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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:07 AM
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The crying game: male vs female tears
Interesting article, be sure to read the whole thing, there's a bit about Bill Maher at the end. He thinks that this shows that women are "too emotional" to be President.

Same as it ever was...and it's depressing.

Anyone watch the show "Dexter"? They tackled this a bit in a recent episode. A female was in charge of the homicide division at a police station and was accused of "irrational behavior". Another female cop came to her aid saying that "irrational" is code for non-male.

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"Please, please, please, just give the dog back," Ellen DeGeneres wept on national TV last week. It was a moment that quickly established itself in the pop culture firmament, less for the plight of Iggy the adopted terrier than for the copious crying itself.


Setting aside the question of whether those sobs were 100 percent genuine, tears are a natural human response, and public figures are obviously not immune. But some who study this most basic expression of feeling will tell you that in this day and age, it can be easier for a crying man to be taken seriously than a crying woman.

In politics, it's a far cry (OK, pun intended) from 1972, when Sen. Ed Muskie's presidential campaign was derailed by what were perceived to be tears in response to a newspaper attack on his wife. Whether he actually cried is still up for debate. But decades later, an occasional Clintonesque tear is seen as a positive thing.

Bill Clinton, that is. "Bill could cry, and did, but Hillary can't," says Tom Lutz, a professor at the University of California, Riverside who authored an exhaustive history of crying. In other words, the same tearful response that would be seen as sensitivity in Bill could be seen as a lack of control in his wife.

But there are additional rules for acceptable public crying. "We're talking about dropping a tear," Lutz notes, "no more than a tear or two." And it all depends on the perceived seriousness of the subject matter. Thus Jon Stewart or David Letterman could choke up with impunity just after 9/11. But a dog-adoption problem is a whole other matter.

In a recently published study at Penn State, researchers sought to explore differing perceptions of crying in men and women, presenting their 284 subjects with a series of hypothetical vignettes. What they found is that reactions depended on the type of crying, and who was doing it. A moist eye was viewed much more positively than open crying, and males got the most positive responses. "Women are not making it up when they say they're damned if they do, damned if they don't," said Stephanie Shields, the psychology professor who conducted the study. "If you don't express any emotion, you're seen as not human, like Mr. Spock on 'Star Trek,'" she said. "But too much crying, or the wrong kind, and you're labeled as overemotional, out of control, and possibly irrational."
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 12:40 PM
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1. "We are individuals, but you are all alike"
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 12:40 PM by ThomCat
One of the big neon warning signs of a bigot is the insistance that members of his own group be judged as individuals, but members of another group all reflect poorly upon every other member of that group.

Maher just made it abundantly clear that he's a misogynistic bigot, and he's appealing to women to conform to the expectations and assumptions of misogynistic bigots.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 02:00 PM
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2. And if they deign to consider one member of the out-group an exception
They are the exception that proves the rule. You're damned either way.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 02:04 PM
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3. Yes. You're absolutely right.
These types of grouping references are how a hell of a lot of people who "aren't prejudiced" seem to out themselves.

Ever since it was first pointed out to me I've always looked for it. And damn me if it isn't an accurate indicator of who the bigots are.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:59 PM
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5. Bill Maher
I'm SO done with that misogynist gasbag. He should stick to comedy - but he's not even very good at it.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:43 PM
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4. If we're going to generalize
I've found men to be more emotional then women. Jealousy, anger, frustration... oh wait those are *good* emotions.

You'll know the world has changed when it's just as accepted to show sorrow, empathy and compassion without being called irrational - just as people who show violent anger will be called irrational.
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