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[musette_sf]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7789565&mesg_id=7789565

Several adds I should have done long ago.

[seabeyond]

1. i think this says everything about how not only we haven't taken a step forward...but steps back war...

for so many males to see it as right of passage, simply curious, shrug shoulders, boys will be boys and the one time i say see from girls perspective, i am told that is whining. the insistence of seeing from boys perspective, and irrelevance of seeing from girls perspective.

the beginning of seeing females dehumanized, not with feeling or a person but merely a tit to grab, so they can brag to friends

the posters that insist a boy at 11 cannot grasp the wrong in it is the beginning of selling our boys out.

it is an interesting thread that reflects the lack of respect to females the permeate this society today.

[Bunny]

2. When my daughter was in the fifth grade at a small Catholic school, a fourth grade boy

ambushed her and two of her friends while they were lining up to go back in to the school after recess. Between the three girls, he managed to grab a breast, pubic area, and buttocks. This was witnessed by two teachers, and the boy was hauled into the principal's office. The principal called his parents and told them to come and get their boy and that he could not return to school until they got him counseling and brought a note from his therapist.

The parents were so indignant that their little Sonny Boy was actually being punished that they pulled him and his little brother from the school and placed them both in public school. I understand that the fourth grade boy in question is now a high school junior and also a thug, so I guess poor parenting can be partly to blame.

I have to say that I was very pleased and more than a little surprised that the school took such an aggressive approach to discipline with this boy.

Nevertheless, the entitlement mentality in our society is still strong, if that thread is any indicator. I don't advocate juvenile detention til he's 18, that seems way too harsh, but I also don't advocate the solution being to simply tell you daughter to beat the shit out of the boy. That places an unfair burden on the girl to take a physical approach, when many girls just aren't mentally or physically equipped to do this. I know my daughter was not, at that age. If she had decked him I would have totally supported her, but I don't think that should be the default method of addressing this behavior. People in authority have to take this seriously and actually do something about it.

[seabeyond]

3. i feel like i a sticking up for 11 yr old boys. i feel others excusing as "normal" are insulting

boys.

my perspective seems to be the exact flip of what so many of the men on the thread perceive my posts

interesting.

i see calling it normal when the strong majority do not behave that was and saying boys just do this when the strong majority dont insult the boys. i know my boys see it as an insult. i know my boys want me to and always appreciate when i stand up for them.

odd, odd parallel world.

[redqueen]

4. Hah! I was just coming here to discuss this.

It really says something when people lump in *actual* 'kids will be kids' behavior (horseplay if they're athletic, stealing candy, breaking something and lying about it, copying their friends' stupid behavior such as cheating on a test or whatever other kind of minor dumb stuff they pick up) with sexual assault.

Why is it so easy for some people to consider the sexual assault of *anyone* as no big deal? Calling it 'groping' or 'copping a feel' IMO is just minimizing it... but why? Why do that?

I just don't get it.



What's also interesting is the desperate need to focus like a laser on the few over-the-top responses (sending boys to prison, charging them with rape, etc.)... I guess it provides an irresistibly tempting distraction... enabling some to sidestep the issue at hand.

[seabeyond]

5. another point. we should not be "proud" that our males do the same thing today they did 40

yrs ago.

many of the men say happened 40 yrs ago, not new. so????

40 years later, we should be able to hope, that anti sexism would have progress. that our males would have progressed. moved forward. not be at the same spot of 40 yrs ago.

[redqueen]

7. Imagine if that tack was taken for threads about gov't abuse...

"They're spying on us? That's not news." ... and that's it... no discussion, no concern.

Stunning, really.

[ismnotwasm]

6. What bullshit huh?

That one made me sick. I am going to show it to my granson too (The only response I made, I had to go to work) An excellent teaching tool on how not to act, child and adult. Fuckers defending that shit are weird.

[bliss_eternal]

8. no shit.

...in fact, i'm wondering how a few were removed from my list? :grr::mad: they were promptly added (again) today, after seeing that mess.