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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:59 AM
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A med to help people with DM2 lose weight.
Here is good news. Finally a med that will get to the root of most diabetes type 2 Acomplia! One of the most oxymoronic things about some diabetes meds is that they cause weight gain, really irritating. Acomplia, available now by prescription in Europe, even seems to target belly fat, though I haven't figured out how. Oh, please don't let the pharmaceutical industry stall this forever. Even if they do, it looks like Merck is in phase 111 with a similar drug.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:47 PM
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1. weight loss would help many ailments including diabetes...
i hope this is considered if and when this or similar meds are introduced here.

i know that losing 30 pounds and keeping it off would go a LONG way to easing my back pain. thing is, with the chronic pain and fatigue, it's nearly impossible to stay on track with a weight loss program. most people, if they ate like me, would be cranky/hungry fools... and i still don't drop weight. i'd love a way to boost my metabolism.
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 02:04 PM
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3. So common.
The chronic pain, fatigue, slow metabolism that thyroid med doesn't touch even when TSH levels are normal, extra weight without extra food intake. This med can help some, but we have to find more answers.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:23 PM
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7. i feel like i've been tested for thyroid more than anyone...
there's never anything abnormal. years before the osteomylietis i had had fatigue, rashes, migraines, nausea and a number of weird/small complaints. my docs gave me the thyroid test and just left it at that. the message seemed to be that if it wasn't thyroid, then it couldn't be anything else.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 01:19 PM
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2. siligut, curious about your background
since you have no profile, i wonder if you would mind telling us a little about yourself.
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 02:21 PM
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4. Sure, no problem.
I am female and have a real problem with the way some illnesses are stigmatized, ignored, mistreated and how they incapacitate these amazing, sensitive and intelligent people.

I have training in western, naturopathic and Chinese medicine.

I don't have a profile because I prefer to be straightforward, profiles are not tested, people say what they want.

I am here to share and gather information, to be of help where I can, just like anyone else.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 02:25 PM
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5. you are, of course, free to not have a profile.
i just think it makes it easier to get to know people.
thanks.
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 02:12 PM
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9. I need anonymity
Cyberspace is scary gigantic. I guess I could list a few more things in my profile, so people could know me better.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:17 PM
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6. it's really nice to have your "voice" here
with the diverse background.
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 02:09 PM
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8. How are you?
I gathered you went somewhere for the holiday, didn't really know. Thank you, I am glad to be here, DU feels like home to me.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 02:37 PM
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10. day before yesterday i tweaked my back
and was in quite a bit of pain. ultram works for me, so i took that and was able to move around.

right now i'm in the middle of divorcing my husband and i'm living off the good will of friends -- had to leave nashville and come back to florida where i grew up. i came to the conclusion over the holiday that i can't wait any longer to get my stuff, some money and a place of my own.

the job situation sucks because i'm operating at 50% these days. my field is advertising/marketing, so even if i can conceivably *get* a job (which i have), i've found that i have trouble *keeping* said job. my hometown is a florida backwater (melbourne area) and i took a job for less than half of my worth b/c it was local and LOST it b/c i wasn't able or willing to work 10-12 hour days (for 26K a year... 15 years experience in marcomm... sheesh). it was devastating. i was treated like shit... made to move furniture and equipment... expected not to take lunch... your basic nightmare shitjob.

i'm between a number of rocks and hard places right now. not having a place to call home is really getting old and not helping the health situation.
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:34 PM
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11. Your husband was allergic to you?
Man, that must'ave been rough. Didn't you know? The more you get paid, the less you work. Sorry about the sucky job, living situations and money problems, none of which would exist if you felt okay. Hope your back is better.

