Barfbag news (it's good!)

[whometense]

The Carpetbagger:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/6565.html

* In a bit of a surprise, James Webb, the Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, said yesterday that he will run for the Senate this year, as a Dem. Webb is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy and served in the Marines in Vietnam. He is the author of the nonfiction book "Born Fighting, How the Scots-Irish Shaped America," as well as six novels. He'll likely face Harris Miller in a Dem primary, the winner of which will take on Sen. George Allen (R). (A few months ago, Allen's re-election was a foregone conclusion. Now, it has to be considered a key race to watch.)

[TayTay]

1. All proof that there is a God and I am not on his/her shit list.

Thank you Whome. Now, let me make sure the check in March for Webb is spelled correctly. (Oh that is good news.)

[whometense]

2. Doing a little happy dance

at my desk.

And yes, the winner of that primary can count on a check from me, too. :-)

[ProSense]

5. And you are not alone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2445279&mesg_id=2445279

[Island Blue]

3. Oh this should be fun!

We'll have to look toward Beachmom and Febup to give us some feedback from the ground. I would love to see someone give Allen the boot!

[FreedomAngel82]

4. That would be nice!

[WildEyedLiberal]

6. So I've heard that Webb spoke hatefully of JK's antiwar protesting

If true, fuck him.

[TayTay]

7. This guy served under Reagan and will be a

conservative Democrat. What I read was that he refused to shake JK's hand at one recpetion or another. I haven't researched the whys and wherefores of that one yet. Probably due to the VVAW stuff, but this guy also served under Reagan during Iran-Contra, so there are other possibilities out there.

[karynnj]

11. He did mention Kerry in his NYT editorial

against the Republican habit of attacking veterans. (I had thought the Kerry statement weak, as he didn't mention Kerry's medals as he did for all others, but I think he said "honorable service"). It's prety tacky that he would refuse to shake Kerry's hand.

[WildEyedLiberal]

20. What an ASSHOLE

Fuck this prick. I would refuse to vote for him even if it came down to him and Allen. You just have to draw the line somewhere.

[globalvillage]

8. What do we know about Harris Miller, anything? n/t

[beachmom]

9. I finally fixed my local newspaper problem

Here is the local article about him:

Former Navy secretary announces run for Senate
BY MICHAEL D. SHEAR THE WASHINGTON POST


RICHMOND — James Webb, who served as President Reagan’s Navy secretary, said Tuesday that he will seek the Democratic nomination to run against U.S. Sen. George Allen, R-Va., this year, hoping to challenge the one-term incumbent on foreign policy and the conduct of the war in Iraq.

“I don’t wake up in the morning wanting to be a U.S. senator,” Webb said.

“I wake up every morning very concerned about the country. We need to put some focus back in our foreign policy, a different focus.”

Webb, who has been flirting with a Senate bid for months, declined to elaborate about his decision or campaign plans.

He said he will file papers this week to officially become a candidate and formally announce his plans as early as next week.

In addition to a focus on foreign policy, he said his campaign would “look very hard at all the notions of fairness in our society.”

Allen’s chief of staff, Dick Wadhams, said of Webb’s announcement: “Sen. Allen has always expected a competitive race. We will run on competitiveness, national security and values.”

Before he can face Allen, though, Webb needs to get past former lobbyist Harris Miller, who announced his candidacy for the Democratic nomination last month.

Miller quit his job as head of the Information Technology Association of America to run.

“I can make a difference by focusing on the future instead of getting caught up in cheap partisan politics,” Miller said last month.

Miller’s spokesman, Brian Cook, said Tuesday that Webb’s candidacy “doesn’t affect our campaign. We’re going to keep going around Virginia explaining how Washington is broken and making the case for why Harris Miller is the best person to fix it.”

As a Marine, Webb served in Vietnam and was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Hearts. On his personal Web site, he describes having been raised in a family with “a strong citizen-soldier military tradition.”

