After what I witnessed tonightq

[WolverineDG]

not only at my precinct convention but at 2 others, if Hillary somehow steals the nomination, I will not vote for her. I will not block walk for her, I will not send her money, I won't do shit for her. I may not even vote.

For those of you who still support Hillary, please seriously have a sit down with yourself & ask if you can truly still support someone who uses racism, lies, and thievery to get what she wants. I saw all of those things happening for the past few weeks & in spades tonight. I don't see how you can call yourself a moral person & still vote for this person.

dg

[Botany]

1. When you get a chance tell us what happened

Ohio still makes no sense to me

Hillary got 61% in part of Cuyahoga County

[Berry Cool]

2. Yes, please, Wolfie, tell. Tell everyone.

Not just us.

I have always told myself I'd vote for Hillary no matter what if I had to because anything would be better than a Repug. Now I'm no longer so sure.

And I don't think I am going to be able to handle all the Monday-morning quarterbacking the next couple of days from the media and GD-P. Not only the crowing of the Hillary supporters, but all the assumptions/accusations/blame being thrown about at Ohioans.

I am hearing about how we voted for Hillary because we are brilliant and are to be thanked (what does that make me?), or we voted for her because we are stupid and easily cowed by fearmongering, racist appeals, and everyone else in the country is sick of us and our disgusting prejudices and fears deciding every damn election.

I can't take it. Not right now.

[WolverineDG]

3. As I've told everyone I've talked to last night

If you still support Hillary after the bullshit tactics she used the past few weeks (including using the Spanish media to spread racist comments about Barack), you my friend need to have a long conversation with yourself about your morals.

I cannot morally vote for this person. To me, she is a Republican. She insisted that Barack "denounce & reject" Louis Farrakahn, but allowed her surrogates here (Richard KKK Raymond) on stage with Bill Clinton in his appearances here without "denouncing and rejecting" his racist remarks in a Spanish-language newspaper.

Fuck her.

dg

[WolverineDG]

4. She stole it

since she's using Karl's playbook, is it any surprise?

Here's the link to my post from last night:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=180&topic_id=49833&mesg_id=49910

(oh fuck you kathy from columbus--on the radio right now; and mooks, I don't give a shit about the supreme court; let folks stew in shit for 4 more years if that's what it takes to make them wake the fuck up)


dg

[bunny planet]

7. Wow, that description of your precinct reminds me of the videos Keith always

shows of the Korean Parliament throwing chairs at each other and trying to punch each other out. Sounds raucous and discouraging stuff going on.
Yikes.

[gkhouston]

5. That's my feeling, too. I realize that it's a long time until November

and that Clinton should be "better" than having McCain in office, but when I see the campaign tactics that have been used in recent weeks, I'm not seeing that much daylight between the two of them.

I will say that the turnout for the precinct conventions was stunning -- where I was, they had two normally low turnout precincts caucusing together in one elementary school auditorium and it was chaos. The turnout for my precinct is normally in the single digits and we had almost 20 times that. There were still 40 people in our precinct 2-1/2 hours later at the end of resolutions.

[bunny planet]

6. Just heard Jonathan Alter say she can't possibly win enough delegates for

the nomination. She will have to try and cheat, although I think some shenanigi have already taken place ( in NY State, tons of districts without any votes at all for Obama, say what?) I agree with you Wolvie, I am so disgusted, I don't think I could hold my nose long enough to vote for this woman. She has gone from someone I begrudgingly admired to a disgrace and a disappointment before my eyes in the last couple of weeks. McCain should put her on his ticket, she is a Republican and they deserve each other.

Unfortunately, now Obama will probably begin to go negative against her instead of going after McCain which is what he should be doing at this point. Please let this stop.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

And while we are all watching this trainwreck of a primary season unfold, the Dems in the house are about to cave on the telecom immunity bill.
I just can't take much more of this.

[Botany]

8. Hillary didn't just gain in NYC

New Hampshire ..... Diebold Machines
L.A. California .... ballots designed by deibold caused thousands
of voters not to have their vote counted
In New Mexico & Louisiana cases of vote flipping have been
noted (I was told about this by an election lawyer here in OH)
Ohio and Texas cases of republicans crossing over to vote
for Hillary.

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I would vote for Hillary if she wins but that is it. That no good
shit (Clinton) was on Fox news today thanking Karl Rove for
telling her that signs were looking good for her. My level of disgust
for what she and her campaign have done is huge.

btw did I ever tell you that you are my fav?

[gkhouston]

9. Well, last night he was choosing to go after McCain more that her

and I hope he sticks with that. I'd rather he went strong (respond assertively to negative attacks) that start a smear-fest of his own. I think he might be able to make it work if he calls her for what she is -- someone who isn't likely to overtake him and has become increasingly desperate and is resorting to anything she can think of to get votes.