So the health problems actually started before the osteomyelitis? I am trying to keep track.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:56 PM
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12. here's the history (long!)
i had migraines since i was 17. all the women in the family had migraines, so i didn't think too much of it, except that it would be something i'd deal with thru menopause. then, i started getting fainting spells (or seizures). i'd be walking down the hall in my dorm in my legs would give out, i'd get dizzy (and incontinent) and find myself on the floor. this happened three or four times during finals and school trips -- so i chalked it up to stress and bad diet.

later (1993-94), i developed incredible fatigue and felt nauseated all the time -- much more than should have been associated with the migraines. along with this bout of mystery-illness i developed rashes. the generalized back pain started around this time, along with some fierce pain in the joints of my big toes (i know this sounds silly, but it was excruciating). i've always had "clunky" joints in my toes, but they'd never hurt before. also (this is weird) my eyesight went from 20/15 to 20/400 almost overnight.

around 1997-98, more joints became painful -- ankles, knees. i started to notice that i was sun-sensitive -- that being in the sun made the joints hurt and also made me nauseated. if i got a bad enough sunburn, my whole digestive system would freak out with vomiting and diarrhea. i developed a pain in the middle of my calf, that was totally weird in that it wasn't associated with a joint. there were a couple of kidney scares, where i woke up in the middle of the night in horrible pain, unable to stand up straight. i saw the doc for this and was given antibiotics. i'm sure there's more, but i'd have to dig out my journals -- i kept track of this stuff for years to see if it had any correlation to my menstrual cycle. the migraines did, but i couldn't see a correlation to any of the other stuff.

i'd go to my doctor with these disparate complaints and she'd blow each one off successively, offering me anti-depressants. i asked for glucose-tolerance tests, but after they checked the glucose in my urine, that was never done.

May 2002 -- the weekend i got REALLY sick i was on my way driving to florida from nashville. i'd made the trip more than a dozen times in the past few months as i was re-habbing a house (i was also in the midst of being really "done" with the marriage, so part of me wanted to fix the house up to live in). i got an hour into my trip and was so tired i had to stop. that was new. i called a friend in atlanta and stopped there for the night. this high school buddy is what i call a country club drinker, and offered me way too much alcohol. i was horribly sick the next day, but continued. that night i developed a pain in my back that was completely new. it was spastic and more intense than a simple strain. also i noticed that my urine was dark.

i went to an ER first thing in the morning -- 7am. they blew me off; gave me a script for vicodin and high dose ibuprofen -- but said that if the pain got worse or if i got tingling in my extremities, that i should return. about 3pm the pain was worse and my hands were tingly, so i went back.

this time the ER doc said that there was nothing he could do for me, but i protested. i said that i was scared, that i'd had back pain before, but this was different and with the dark urine i was afraid that i might have kidney trouble. then he said that he'd give me an epidural, admit me and do an MRI in the morning. i was relieved, and he was shocked. it was a surreal moment. he positioned me in the epidural chair and after prepping the needle, GOT IN FRONT of me so i could see the needle saying, "are you SURE this is what you want? it's gonna HURT!!!" i was terrified. my exact words were "i don't care if you hobble a foot right now, just address the pain in my back."

it gets weirder.

i was admitted, but no MRI was forthcoming the next day. instead a new doc came in and brusquely tried to discharge me. i was in so much pain i couldn't stand, much less hop into my little 6-speed miata and gingerly drive away. i was crying and gathering my things when the nurse came in and asked what the hell i was doing. i said i had to leave, that the doc said so. she then gave me a shot of morphine and said it was illegal for me to do anything for 6 hours and told me to get my husband down there.

so, i called him and he got on the next flight to melbourne. in the interim, a hospital social worker came in said that i had to leave, that i couldn't use the hospital as a "hotel" and gave me a list of hotels in Rockledge -- 45 minutes away from Melbourne. weird.

i started running a temperature of 103. i was sweating profusely. by the time the husband got there is was barely coherent. two days later i finally got the MRI, and we left to drive back to nashville in the miata.

