Now I'm getting swiftboated.

[_dynamicdems]

This post was left in response to a blob post I made on the Young Turks site:

"If I google for Dynamic Dems, I can probably find all mannner of disinformation that you've spread around the web. I'm thinking about gathering together a few indisputable facts, so I can go out on a debunking mission.

Think of it as a small scale Swift Boat operation. By the way, I'm very proud to report that I contributed a heck of a lot of money to the SBVFT in 2004. They had to have cost Kerry more than 300,000 votes in Ohio....dontcha think?"

If anyone wants to help out, here's the link: http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2006/6/13/202050/936#19

[karynnj]

1. This is an honor and shows you are suceeding

in spreading convincing true information. If you were not convincing he wouldn't bother. If Kerry continues to gain strength this will continue. It's interesting that a prominant supporter would be attacked like this.

You can see that the Republicans fear an upsurgance of support for Kerry. If they didn't the Kerry smears would have declined since he lost. Consider the fact that DICK Cheney himself feels it is necessary to lie about Kerry's positions even though they are in the public record. Kerry knew when he opted to keep fighting and especially when he chose to publicly say what he did on Iraq, that he would be blasted. (Just like he likely knew when he pursued the contras and BCCI.)

Because 2008 looks like an opportunity for Democrats, unfortunately there will also be attempts by opponents of lesser character (Biden) to use the underlying smears. You would think that the Democrats would see the pattern. When Durbin (or Murtha or Kerry) are attacked 100s of times beyond the reasonable level that would be expected given what they said or did, the lasting message is that Democrats did something wrong. (This while it's the Repbulicans who have broken every ethical standard and even the law.) When the Democrats don't protect each other and worse when they seemingly agree, this hurts the whole party.

Look at the Spector thing - no one who saw the debates could think Kerry, vacuous. As to speaking, Kerry transfixed the nation as a 27 year old, as few high school orators do. That this comes after several highly acclaimed Kerry speeches, like the Faneuil one we both saw, is strange. I saw a huge number of very engaged people and dozens of standing ovations. Where are Spector's great speeches? Does he get these types of standing ovations? As to backbone - it's Spector who has repeatedly given in in the last 5 years to what he even said was wrong. The real question is why he, or his controller, chose easily repudiated comments.

I just created an account and when activated and after breakfast, I 'll respond. The Kerry comment he used is from April 2004 - the situation changed, Kerry's position reflects that - though Kerry's positions have over all been consistent - he has sad for 3 years that Bush's policy has no real diplomatic piece and that it is not working - now, theyare in Civil war - Kerry was right - Bush's policy (or Non-policy) has failed. Also, Kerry is not cutting and running.

[_dynamicdems]

5. I've complained to Young Turks about his threatening behavior and I'm

waiting for a reply before I get into it with him. Even if he goes after all my DD blogs and posts he doesn't know any of my other names or blogs, so to hell with him. It was freaky though to have a RW nutball threaten to Swiftboat me. Damn, I'm a private citizen and I've a right to my opinions. They haven't changed the country that much yet.

You're right, John Kerry is obviously still perceived as a threat to the RW or they would be ignoring him.

Spector burns me. I'd like to pop that weasel right in the nose. I seriously think I could take him in a fair fight. :rofl: Okay, I shouldn't talk about beating up on old men, but I did say fair fight.

[globalvillage]

2. Does this help?

Your friend from TX is citing Lipscomb, and for me that discredits him without reading any further.

Ken TX writes:

"This article from a highly respected journalist completely dismantles the character of John Kerry."

If you look at the end of the Lipscomb article that Ken TX cites, you'll find this:

"Thomas Lipscomb is an independent investigative reporter who was nominated for a Pulitzer for his reporting on Kerry during the 2004 elections."

Do you know what it takes to be "nominated" for a Pulitzer? According to pulitzer.org,

"Entries for journalism awards may be submitted by any individual from material appearing in a United States newspaper published daily, Sunday, or at least once a week during the calendar year."

But to be a Pulitzer "nominee",

"The three finalists in each category are the only entries in the competition that are recognized by the Pulitzer office as nominees."

