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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:45 PM
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OMG Hillary shows CLEAVAGE
Oh the horror.
Oh the outrage.
Oh the wit.
Oh the wonder.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/19/AR2007071902668.html

Give me an effingn break.

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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:57 PM
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1. I know
Isn't it ridiculous?

I pulled out my Natalie Angier Book; (Women; An Intimate Geography)--she argues that there really isn't a clear evolutionary reason for "the aesthetic breast", ie; the development of frontal sex once we started standing upright, some sort of mating ready signal, the pretty much debunked "aquatic ape theory". She thinks maybe human beings were/are attracted to the shape of roundness, shown in so much of our bodies.


"A woman's breasts, I argue, are like Burley's white crests. They're pretty, they're flamboyant, they're irresistible. By they are arbitrary, and they signify much less than we think. This is a contrarian view. Evolutionary theorists have proposed many explanations for the existence of the breast, usually according to a symbolic or a functional value, as a signal to men of information they need to know about a potential mate. How can we not give the breast its evolutionary due when it is there in our faces, begging for narrative? "Few issues have been the focus for a wider range of speculation based on fewer facts than the evolutionary origin and physiological function of women's breasts," the biologist Caroline Pond has written. The stories about the breast sound real and persuasive, and they may all have a germ of validity because we ascribe meaning wherever and however we choose; the is one of the perquisites of being human. As the actress Helen Mirren said in in the movie O Lucky Man, "All religions are equally true"

Still, I will argue that breasts fundamentally are here by accident. They are sensory exploiters. They say little or nothing about a woman's inherent health, quality, or fecundity. The are accouterments. If we go looking for breasts and for ways to enhance and display our breasts, to make them stand out like unnatural, almost farcical Barbie-doll missile heads, then we are doing what breasts have always done, which is appeal to an irrational aesthetic sense that has no function but that begs to be amused. The ideal breasts are, and have always been, stylized breasts. A woman's breasts welcome illusion and the imaginative opportunities of clothing. The can be enhanced or muted, as a woman chooses, and their very substance suggests as much: they are soft and flexible, clay to play with. They are funny things, really, and we should learn to laugh at them, which may be easier to do if we first take them seriously"




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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:07 PM
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2. aquatic ape theory -
omg that brings back some memories from another forum long ago and far far away. Oh what a flame war *that* was!


On a more serious note - I like to look at "primitive society" for clues - before "fashion" etc - but of course it was still "fashion" just of a different sort.

Neck rings.

Lip plates.

Elongated earlobes...

Big big butts. (Oh to have been alive THEN!, eh? lol)



Breasts - I think - were a readily visible signal that the female was ready for breeding. Just like the enlarged penis was for men.

Breasts - in a lot of primitive cultures - aren't "sexualized". They just are. They feed the young. They signify maturity. But they aren't to be hidden or enhanced or used for (excuse the term) titillation...


I don't think Hillary's breasts *should* be a subject of discussion during her run for the Presidency. Maybe they could talk about the bulge in men's pants? Nah - they've probably just stuffed 'em with socks anyway...




Semi OT - have you ever wondered why men hate danseurs? (male ballet dancers) Why they HAVE TO DESEXUALIZE THEM and make them "gay"? The ijuts don't understand the ballet belt that men wear and they all feel soooooooooooooo "inadequate".

Another thought about ballet - except when he's dancing alone, the danceur's role - his primary purpose - is TO MAKE THE WOMAN LOOK GOOD. He's nothing but a prop for her, really.

No wonder "real men" hate danseurs.



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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:15 PM
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3. And those guys are in such great shape
Not to mention female ballerinas, whose muscle, agility and strength could give anyone pause. That common misconception of a delicate flower of a ballerina is wrong, wrong wrong.


I think maybe they mentioned "cleavage" because they really want to talk about "breasts". ie "Female" Idiots. Like you say, breasts "are"

Algiers in her book acknowledges function, she just points out we're the only member of the ape class with breasts that serve no useful purpose when we're not nursing. She goes way back-- like to when the mating ready sign was a presented backside. Talks about Desmond Morris and his theory breasts developed to look like buttocks for frontal sex. She doesn't buy it. Fun to speculate though.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:13 PM
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4. Good point about bulges - that would be considered vulgar and tasteless
conversation pretty much anywhere, but discussion of Hillary Clinton's breasts is just fine.

We exist to be scrutinized, used for whatever purpose some man(en) can find, and then tossed aside to wither and die, yes?

Blech.
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