when i got back i noticed i was yellow and was unable to walk due to a pain in my left leg. i couldn't put any pressure on it. i was also vomiting pretty constantly. i made an appt with my physician and had to be wheeled-in on a wheel chair... i couldn't keep my head up and was still vomiting. they did some blood work and were dismissing me again -- i was literally out the door when my doc ran up saying i had to come back, that my liver levels "were off the scale." i had hepatitis and she said it was prolly from eating sushi. so, i went home with some sort of drug to take and went back a week later when, i STILL couldn't walk, the doc thought she'd feel around on my leg and noticed some lumps. i was rushed to the hospital for ultrasound and then rushed into admittance for blood-thinning therapy. i had DVTs over my knee, all down my left leg and in my ankle. i spent another month in bed.

around august i felt better and was going to go back to florida to work on the house. as i was putting my bags in the trunk my back GAVE OUT and i felt a SPRAY of something inside my body. i went into crazy spasms right there in my driveway. luckily i had my cell phone in my pocket and called a friend and called my physical therapist who told me to come right in.

the friend took me to the PT's office and as i was walking toward her, smiling, a spasm hit and i fell, unable to get up. i was rushed to the hospital where i spent a couple of weeks. two of which were in diagnosis. they had no idea what was wrong with me. the liver problem returned. so, after MRIs, liver biopsies, bone biopsies, and all sorts of frankenstein weirdness they decided i had vertebral osteomylietis -- an infection in two of my vertebra.

i was given nafcillin and lovenox (for the blood clots). the liver panels stayed off the scale and they figured it was TOXIC hepatitis b/c of the meds -- which is a BOGUS diagnosis b/c i had the hep way before the nafcillin. so, on to IV Vancomycin. i was sent home again, but the pain and spasms got worse and i was BACK in the hospital for another month and a half. they were still trying to figure out the liver situation and my GI specialist gave me an ERCP which caused acute pancreatitis. the pancreatitis made the osteomylietis seem like a walk in the park. i wasn't "better" until christmas of that year. i went back to work January 2 b/c my husband insisted i get out of the house. i had no pain therapy at this point and was not prepared for the ongoing mess of pain that would become my life.

sitting was torture and after a few months of weeping quietly at my desk i tried to get my doctors to address it. NO ONE would. not my neuro-surg, my ortho-dude, or my primary. i was at the end of my rope when my primary's nurse *whispered* to me that i needed to see a pain specialist -- as if it's a BIG SECRET. which, i did and which was ugly and awful. the pain clinic situation is a giant scam. not once did anyone treat me as a patient... it was just about getting morphine and checking in once a month. they constantly got my scripts wrong and wouldn't listen when i said that what worked with me was robaxin for spasms, not morphine for pain. i was highly suspicious of these guys and only took the morphine as needed, which was about half of what they prescribed. still, it was better than being in constant pain.

most recently i was admitted to the hospital with off-the-scale blood pressure. systolic was around 240. i know -- it seems impossible. the funny thing is, i went in with new/horrible back pain and dark urine. again, i thought i was having a kidney situation. i usually have low blood pressure and was completely surprised by this.

_______________

i've come to some conclusions about my situation. i think the liver problem was autoimmune hepatitis -- i had had way too much sun in the weeks preceding my illness (traveling for hours with the top down, and doing yard work). i think the rashes are significant, because they only come before i get really sick. so, that points to psoriatic arthritis. i'm not sure about the OM -- maybe that was caused by the epidural needle being contaminated when the ER doc was trying to wave me off. maybe not. it can't result from chronic UTI and the kidney pain seems to comport with that. however, the fever seems to point to sepsis which points right back to a dirty needle. the DVTs are associated with OM, so there's no lingering mystery there. the pancreatitis was from the ERCP.

the thing to remember tho, is THAT NO ONE EVER OFFERED ANY EXPLANATION. my ortho diagnosed me with discitis after the bone infection cleared, but explained it to me wrong -- saying the discitis was the result of a natural fusing process in my spine. that the discs were degenerating and eventually i'd have none and my spine would fuse.

i have a diagnosis of fibro right now, and i'm happy that someone has recognized my pain and that i'm getting treatment without having to go thru the pain clinic bullshit. but i really think it's more than fibro. i think it's autoimmune. my aunt was diagnosed with lupus. my grandmother had degenerative disc disease. seems like all the women have long histories of WEIRD complaints, and now i've got it too.