He also is a novelist and filmmaker. He wrote “Rules of Engagement,” a 2000 film that opens with a confrontation involving U.S. Marines in Yemen.

Winning the Democratic nomination in Virginia this year will require Webb to explain his Republican roots.

He had served as an assistant secretary of defense under Reagan and was appointed secretary of the Navy in 1987. A year later, Webb resigned the post amid clashes with then-Defense Secretary Frank C. Carlucci.

In 1994, Webb endorsed then-Sen. Charles Robb, D-Va., for re-election over Oliver L. North. Webb called North a chronic liar. Six years later, Webb switched sides, endorsing Allen, the man he now hopes to beat. At the time, Webb said Allen was “better on issues of national security” than Robb was.

Webb declined to talk Tuesday about a Democratic battle between himself and Miller. “That’s something that will have to be addressed,” he said.

He said he will roll out his campaign after surgery on his hand, scheduled for Friday.

Webb has been the subject of an aggressive political draft effort on the Internet at www.draftjameswebb.com, which claims more than 999 signatures on his behalf.

The Raising Kaine blog, a Virginia Democratic site, lists dozens of comments urging Webb to campaign against Allen.

“Virginia needs you, the country needs you,” an entry from Herndon says.

Steve Jarding, who managed former governor Mark Warner’s campaign in 2001, said he met with Webb several times in the past few weeks.

“He’s fearless and a tremendously exciting candidate,” Jarding said. “I’m unbelievably impressed with him. He’s got the perfect profile to run against George Allen.”

Talk about a mixed bag. If I have to vote for this guy, I'll have to hold my nose while I do it. I don't think Iran-Contra is the key; as you see bolded above, he hates Ollie North and resigned for some reason as Secretary of the Navy. I'll search around a bit more in regards to this snubbing of Kerry, but as you can see above, the guy is a decorated (no doubt, gung ho) Vietnam war veteran. These veterans have strong feelings, and there's nothing you can do to change them. I would say the guy's worse move was endorsing Allen in 2000!! Just feel sorry for me and Fedup, who have to vote for these "Democrats" who make the mod Repubs up north look like flaming liberals!

Edited to add: whoops, I just noticed this was just a pickup of a Wash Post article. Oh well, it still gives you a pretty good preliminary picture of the guy.

[karynnj]

12. What concerns me is that he really is a Republican

It seems he running as a Democrat because that's where there is an open space. It is good that he called North a liar and endorsed Robb (who was a pretty conservative Democrat). I think you're right that the Kerry snub was for protesting. If he wins the Senate race, I would predict that he would likely end up, like McCain, accepting Kerry when he got to know him.

Webb has criticised Bush on Iraq and could reasonably end up with Murtha. I wonder if Murtha, who seems disgusted with everyone who doesn't want to get out of Iraq as quickly as he does, will see the parallels to Kerry's calls to get out of Vietnam.

[beachmom]

10. Small article on Harris Miller

Democrat files paperwork to challenge Allen for Senate seat
BY WARREN FISKE THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT



Harris N. Miller, a wealthy Northern Virginia computer executive and longtime Democratic activist, said Monday he intends to run this year for the U.S. Senate seat occupied by Republican George F. Allen.

Miller, 54, filed papers Monday with the Federal Election Commission and the Secretary of the Senate establishing a campaign committee. He said he will formally announce his candidacy in a few weeks.

“This campaign will be all about the future,” Miller
CAMPAIGN Harris N. Miller said he has resigned his job as president of the Information Technology Association of America to concentrate on the coming campaign. said in a phone interview on Monday. “I see a lot of people worried about the future and whether they can live the American dream.”

Former Navy Secretary James Webb last year also expressed interest in a possible run but has not made his intentions known. Efforts to contact Webb on Monday were unsuccessful.