Lipscomb is not a Pulitzer nominee. If you search pulitzer.org for "Lipscomb", there's this.

Sorry - we didn't find anything matching your term(s).
Please try again.

Lipscomb is a fake and a poseur and NOT a Pulitzer nominee. Anyone who cites him is reaching, and not to be taken seriously.

http://www.pulitzer.org/index.html

I don't have an account at TYT, or I'd help you out. You might want to use the above, though.

[_dynamicdems]

3. Right now I can't go head-to-head with him until I hear

back from Young Turks. I think he crossed a line in making an obvious threat and I'm hoping they will pull his account. But yeah, the Lipscomb thing is just one of the many holes in his logic. You should read his profile!

The big bucks he gave the the swifties, btw: $25. (I looked it up.)

[ProSense]

4. Yup!

Right-wing nut job. Liars being cited by liars!

[karynnj]

15. I saw no one had posted this - so I stold it and did so

[karynnj]

6. Posted

What an idiot!

Here's what I posted:
"I sure hope I'm never behind you when driving (none / 0)
From your argument, once you make a choice, nothing that happens in the next two years will change it. So, I guess if you stop at a red light, you will never continue.

In addition to the fact that much has changed since April 2004 when Kerry made that statement and now, there are two major problems.

1) Kerry's plan is not cutting and running - it is demanding that Bush change a plan that is not working. Kerry is suggesting a major diplomatic effort that could help the Iraqis find a workable political solution. The country is now in civil war, our troops are in the middle of it. What can an outside military force do. Kerry has also pointed out that the pentagon, if it is telling the truth, says that there are over 260,000 Iraqis trained out of the (around 275,000) goal. Bush himself said for months that we will stand down when the Iraqis can stand up. With these numbers we should be near that.

Kerry is also NOT speaking about ignoring the War on Terror. Kerry spoke about the need for an international effort to defeat globalized crime and terrorism in the mid 1990s - when no one else was interested. (Kerry's book, The New War, was published in 1997) In contrast, the Rice speech that was intended for Sept 11, 2001 on national security was primarily on reviving the Star Wars missle dense system. They cut the budget on fighting terrorism. Even in this plan, there would be an over the horizon force that could deal with terrorist based on solid information. (Like getting Zakarwi - this month).

2) Kerry's plan in 2004 looks better in retrospect than it did in 2004. At that time, the Bush/Cheney people argued that it was what Bush was doing - which is clear now was a lie. Among other things, Kerry said:

-Announce that we want no permanent bases (said in the debates and also was a major point in Kerry's Oct 2005 plan). This will help us convince the Iraqis that we are not occupiers. (Bush and Rice have danced around this issue - even when questioned in Congress.)

-Train Iraqis as soon as possible. After he lost, when Kerry traveled to the ME and Europe for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he was told by 4 countries (France, Germany, Eqypt and Jordan) that they would rapidly train Iraqi soldiers outside Iraq. This could have led to a full trained army in a short time. Kerry also found, as other Senators had, that very few soldiers were trained in the entire period from mid 2003 - January 2005. Now, 3 years later, there are almost enough soldiers.

- Convene a summit with all Iraqi factions, all the neighbors, and international organizations and us to work out a political solution. The neighbors, as much as we, have a vested interest in a stable Iraq.

-Push the Iraqis to chose a government.

There now is an Iraqi government, with an army. The Iraqi people in several polls have indicated they want us out. Several Generals have said that our presence is itself fueling the insurgency. By some accounts, the Iraqi PM himself wants us to set a time line for leaving.

I agree with Kerry that it is not right to ask soldiers to die for a failed policy to allow politicians to save face. Bush suggests his succesor will have to find a solution and get the troops out - he clearly is not working on it himself.