phew... that's the highlights. :)
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 03:57 PM
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13. You say you got a fibro dx
have they ever tested you for lupus?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 04:20 PM
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14. yeah, and i had the blood factor once (when i was very sick)
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 04:37 PM by nashville_brook
but haven't shown it again since. i was referred to a rheumie because of the blood test, but he did more tests and decided "i didn't have any of his diseases" assuming the first test was a false positive. (on edit: i'm looking at my lupus book and i can't remember if it was the ANA or the LE-prep that was positive. i'm leaning toward ANA, but i need to get my medical records to be sure).

there's not supposed to be a genetic factor, but my aunt was diagnosed with lupus when she was in her 40s. it came and went. after a few years it "disappeared." but it had once been so bad that she was hospitalized and referred to vanderbilt.

so much of my symptomology mimics lupus that i'd pretty much decided that's what it must be. whatever it is ACTS like an inflammatory response.

on edit 2 -- i've never had the facial rash, but i've had non-itchy, non-painful rash on my back. i have it now and it always crops up right before my back goes whacky.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:04 PM
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15. You need Dr. House.
Seriously.

Find another rheumy. If you DO have fibro, that is in fact "one of his diseases". And lupus does have a genetic component. A very, very clear, studied, and documented one.

ANA tests can be flakey and many people go for years without a diagnosis. ANA's can come back normal in mid flare and elevated during times of no symptoms so you may have to do it several times. And there are a HOST of inflammatory related things they should be testing for. It's like a 2-page list of which the ANA is only one test.

Lupus does not "disappear" but some people can go long periods of time between flares. If it wasn't in any of her organs she might have just had a very mild form that only affected her joints.

You need a really good rheumatologist and you need one yesterday.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:44 PM
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16. thankfully i'm not in nashville anymore -- where my old rheumie was
the only reason i picked him in particular was b/c the wait to see other rheumies was months long. he was fresh out of school and didn't have quite as long of a wait. this was in 2002-3 and since that time i floundered with my primary docs until i moved to florida where at last i found a primary who actually took my complaints seriously. i feel like i won the lottery just getting her on my team. she gave me the fibro dx.

dag-gum on the lupus-genetic thing. i've told all my docs that there's lupus in the family and have been lectured on there not being a genetic link. sheesh. i'm going to go dig in my books some more and make a rheumie appt -- i actually got the name of one who is pretty well liked by his patients. i'll give him a try.

i think my aunt claiming it has "disappeared" might be a little denial. she questions now if lupus was really what was wrong.

i'm going to google, wiki and clusty on inflammatory diseases. i feel like i've done enough research to write a book, and yet, i can't keep track of it all. since i was dx'd with fibro earlier this year i was more than willing to put it all on the back burner for a while. i hoped to go into the new year champing at the bit to find a job, and here i am, flat on my back.

thank you for your input! i'm off to see the wiki.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:12 PM
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17. I have a great rheumy in Nashville!
My primary got me in with him even though I think there was a waiting list. Because I already had type 1 diabetes (30 years now) and was throwing up clear liquids (paralyzed gastrointestinal tract) everyone was a little hyper-vigilant.

My mother has fibro and when her docs heard about my lupus dx they tested her again because of the genetic link. I know a guy here whose mother and grandmother both died of lupus.

I really think it is harder for women at the doctor. You lodge your physical complaint and the first thing they say is, "Are you under a lot of stress?"

I once screamed, "YES! Because my ear hurts like hell and you've just registered a 10 decibel loss of hearing in it and your telling me there is nothing physically wrong with me!"