Allen has said he plans to run for a second term but has not made a formal declaration. Allen also has been pondering a White House bid in 2008. He made two political appearances last year in New Hampshire, which will be the site of the first presidential primary in 2008.

Miller said Virginia needs a “full-time U.S. senator.” He added, “Too many of our elected officials in Washington are busy focusing on scoring cheap partisan political points using their position as a steppingstone to higher office. As a result, Virginians end up without someone fighting for their everyday concerns in the Senate.”

Dick Wadhams, Allen’s chief adviser, said: “We look forward to running against whoever the Democratic Party decides will be its nominee this year.”

Miller, who lives in McLean, said he has resigned his job as president of the Information Technology Association of America to concentrate on the coming campaign. The association promotes the interests of about 350 high-tech companies.

Harris is a native of Western Pennsylvania. He is a graduate of the University of Pittsburgh and has a master’s degree in political science from Yale University. He is married and has two grown children.

Harris was Democratic chairman of Fairfax County from 1986 to 1992.

During the past 10 years, he has contributed $54,675 to Democratic candidates in Virginia.

[globalvillage]

13. Fuck this Swift Boat enabler.

Both of these are still linked from the front page of his website.

http://www.jameswebb.com/articles/NPR/npr8%2024%2004.htm

http://www.jameswebb.com/articles/variouspubs/usatoday.htm

edit to fix one of the links.

[whometense]

14. quel prick.

I'm guessing JK won't be funneling any $$$ his way.

[globalvillage]

15. He is that.

Miller looks like a good Dem if his donations tell a story.

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=miller%2C+harris&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2006=Y&txt2004=Y&txt2002=Y&Order=N


This dick Webb is a Republican and a Kerry basher. He just gave barfbag money in '05.

Edit, I can't confirm the barfbag donation. Same name, same state, but I still can't be certain of the link. Sorry. Still probably him, though.

[whometense]

16. Guess we'd better get on that

getting-the-word-out thing, then.

So, can anyone just say they're a dem and sign on to run as one even if they're not? There's a repuke 2006 ploy for you. :eyes:

Okay, I just emailed the Carpetbagger. Maybe he'll do a followup.

[globalvillage]

21. Need to do more research on the barfbag donation.

Hang on...

[globalvillage]

25. I don't think it's him.

So I wouldn't use the donation.

[whometense]

41. Just heard back from the Carpetbagger on this:

Hi Xxxxx,

Thanks very much for your note the other day about James Webb. I had no idea that he'd written these other items and very appreciate the heads-up.

In fact, my first thought (hope?) was that this was a different James Webb. Alas, this does not appear to be the case. At a minimum, Webb should explain and/or defend these previous comments before Dems vote in the primary. I'm going to say so in a post, probably tomorrow.

Thanks again. This is an excellent-though-disturbing catch and I appreciate you letting me know about it.

I hate to take credit for the catch, since it was you, gv, and not me, but in any case I'm looking forward to his followup. If only newspaper and tv jurnalists were as responsible as he is.

[beachmom]

42. Thanks so much for letting him know, though!

I feel like when it comes to defending John Kerry, we're all free to "steal" from each other, right? When I write LTEs, I often use talking points from this forum, and I certainly would be thrilled if people took my ideas and ran with them. Please post when he writes something on this. I also wonder if dKos should also know this stuff, too -- even though they've done their share of JK bashing, even the biggest lefty freeper hates the SBVT with a passion, and will not want to support an SBVT sympathizer.

[whometense]

43. Has there been antrhing posted over there

that was supportive of Webb? If so, then we probably should write a diary about this.

[beachmom]

46. I'm researching Webb on Kos now, and found some interesting info

Webb was really a Democrat traditionally. Here is what turned him toward Republicans (hint: Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam):

Carter's amnesty turned him toward Repubs (3.75 / 4)

I've been reading Robert Timberg'sThe Nightingale's Song, which is about Webb, McFarland, Poindexter, North, and McCain. The basic premise of this book is that Vietnam Vets share a deep bond that goes beyond party lines.

