Hillary raising money now that can be used in 2008! Indirectly Kerry

[wisteria]

related.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060223/ap_on_el_se/ny_clinton_old_guard;_ylt=Ar9DwqB3STHkLZWjxSwtofmyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

"While the appeals are ostensibly for Clinton's re-election race this year, any money left over can be used to help finance a presidential run by her in 2008."


Well, it appears to me that she is raising funds now and using the senate race as an excuse, in actuality, she is doing early fund raising for 2008. This just makes me so mad, but there isn't a thing we can do about it except to not send her anything. In the last week, I have received a mailing from Begala and an e-mail from Carville both asking for money of course, but Carville's asks for a fixed monthly commitment. I intend to bring up her selfishness and lack of commitment to other 2006 candidates whenever I can. If money is the only thing that matters in winning elections, than we have become a sad nation indeed.

[ProSense]

1. Glad they're on her team.

Who is going to give Carville money? He's the ass who said the Democratic Party sucks.

[karynnj]

3. If she gives Begala and Carville control of her primary bid,

we may be in luck. They seemed wrong on their 2004 suggestions, which they loudly made even during the campaign. I credit Kerry with good judgement in not taking Carville at all and not giving Begala the role he wanted. Their egotism is as amazing as their snarkiness.

[FreedomAngel82]

7. Good for Kerry!

I think Kerry has a greater shot in 2008 if he runs again since Kerry is the more progressive liberal one than Clinton.

[ProSense]

11. Agree.

Carville and Begala were liabilities because when they should have been on the attack, they chose instead to play this fool role of meeting the Repubs half way on everything they said. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to kick the TV when one of them went into disconnect saying something like "what the Democrats need to do" or "the Democrats aren't doing enough of this or that." It was as if they were not Democrats and had no responsibility to do whatever the hell it is they were saying Democrats need to do. Which, in addition to being ridiculous, is why it's puzzling that the DCCC included Carville as a choice on its leaders' survey.

[FreedomAngel82]

6. Did he say that?

[karynnj]

2. I got an inherently dishonest letter from Bill Clinton

soliciting money for poor Hillary, because she's the number 1 Republican target and they want her out. Well, wouldn't their first step be to get a strong opponent. (Remember Hillary didn't lve in NY, so they COULD have found a Republican anywhere.)

I was furious because the Democrats will have a tough NJ race. Although this is a very blue state, the former Governor's son, Tom Kean Jr is the likely Republican opponent. Because he's a "jr" his name has way more name recognition in much of the state than our new Senator. Because Kean (who I know nothing of except his parentage) is a strong candidate, the Republicans are likely to pour money in. This is a very expensive state to run in because you need the NYC and Philadelphia media markets.

Bill should be soliciting for the NJ Democratic party. In reality, it's clear he cares nothing for anyone but himself.

Sandasea and others had some good comments on the thread started then. This will annoy local politicians struggling to get money. Whether this outweighs Bill's perceived popularity is anyone's guess.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=273x70627

[TayTay]

4. That is just rude and insensitive

I do think this sort of thing will come back to bite them in the arse next year.

Meanwhile, Al Franken talks about seeing John Kerry last night at a fundraiser for the House DFL Caucus in Minnesota (St. Paul, I think) last night. That money stays in Minnesota. Kerry's PAC colicitations this year have all been for others and he has spread the 'funding' love around.

I think this will be noticed. Remember, it's still early.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. I think so too and also with Kerry

is whenever anyone asks him about 2008 he doesn't talk about it but talks about other canidates. I love how he's still popular with democrats. :)

[karynnj]

9. That and the whole organizational part of KAP

I can't remember in what interview (Stephanopolis?) it was, but Kerry spoke of working as hard as anyone for 2006 and then spoke of that as the important thing. I agree with you that people have to notice at some point that he has been very helpful everywhere, even though the supposed (unelected) leaders of the party (From) have treated him poorly.

It also is noticable that I have never heard him trash anyone else in the party - even when given the platform to do so. This is a level of maturity and just good manners that seems rare currently.

Also, money can't sell a bad product. (Kerry had less money than either Dean or Edwards at the beginning of the primaries.)

[wisteria]

10. All the letters and e-mails soliciting money have the same theme,

poor Hillary, the Republicans are after her. She is their #1 target. They will not stop until they defeat her. Somehow, I doubt they are trying real hard to take her out in 2006. They are more likely to put their money where it will do more good.

I go back and forth trying to decide if I want to be taken off her mailing list and data base. If they ever try to use the term "swiftboating" and Hillary in the same sentence, I will just lose it and that will make my decision for me. The only reason I supported her was at John Kerry's request. I will have to turn him down if he asks again on her behalf, and you know, I really hate to turn down his requests.

[FreedomAngel82]

5. It could be that

they're going to use the money first for the senate and than for her campaign.

[karynnj]

12. Technically yes, but in reality they are collecting

far more than is remotely likely to be necessary and they have been soliciting all over the country. She apparently has Bill's list, because my husband and I have BOTH gotten letters even though neither of us have ever contributed to her.

[whometense]

13. I wonder how much they're getting

from these solicitations.

I must say, this post made me smile a little - my mailbox and email box are stuffed with begging messages. At least this is one I can delete/recycle without the minutest pang of guilt! :D

[wisteria]

15. It has been a very agreesive fund-raising campaign.

Within the last two weeks I and my husband have received two letters and e-mails apiece. We were even sent bumper stickers saying reelect Hillary. Now come on, what a waist of money, I don't even live in NY.

[wisteria]

14. No doubt, but she faces an easy reelection. She won't need

much money to run on in 2006, no matter what the fund raising letters say. She has no popular Republican opponent running against her and it appears the Republican party isn't enthusiastically fund raising on his behalf. I am so sure she will be reelected with little opposition, that I would bet my house on it.

[karynnj]

16. They also in some articles have lower expectations

They have talked about the Republicans hitting hard to keep her from getting 65 % or more of the vote. This race is equivalent to Obama's in 2004 or Kerry's in 2002 (where he had libertarian and LW opponents - and got 81%)

[whometense]

17. While Hillary's under discussion,

look what I just found in Salon. http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/index.html?blog=/mwt/broadsheet/2006/02/23/clinton/index.html

Earlier this week, the New York Observer's political blog published a leaked memo in which possible 2008 presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is slammed by the executive director of the Empire State Pride Agenda, a gay rights group. In the memo, ESPA director Alan Van Capelle laments Clinton's continued opposition to same-sex marriage, calls her political career a "complete disappointment" and, as PlanetOut writes, raises "the prospect that some in the LGBT community may stop supporting her."

According to PlanetOut, as first lady, Clinton "supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a law preventing the federal recognition of same-sex marriage." For the record, the senator opposes gay marriage but supports civil unions between members of the same sex. Still, though others in LGBT politics have quickly come to her defense, Van Capelle's remarks shed light on some of the challenges Clinton will be up against should she make a bid (when she makes a bid?) for president.

Over the past few years, many have watched Clinton depart from some of her liberal stances, such as on abortion and on the war in Iraq, in what seems to be an effort to appeal to a more mainstream base. And of course, no one can please all the people all the time. But with the 2008 election edging ever closer, Clinton's campaign may need to take a closer look at whom it is pushing away.

Here's the link to the NY Observer article: http://thepoliticker.observer.com/2006/02/exclusive-gays-rebuff-hillary.html

FYI, I think the paper is very difficult to classify politically. There were some very snarky columns in there about JK, but they are definitely not republican. I guess the most accurate classification would be New-York-Centric.