance.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2586988&mesg_id=2589510

onenote

[onenote]

35. self-delete -- dupe

[KAT119]

20. K&R! K&R! K&R!K&R! K&R!

[BeFree]

23. Which state will be the first?

I'm taking bets.

I'd say the winner should get an all expense paid trip to DC to be our very own DU witness to the impeachment.

Which state will make history?

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

25. K&R...

...eom

[Pacifist Patriot]

27. Serious question about timing. i.e. trying not to get my hopes up

I am all for impeachment. The administration is criminal (and evil in my opinion) and must be stopped. My only concern is the Republican majority in the House and Senate. How soon can these resolutions realistically be passed? Would they open the issue in the 109th Congress or when the 110th takes office in January 2007?

Can double jeopardy apply if the 109th Congress gets forced to address the issue, a trial ensues and the administration is found not guilty?

My realist side says there is not nearly eough time to accomplish the investigation and trial prior to January 2007, but the pessimistic side of me can see the damned Republicans who see the writing on the wall rushing it through while they still have a modicum of control.

And DAMN am I nervous about the election in November. Not because I think the Democrats would lose but because I fear Diebold would "win."

[pat_k]

29. And speaking of Rhode Island. . .

Check out the DU Challenge to keep the
"Be Patriotic! Impeach Bush" billboard up
(Sheeler for U.S. Senate)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1011338&mesg_id=1011338

Related:

The Third Man (Providence Journal editorial 23-Apr)

[TheUnspeakable]

30. Kick this baby!!!!!!!

here's a direct link to sign up and help this effort along!!
Join The Impeachment Working Group!
<http://www.pdamerica.org/impeach-wg.php>

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. Kick.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

33. How Many States before COngress is required to try

and hopefully convict?

We need to get this jammed through!

[Independent_Liberal]

36. These four states kick ass!

Fitz kicks ass too!

:)

[DanCa]

38. Chimpys going get impeached someday uh-huh uh-huh

Oh Chimpy's going to get impeached someday uh-huh uh-huh
With Rummy and Cheney by his side chimpy is going to get impeached someday uh-huh uh-huh

Sorry I am listening to Bruce Springsteen singing Froggy Went a Courtin.