According to Timberg, it was candidate Jimmy Carter's proposed amnesty program that sent Webb toward the Republicans. Timberg says "His performance caught the eye of President Ford's political handlers. Webb, a lifelong if lukewarm Democrat, was soon installed as cochairman of a group called Vietnam Veterans for Ford."

Timberg says that Webb was recruited by the Carter campaign team, and that he seriously considered joining that campaign. After researching Carter's background and positions, however, he concluded "Carter stood for nothing.........Carter's subsequent endorsement of pardons for draft resisters was too much, the twisting of the knife. Adrift politically, Webb washed ashore a Republican."

After Carter was elected, however, Webb was offered and accepted a position on the House Veterans Affairs committee. So, even at that time his political "conversion" was incomplete.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/15/95018/3060

What this tells us is that Webb didn't say what he said about the SBVT because he's a Republican; he did so because this is how he feels and has always felt. It's why he left the Democratic party. And now we see that he worked for the Carter administration as well as the Reagan administration. We're talking about a disagreement on one issue and one issue only -- the Vietnam War.

[beachmom]

47. Bob Kerrey linked with Webb:

Another comment on this Kos thread:

It IS important the Dems win this race, BUT... (3.50 / 2)

If Webb has a (D) after his name AND if he has a better chance of defeating Allen, he is probably the better choice for the nomination.

But as another "genuine progressive", I share S1NV's skepticism about Webb. Contrary to another's post, Webb has not "come over to our side". He is on his own side. He will NOT be a team player, and folks now singing his praises on this board will be cursing his votes and statements well before 2008.

VirginiaBelle, why should Bob Kerrey's support calm your concerns about Webb's ideology? Bob Kerrey was one of the very few Dems actively involved with the neoCon effort to get this country into war in Iraq, the so-called "Committee for the Liberation of Iraq," which was controlled by the Project for the New American Century.

Max Cleland had originally been appointed to the 911 Commission, but started asking troublesome questions and demanding that the White House turn over relevant documents to the Commission. The Bush gang removed him from the Commission by "kicking him upstairs" to another appointment and he was replaced by the more cooperative Bob Kerrey.

What was Kerrey's view of the 911 Commission's job:

"I believe this commission must try to provide a foundation for bipartisan agreement on what should be done in Iraq and the broader war against radical Islamists who use terror as a tactic to destroy our will."

If anything, Bob Kerrey's support for Webb should only increase our worries about Webb, not dispell them.

Back to Webb--
It has been posted that he will speak to crucial issues like race, and someone else said his "grunt" experience in Vietnam means that he will appeal to African Americans.

I have posted elsewhere my concerns about Webb's views on "race", a concern that didn't seem to register with many on this board. Do your research and you will find his views being spoken of very approvingly on "white nationalist" discussion boards. He speaks very well to the resentment of the "down-trodden" Southern white males with his lament for the fate of Scots-Irish. He opposes affirmative action programs. I expect he will get African American votes, but it will be because of the strategic need to win the seat for the Democrats, IMO, and NOT because Webb will speak of "race" in a manner that appeals to them.

Again, I do accept that it is probably necessary that Webb win the Democratic nomination as the best chance of the Dems winning the Senate seat, so I urge people to hold their noses and do it. Even if there WERE a Green candidate, there is too much at stake to allow ourselves the luxury of casting a "morally pure" Green vote in this case.

But those of us who are not DLC-style Democrats, or "Blue Dog" Democrats, will soon shed all illusions about Jim Webb, once he gets into office.

I urge you to avoid the rush and shed those illusions now.


by Shliapnikov on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 02:16:55 PM PDT

[beachmom]

48. According to this comment on a different thread, Webb

contributed to the Kerry campaign in 2004:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/14/11856/8042

And yet... (none / 1)

Webb's only major contribution in 2004 was to...

