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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 01:44 AM
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Lincoln's grand-father was killed by Native Americans in 1786
but yet he still freed the slaves

http://www.historyplace.com/lincoln/
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 01:57 PM
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1. ironic
but i'm still not sure i get the connection...
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 08:27 PM
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2. For every benefit, a tax is levied.
maybe I should shut up about how great I think Mr. Lincoln was
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:20 AM
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3. i like lincoln too
but what great benefit did he do for NA's? except surround himself with indian haters...
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:27 PM
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4. Lincoln was a butcher
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 05:35 PM by Lowell
he ordered the largest mass hanging of Native Americans in history. He did relent and spare some, but he was a villan in many people's eyes. Check out the hangings in Mankato, Minnesota. He was also the first Republican president. Perhaps this is why Native Americans are predominately Democrat. They have long memories.

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http://www.maquah.net/Historical/1863/1862-Execution_of_Dakota_people.html
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:03 PM
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5. the Mankato hangings
Lincoln did not order the hangings. A military court ordered 144 Native Americans hung. Lincoln pardoned 106 of the 144, and let the remaining 38 hang.
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:38 AM
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6. he could have stopped it...
passing the moral buck is no exscuse...no indians had legal counsel...just a mass lynching really...
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:25 PM
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7. Mankato
It is true that he could have stopped it.
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cleanheart.396 Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:38 PM
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8. Abraham Lincoln
You might want to read WEB Dubois's "Black Reconstruction." Abraham Lincoln found it difficult to conceive of the Black race as equal or free. He finally freed the slaves because without them the Civil War could not be won by the North. At the time, there was no legal Draft Law, and northern workers were refusing to fight because they saw the freed slaves as competitors for their jobs. At the time, escaped slaves were already raising food for army camps on the border states, like Virginia, etc. Unlike white workers the slaves had a definite stake in fighting in the Civil War. Lincoln's drafting of the Declaration which freed the slaves happened because slaves could, and would, and did, fight. Lincoln did not free them, they freed themselves, because without them, the Civil War would not have been won, and Lincoln knew this.

The war was about the expansion of northern industrialism, as opposed to the expansion of slavery into the west which the immigrant "Land-Grabbers" certainly did not want. With the exception of the abolitionists around the country, neither side, north, or south cared much about the plight of the slaves. Like all wars,the Civil War, at its heart, was about profit; the slave issue erupted because their freedom or continued bondage had a lot to do with how much profit could be made, and what kind (agrarian or capitalist)it was going to be.

And as far as who killed Lincoln's grandfather not having a so-called bearing on Lincoln's freeing of the slaves, it just shouldn't have. Lincoln should have been glad, as should all voluntary "immigrants" and their families, descendants, etc., who came to America and literally "took over" that Blacks and Native Americans, right now, today, are still not moved to pick them off one by one, and that as long as we're not doing that they should consider themselves blessed.



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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:30 AM
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9. this is a funny post
i think i'm not quite sure what you are saying in the last paragraph...
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