Of course, the lupus had eaten away half my disc in my jaw and tmj was destroying the joint.
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 12:51 PM
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18. Wow! Good thing you are so tenacious.
You have some symptoms that don’t quite click with fibro, but fibro is just a syndrome applied to a list of symptoms, no cure, no real known/proven cause.
i had migraines since i was 17. all the women in the family had migraines, so i didn't think too much of it, except that it would be something i'd deal with thru menopause.
How long has your family lived in Tennessee? So lupus isn’t genetic; but what about estrogen dominance?

Do you know what estrogen dominance is and that organophosphate pesticides have been used in tobacco farming for many years and were only banned in 2000 because of problems found in children? Probably the only reason we have defined fibro is because of gulf war syndrome and that sarin gas is an organophosphate? Google estrogen dominance, read the symptoms.

Estrogen softens collagen so the child can pass through the cervix, collagen is our connective tissue, your vertebral discs are strengthened (or in this case not) by collagen. Alcohol is metabolized along the same pathway as estrogen and other hormones/steroids, possibly a reason your liver was overwhelmed. There is more, this is going to take some time, but worth it.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 03:00 PM
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19. wow! on environmental factors... i usually don't mention this because
Edited on Wed Jan-03-07 03:02 PM by nashville_brook
it's really looked down upon.

i lived in Leesburg Florida (orange grove country) until i was 10 when we moved to Satellite Beach, right next to Patrick Air Force Base. When I say "right next to" I mean RIGHT UNDER the FLIGHT pattern. I was the last residential street before the base-proper. For years there had been rumors that the fuel dumped from the planes was affecting the health of people in my neighborhood. As a matter of fact, when I was selling the house (the one I was working on when I got sick), I had a contract fall thru BECAUSE of the rumored contamination. It was a young couple who were starting a family and they said they didn't want to risk the environmental hazaard.

My best friend who lived across the street nearly died of ovarian cancer. A school chum up the street the other way had a nsty breast cancer in her 20s, and there's LOTs more anecdotal health problems in age groups that weren't my peers. The neighborhood was built in 1959-60. We moved in in 1975 -- there's lots of families who have been there who bought houses when they were first built. Seems like the kids are the ones who developed issues.

Secondly, my next few years were spent in Upper East Tennessee in Kingsport, home of Eastman Kodak and Holston Army Ammunition. Kingsport is a giant chemical town. My aunt who had had trouble spent 30 years there before moving upon retirement (about the time her problems passed). My uncle has the same leukemia that Ed Bradley died of. Seems like every Eastman family has someone with a weird cancer. I spent the next 20 years up the road in Johnson City where I was a raft guide on the Nolichucky (among other things) and pointed out Bumpass Cove on every trip (it's a notorious superfund site). Also, the mountains up there are home to Nuclear Fuel Services, and Aerojet Ordinance which makes DU ammunition. When I got sick I had just lost a friend to pancreatic cancer and nearly lost another to Hodgkins disease.

It's well-known that Eastman Kodak and other industrial/chemical companies in the mountains used the rural setting to hide their illegal dumping of hazaardous waste -- Bumpuss Cove is only one example. There's a whole subdivision in Greenville built on an old waste site -- lots of birth defects. You don't hear about this stuff because it's hillbilly country. It was something I was interested in as a young rabble rouser.

Estrogen Dominance is not something I've heard of, but seems to jibe with the hormone difficulty I've had regarding the headaches. Again, I'm off to read -- :) -- thank you so much for the suggestions. I've made an appointment with my primary in order to get a referral to a rheumie. This discussion (and the fact that I can't move right now) has lit a fire under my butt. :hug:
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:21 AM
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20. You are already onto this stuff.
Petro-chemicals, as you probably have discovered already, are culpable in the problems associated with estrogen dominance as well. A caveat, western medicines MDs are not going to set themselves up by telling a patient about pollutants and estrogen dominance, steps on too many toes. Tests have not been made public, you won’t see this overtly displayed on the cover of Newsweek. However, the growing market for organic produce and hormone free meat is testament enough that there is a problem.

As you research you will see sites selling their brand of natural progesterone, filter through the info they offer, but don’t buy. Diet and some supplements can help, but shouldn’t cost so much.
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