but I had noticed the article on alternet yesterday and the responses there.
Lots of the same nonsense - "what about prison rape jokes" as if people are saying that those are ok.
I thought post 123 was esp. revealing:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1546825#1547067I just called my BIL, because I know he watches the show
He's VERY< VERY RW -- loves Bush.... he said it was a rape scene -- he raped her, and she liked it... it wasn't a rape fantasy/sex play, it wasn't trying to make a social comment... it was him basically "teaching her a lesson" by raping her, and it got her excited and she liked it. The BIL has written all involved with the show and told me he will never watch it again -- that it made him sick. My 16-year-old nephew was watching with him, and got both upset and confused... he asked his Dad, "I thought rape was bad?" So, then the BIL had to have a talk with the nephew about how it is, and that women do NOT like being forced, and that only criminals do it.
I don't like Denis Leary, so I don't watch the show... but going by what the writers said, and my BIL's perception, I'd say -- it sucks. Very shameful.
How much proof does it take that having scenes like that on TV or anywhere else encourages rape - teaches it's acceptance. "he asked his Dad, "I thought rape was bad?" That says it all.
The only good thing about that is that the father and son had a discussion about it. How many people (esp. 16 yr olds) watching it had that discussion? And even if they did - they were still left with mentally confusing images. And will get more of the same.
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I got up yesterday to find a "men's magazine" on my dining room table. From a husband who doesn't collect such things. "But it has a good article about __ " (musician). So it's a magazine that is mostly about music - but they also throw in some "playboy bunnies" and derogatory comments about women (on the cover - it wasn't like I had to look for it). What the hell. I threw it out. If the men who make those magazines expect them to be out where people can see them - they shouldn't expect to be assholes. Why should I have to have misogynist crap around just because there are some "good articles".
Misogyny. It's everywhere.