So, you can pat yourself on the back for sending money to people willing to lie to tarnish the reputation of Presidential candidate. Did it ever occur to you that the reason they chose to fight John Kerry with lies and smears was because they couldn't win fighting above board arguing policies and politics? I am a liberal Democrat who in 2000 was horrified by the slime tactics used against John McCain, a candidate I am unlikely to ever be for. That behavior makes the US an uglier, meaner place to be and I hate that some people on our side suggest that we need to get in the gutter too. Is this the behavior you would want your children to emmulate?

[_dynamicdems]

7. Awesome! That's a great post!

Thanks so much!

I LOVE this: "So, you can pat yourself on the back for sending money to people willing to lie to tarnish the reputation of Presidential candidate. Did it ever occur to you that the reason they chose to fight John Kerry with lies and smears was because they couldn't win fighting above board arguing policies and politics?"

:yourock:

[karynnj]

9. Yours is so much better

Thats a great Kerry interview. It's a shame that the media never chose honor over lies.

[globalvillage]

8. Great post, karyn. n/t.

[fedupinBushcountry]

10. Slimeball is back

Did you ever get an answer from YoungTurks? Him and his other slimeballs are not happy enough slandering Kerry but they are bashing his daughters too.

I doubt very much he or they ever served, they are more the Limbaugh slime talk liars.

Just registered so will be over there shortly.



:kick:

[_dynamicdems]

11. No, I never did get an answer. RW Assholes.

edit: The trolls, are the assholes, not the YTs.

Thanks...help appreciates. I just saw the crap.

[globalvillage]

12. DD, I had no idea you and karyn were the same person!

Very cunning! You sure had me fooled.

:sarcasm:

[_dynamicdems]

13. Neither did I! I just heard back from the Young Turks.

DynamicDem,

I received your email about KenTX threatening to "Swift Boat" you.

We try to have as little policy as possible is our posting forum. I don't
think it's time to do anything about this. What he said there doesn't
really seem to be a threat of concern, in my view. Let's keep an eye on
him and see how it goes. Meanwhile, I would recommend that you continue to
post away and not worry about it yet. KenTX has been around a long time,
he bothers a lot of people, but he has never crossed the line.

Meanwhile, I enjoyed that thread. Good posts. Keep it up.

David Koller
Producer, The Young Turks
323-866-8200

Some help he was.

[fedupinBushcountry]

14. Geez

So I guess even slimeballs get a second chance. What the hell do they consider crossing the line. :banghead:

I posted but for some reason I am having difficulty in the editing part it does not post the way I have put it down.

[_dynamicdems]

17. I wrote back and said that personal attacks aren't allowed on any

boards I've ever posted on.

This is posted just before you submit a post:

"Site administrators reserve the right to delete any comments deemed inappropriate -- including, but not limited to: spam, trolls, threats, etc. In addition, further action may be taken as is necessary."

Who can figure? I also told him that harassment is illegal.

I saw your post. I'm not sure what happened. The formatting is a little odd...and I fought with it a bit at first.

[nolies32fouettes]

25. what exactly is that site?

[karynnj]

16. What was even more amazing

is that DD and I even met in Boston and managed to sit across the table from each other. Also, if we're the same person I would NEVER appear with mousey brown hair when I could have gorgeous long red hair -which is what I really wanted in high school.

Editted to say I responded - though obviously not with any personal info other than I'm from NJ.

[globalvillage]

18. She/you does have great hair.

How you managed to sit across from yourself is pretty amazing. You should take that act to Vegas, you could make a mint.
I'm a little disappointed that Mr TX hasn't bothered to attack me yet. Maybe I should post something else.

:-)

[_dynamicdems]

19. LOL! We must have magical powers to be able to make people think

there are really two of us. Mass(or just Boston) hypnosis?

Know, what's funny: I wanted brown hair in high school! Oh no, we ARE the person...mirror images.

There are other posters defending Kerry, are they us too? I'm starting to feel like Sybil!

:rofl:

[globalvillage]

20. Sybil was an awesome book/flick.

I'm probably you guys, too. How many personalities did Sybil have? I think we need at least a dozen more to join us.
She had some male personalities, so Liberal Jim can be us, too!!!

[_dynamicdems]

21. You're us too! Oh dear. Will this cost us more buying a round or less?

I'm just getting silly now.

