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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:56 AM
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Indictments come down for Ohio Recount in 2004 (OMFG!)
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 07:59 AM by TayTay
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Prosecutor says county fudged recount %%head%%Recount was fudged, prosecutor says
Prosecutor says Cuyahoga skirted rules

Thursday, April 06, 2006
Joan Mazzolini
Plain Dealer Reporter
After the 2004 presidential election, Cuyahoga County election workers secretly skirted rules designed to make sure all votes were counted correctly, a special prosecutor charges.

While there is no evidence of vote fraud, the prosecutor said their efforts were aimed at avoiding an expensive - and very public - hand recount of all votes cast. Three top county elections officials have been indicted, and Erie County Prosecutor Kevin Baxter says more indictments are possible.

Michael Vu, executive director of the Cuyahoga County elections board, said workers followed procedures that had been in place for 23 years. He said board employees had no objection to doing an exhaustive hand count if needed, meaning they had no motive to break the law.


More at:
Cleveland Plain Dealer Story
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:28 AM
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1. Wonder of wonders.
Are they going to be able to trace this all the way back to Blackwell? One can only hope...
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:38 AM
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2. It's a start.
Now, tell me again there was nothing done after the election. Somebody has been pushing this.

NOTE: Trail date in May for this!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 09:50 AM
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5. Blackwell? how about all the way back to KARL ROVE and GEORGE BUSH
because you know Blackwell was just following orders. . .someday the truth will come out.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:20 AM
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11. I've always said someday that Blackwell will be the one to "squeal"
...(particularly if he doesn't win his run for office)...which it looks like he won't.) Clearly that was the "bait" he was offered if he complied with the EF in '04.

Oh squeal like Libby...please!!
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:41 AM
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3. This says it all
avoiding an expensive - and very public - hand recount of all votes cast


Borrowing a phrase from TayTay "dirty bastids".
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:45 AM
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4. This is HUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow! Geez, it lays the groundwork that the county was so worried about those machine counts that it couldn't take a chance on a real recount and pre-counted the ballots so they would have 'perfect precincts' for the public recount.

OMFG!
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 12:31 PM
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7. And remember...
Kerry and legal team sent a letter outlining how the recount should be conducted (in advance) and how the pricincts should be randomly chosen:



>>>>>>>
December 10, 2004
Re: Presidential Recount

Dear Director and Deputy Director:

Enclosed please find a copy of a letter personally signed by John Kerry appointing me as his legal counsel with respect to the recount for President and Vice President of the United States, with full authority to act on behalf of him and John Edwards, including appointing witnesses to attend the recount. Also enclosed is a letter personally signed by John Kerry designating witnesses to attend the recount in your county.

On behalf of John Kerry and John Edwards I am making the following requests regarding the conduct of the recount:


1.The selection of precincts for the three percent hand count should be according to a scientifically valid random sampling method. I am aware that you have received a letter from Votewatch regarding this issue with an offer by that organization to provide resources to ensure that the sampling method is valid. We urge you to accept this offer of assistance or otherwise be able to demonstrate that the method employed by the Board to select the precincts for the three percent hand count is scientifically valid.

2. We request that each candidate be given the opportunity to select at least one precinct for a hand count, either as part of or in addition to the three percent hand count.

3.For those counties that use touch screen voting systems, we request that the three percent hand count include a hand count of three percent of the ballot images stored in the each of the redundant memories of the machines selected for the recount and on any paper trail for the machines.

4.We request that the Board provide the opportunity for candidates participating in the recount to have the programming and calibration of the tabulating system, scanners, and electronic voting machines verified by independent experts.

5.We request that the test used by the Board to verify the logic and accuracy of the computer tabulating program be performed for each precinct, including any separate absentee precinct. Further, the test should include testing for under and over voted ballots.

6.We request that computer printouts of the recount results include the under and over votes recorded in each precinct.

7.John Kerry and John Edwards hereby request to have their witnesses visually inspect all ballots for which your voting system has not recorded a vote for President and Vice President, i.e. the undervote and overvote ballots. If the Board does not agree to a visual inspection of these ballots, then we hereby request to visually inspect all ballots pursuant to R.C. § 3515.04 and OAG 74-103.

8.We request to inspect envelopes and related paperwork for all uncounted provisional and absentee ballots. This includes documents stating the reason or reasons that a ballot was not counted and the documentation to support the same.

9.In order to verify candidate rotation, we request to inspect the ballot page assemblies of all punch card voting devices and the ballot faces of all touch screen voting machines used at the polls or at the Board’s office.

10.For those counties where the names of Nader and Camejo were visible to voters on the ballots, ballot pages or faces of voting machines, i.e. where the names were not covered over with a sticker or blacked out or the ballots were not reprinted without their names, we request to know whether any votes were cast for Nader and Camejo for President and Vice President.

11.We request that absentee ballots which were postmarked by election day, November 2, 2004, and were received by the board no later than November 12, 2004, be counted if the voter did not vote at the polls.


The above requests are in addition to any other requests that may be made by our witnesses.

If you should have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.


Very truly yours,


cc: Daniel J. Hofheimer

Kerry-Edwards State Counsel, Ohio
Donald J. McTigue


>>>>>>>>Remember?? This is why I say he acts as "President Kerry".
:patriot:
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 12:33 PM
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8. Oh wow!
Thanks for posting that.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 12:58 PM
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9. Thanks for that reminder
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 02:36 PM
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10. Thank you...
...I was looking for that, just this morning. :D
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 10:52 AM
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6. Excellent!
This is the kind of stuff that get's me started, but this is good (for now) and I hope they round up all the bastards.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:13 PM
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12. Holy motherf__k.
Excuse my foul mouth, but... wow.

Never woulda thunk it. Dare I hope it's the beginning of more to come?

And is this related in any way to the court case that JK had (has?) people involved with?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 09:29 PM
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13. We don't know.
That news was posted somewhere else and I snagged it. It is, I think, just the beginning. Ohio is starting to unravel under the weight of Coingate and such. I think a lot more things are going to start oozing out about that election.

Ohio is trending blue now for the fall. I got my fingers crossed on it.
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