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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 09:09 PM
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I am still on the fence on the Schiavo issue but I was glad
she got communion.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 09:32 PM
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1. So was I.
What a mess...
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 09:58 PM
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4. Michael Schiavo really made himself look like a total ass
by trying to deny it.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 09:37 PM
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2. I'm glad she got communion, too.
It is important for her and her family to share in the body of Christ.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 09:59 PM
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5. Yeah very, so I naturally was happy to see it done
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 10:12 PM
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8. What she needs now is the Bread of the Angels
and to be laid to rest. Poor woman...
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 09:51 PM
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3. At least you're on the fence, rather than

clamoring for Terri to hurry up and die as so many at DU are doing. :cry:

I am glad she was finally given Holy Communion, but appalled at the Nazi sentiment taking hold in this country, the sentiment to kill those who are "unfit" to live.

Have you ever thought about the fact that the only reason Michael Schiavo could get the courts to order his wife killed is because she is disabled -- no judge would allow a man to starve and dehydrate his wife to death if the wife was healthy, right? And Terri is disabled, not terminally ill (She's probably near death now, but that's entirely the result of depriving her of food and water.)

Therefore, she's being treated differently because she's disabled, which violates the Americans with Disabilities Act stating that the disabled are entitled to equal treatment. This is why Sen. Tom Harkin supports Terri's right to live; Harkin has always understood and supported disability rights.

If only more Democrats did.



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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 10:01 PM
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6. Yeah my grandmother was saying today at easter dinner
about how Harkin has a disabled brother or something and thats why he didnt object. I am still on the fence on this whole issue, the family really didnt make me feel comfortable with them when they chose Randall Terry as their spokesman but how Michael Schiavo acts isn't so great either.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 12:44 AM
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10. It's not the parents or the husband who's important, it's Terri herself

who should be considered.

Terri wasn't suffering before the feeding tube was removed. Terri wasn't terminally ill or in danger of dying. The removal of the feeding tube has caused her to suffer -- I read yesterday that they have had to begin administering morphine to ease the pain she's now suffering.

This is euthanasia being applied to a disabled person, just as euthanasia was used as a final solution for 70,000 disabled persons in Nazi Germany.

The difference is they're calling it "death with dignity" to make it more palatable. And, after three decades of legalized abortion, people are swallowing it without complaint. Pope Pius XI predicted all this back in the 1930s, when the Episcopal Church gave formal approval to contraception. Pius XI said that if contraception became widely accepted, society would be setting out down a slippery slope that would lead to the acceptance of abortion and then of euthanasia.

When I first read what Pius XI said, abortion had already been legal for years but I was sure he was wrong about euthanasia, that that would be different.

It's looking like he was entirely right.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 12:51 AM
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11. That too, sorry
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 10:10 AM
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12. Terri is not 'disabled'. She is in a PVS.
Her cerebral cortex is gone. She expressed her wishes to her husband about not wanting to live the way she has been forced to live.

The feeding tube was inserted because there was a desperate attempt by her husband and family to 'get her better'. It didn't work.

The tube is being removed because Michael Schiavo has decided to honor his wife's request. She is not being euthanized.

Those of us who are placing our own opinion or the opinion of the Church into the situation are wrong to do so.

She did not want to live that way. Her husband was emphatic about that. Her parents knew nothing about that because that is not the type of conversation one has with a parent once one is married.

Let her go. It is way past time.
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SeanQuinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 10:08 PM
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7. For someone who supports her right-to-die, I was also glad.
Edited on Sun Mar-27-05 10:09 PM by SeanQuinn
Since I think she wanted to die, I support Michael. Even though he can be a fool like he was earlier this weekend, I think he is carrying out Terri's wishes. Even though I am in no way wanting her to "hurry up and die", I believe it was her wishes to die.

But still, the holy Eucharist is uber-important and quite a sacred rite and that's coming from someone who has a sister receiving her first holy Communion this May.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 10:45 PM
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9. Likewise...
After all, there's a longstanding tradition of giving Communion to a dying person as "viatecum" -- "food for the journey." It would have been unconscionable to deny it.

Up until now, I've supported Michael Schiavo in trying to implement what he sincerely believed were his wife's last wishes, but I found his actions in trying to block this were reprehensible.

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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:07 AM
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13. I think there's such bad blood between the two families
that he's likely to deny anything her parents would suggest. S'pose he's justified in some respects -- they've been calling him a murderer, a wife abuser, for years.

Someone on another thread referred to them as the Hatfields and McCoys. I agree. What a mess this whole thing has turned out to be.
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