Ah well...I just made a very nasty post that's going to make the redneck go nuts. Sunday Bloody Sunday.

:o

[globalvillage]

22. That was a great post. n/t.

[karynnj]

24. I liked the one with the great Kerry photo and quotes

I think the redneck likely went back to Texas.

[karynnj]

23. Sybil was a really good book

He did tell us to go back to Boston.

[_dynamicdems]

26. Now the nerdy little geek is taking posts of mine from here and

posting them on the Young Turks site. I rather like the one he posted, but he's too stupid to realize that.

He's made another really nasty post about Senator Kerry. I can't believe I thought this toad was a mature adult.

In any case, I'm really getting annoyed at the lack of professionalism at the Young Turks. DU doesn't allow RW garbage or personal attacks. I didn't realize how rare that was.

Thanks everyone for helping out.

[globalvillage]

27. You know, I would reply

But it's like having a battle of wits with the unarmed. We post facts, Kerry's vets legislation, Lipscomb's resume padding, etc., and they post that they hate John Kerry and will be mean to him (and you).

I thought it was really funny when TX posted your "Gore bashing" piece. Some quotes from your hate-piece:

"I loved Al Gore and still do."
"...he's someone I admire greatly."
"I truly think of Al Gore as a great American."

DD, you should be ashamed for trashing the man that way.

I think it's really obvious to anyone reading that they're just disrupters with nothing but a whole lot of anger and no good reason for it.

[_dynamicdems]

28. I had to smile at that. If that's the best he can do, then I haven't been

bad enough!

I'm replying to another poster, but I won't reply to the idiot.

[fedupinBushcountry]

29. Question?

How do you rate a post? I want to rate the Kerrycrats and Liberal Jim.

[_dynamicdems]

37. I think you have to get either enough posts behind you or enough

ratings yourself. I couldn't rate at first but then one day I could.

[karynnj]

30. He really is nasty

What is strange is the level of vindictiveness. That he could exault in the pain of loss rather than enjoy the victory of his own side is telling. I assure you I wouldn't have looked for free republic or a similar site on Nov 3 if Bush was out - I would simply be enjoying the coverage of the winners - and I suspect that is what all of us would do.

I frankly couldn't post at those sides for the same reason I can't buy the National Enquirer or others like it, it's just too disgusting.

[ProSense]

31. Speaking of the liars,

has anyone noticed how many attempts have been made to post that crazy story on immigration (in various forms) by Corsi and wingnuts quoting him?

[globalvillage]

33. I saw it.

What's up with that? I didn't hang around to try to figure it out.

[ProSense]

34. Whipping up

a fear and using Bush as the bait.

[globalvillage]

32. Wow. That guy is a nutcase.

We're trolls? Doesn't he know that TYT is a progressive site?
I think he's wandered off FR and just hasn't figured it out yet.

[karynnj]

35. He is a nutcase

He's made a second post that Kerry's great grandfather's name was Kahn. The tone suggests anti-semitism to me. He also posts a Stragegic Visions survey with Kerry at 5%. Feingold is 31 - I'm pretty sure that this is the study posted here where they surveyed 7 states - including WI. That is what I remember the WI Fiengold number is.

He also accused us of being a group of Kerry activists who operat out of a house in Quincy, MA. I'm not even sure where Quincy is - and unless we went through it when we were lost - I've never been there. (In fact the only time I remember hearing of it is that I think that's where the high school student got to "follow" Kerry for a day.) He has an imagination.

[globalvillage]

36. What cracks me up

it that he thinks he's 'exposed' us as Kerry supporters. As if any of us has claimed otherwise. I just don't know who he believes he's 'outed' us to, a bunch of liberals on a progressive website?
I won't answer him. He's obviously disturbed. And he hasn't responded to any facts that have been posted, or answered any of our questions. It's almost as if he's talking to himself.

[karynnj]

38. I'm not going to

At this point, it is obvious to anyone reading what he is - and us we're Kerry activists. There are far worse things to be. I think it may be exactly what we want to be - even with no house in Quincy!