You know, I hate how frequenly I'm reminded of how anti-feminist DU is.

[laconicsax]

That is all, just needed to vent.

[seabeyond]

1. i think what bothers me more is the shrug of the shoulders, inability or desire

to go beyond. i read a post just last night, with a man saying, not going to change. it is what it is after a thread of men posting, yea sexism.

blatantly saying, we like the misogynist and not going to do any work to address it.

i am finding in more places outside du such an all around anger and blame towards women for ALL of societal woes. every damn thing inflicting our nation is the fault of the feminazi. and if a woman disagrees, merely disagrees, she is a feminazi. it is no longer feminist that is a nasty word. now it must be the big bad evil feminazi.

and more women saying, it is the feminazi fault. on both sides.

a scapegoat for people to use to not have to reflect, do the work, or go beyond.

[BlueIris]

2. That's what bothers me the most, too, "We're not going 'to change,' (BEING MISOGYNIST) so there!!"

Monsters.

[seabeyond]

3. conditioned. like all the rest of us. i dont see anyone as monsters. the ironic?

when privileged, controll, it is very hard to let go of that power. but really that power hurts all of us. we are a spiritual (not religious) people, however one may choose to see it and when a person is being held down it effects them, either consciously or often unconsciously.

so though these men think this is something they like, reducing a woman to a thing for their entertainment and use, the females understand there is a lack of respect. and with that lack of respect, they cannot help but to project the same.

and what ends up happening is a society without respect, and ends in chaos and mess

how many of these very men that insist on having this power or control are also whining about how women dont love them, arent committed to them, ect.... (as they blame it on feminism)

how we treat others come back to us. it really does not ultimately behoove any of us to reduce an human to a thing. not for the one reduced, and not for the one that chooses to reduce.

[seabeyond]

4. this is a little of what i am talking about.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/04/opinion/bennett-men-in-trouble/index.html?hpt=hp_bn9

The warning signs for men stretch far beyond their wallets. Men are more distant from a family or their children then they have ever been. The out-of-wedlock birthrate is more than 40% in America. In 1960, only 11% of children in the U.S. lived apart from their fathers. In 2010, that share had risen to 27%. Men are also less religious than ever before. According to Gallup polling, 39% of men reported attending church regularly in 2010, compared to 47% of women.

So what's wrong? Increasingly, the messages to boys about what it means to be a man are confusing. The machismo of the street gang calls out with a swagger. Video games, television and music offer dubious lessons to boys who have been abandoned by their fathers. Some coaches and drill sergeants bark, "What kind of man are you?" but don't explain.

Movies are filled with stories of men who refuse to grow up and refuse to take responsibility in relationships. Men, some obsessed with sex, treat women as toys to be discarded when things get complicated. Through all these different and conflicting signals, our boys must decipher what it means to be a man, and for many of them it is harder to figure out.

We need to respond to this culture that sends confusing signals to young men, a culture that is agnostic about what it wants men to be, with a clear and achievable notion of manhood.
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i would love to put this on GD for discussion, but i get accused of hating men, even though every person in my life i love are.... men, or boys

except two nieces

[efhmc]

5. It would be refreshing to have a discussion on DU about

sexism, as practiced here and in main stream society. For a so called progressive site, DU is proudly male dominated.

[redqueen]

6. It's not just DU.

It's the entire world.

On the internet, the only place where it's 'safe' to discuss feminist issues (i.e. without being attacked, having your argument twisted, having discussions derailed by MRAs, etc.) is on feminist sites.

[seabeyond]

7. cnn boards are just amazing with hate toward female. all of the western world ills are caused

by feminism and feminazis. they are not shy about saying exactly that. ALL the western world ills... problems. all.

a lot of women are embracing this too. it is sad

[redqueen]

8. The overwhelming majority of men embrace it.

The vast majority of women do, too.

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