John Kerry.

Elect James Webb to the US Senate in Virginia

by 5oclockshadow on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:20:07 AM PDT

Can someone verify this? Totally bizarro. He bashes Kerry one instant, and then gives him money the next?

[beachmom]

49. Sorry guys, there is just so much good info; this one about Barfbag

He's really just godawful:

James Webb (4.00 / 4)

As a lifelong resident of Virginia (except for college), I will be more than happy to campaign for Jim Webb in an effort to unseat George Allen, Rush Limbaugh's candidate for President in 2008. Hopefully, I will volunteer more for Jim Webb, who is facing an opponent I despise, than I did for Tim Kaine, for whom I was happy to volunteer because of the many gutsy positions he took.

We in Old Dominion remember the dark days when George Allen reigned as Governor. We remember when UVA, Virginia Tech, William & Mary, and other Virginia public institutions had to close down because then-Gov. Allen refused to accept federal education funds due to the strings attached. We remember George Allen saying that he wanted to "knock teeth down their whiny throats." We remember that confederate flag hanging in George Allen's office while he was Governor. And that wasn't it for George Allen.

Sen. Allen, get ready for the race of your life. We Democrats are ready to, as you put on your Senate website, "make your day."

Today, the Court purports to be the dispassionate oracle of the law. - Justice Blackmun

by jim bow on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 06:19:33 AM PDT
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[beachmom]

50. And, finally, one positive thing I did find about Webb

It's from an obvious supporter, but I have no reason not to think it's true (this guy is ALL about Vietnam:

While we're talking about fairness (none / 0)

Remember this:

There are many statues on the national mall. There is only one statue of a black man. That statue is in the Viet Nam memorial and it's there because James Webb fought for it. In fact, the boots on that statue were modeled off of Webb's own Viet Nam combat boots.

Allen's solution to the race issue is to support the confederate flag and keep a hangman's noose in his office.

James Webb? He had this to say:

"the greatest realignment in modern politics would take place rather quickly if the right national leader found a way to bring the Scots-Irish and African Americans to the same table, and so to redefine a formula that has consciously set them apart for the past two centuries."

The uniter vs. the divider.

Elect James Webb to the US Senate in Virginia

by 5oclockshadow on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 09:57:37 AM PDT
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[beachmom]

51. To sum it all up

Kos has remained neutral on Webb. A very weird Miller supporter (read the thread and you'll see what I mean) did mention that Webb criticized Kerry during the campaign, but did not go into detail (instead, everyone thought he was a troll, but it appears that he is not, just not very diplomatic).

Another weird detail is that Miller apparently has ties to Diebold!!! Oh joy!!!!! So running in Virginia for the U.S. Senate:

Swifty enabler Webb vs. Diebold lover Miller, the winner who will meet rascist scumbag neo-con Sen. Barfbag.

Don't y'all envy us folks down here in Virginia?

I guess this is just a repeat of Robbs vs. North (one will have to vote for the lesser evil).

[WildEyedLiberal]

52. Miller is a an IT dude

It's possible he may have worked with/for Diebold on a non-election related project. Diebold does all kinds of security, not just election software.

Frankly, I still don't care if Webb's only hangup is Vietnam - there is NO excuse for his enabling of swifty lies, and no excuse for his continued refusal to see the truth about that war and to acknowledge that what John Kerry did took more courage than any act of battlefield bravery. There's no credible reason for any to support Swifty lies - NONE. So Webb is as good as a Repuke in my book.

[beachmom]

53. I understand where you're coming from, but . . .

I have made my decision on the vote. I will vote for Miller in the primaries (if he's still in the race) and for whoever is the D against Allen. This is the reality of Virginia. You're in Illinois with Sen. Obama and Durbin representing you (I'm not saying you don't have some Republicans in your region, but still what great senators you do have!!). Second to PA (Santorum), I am home to the worst prominent Repub senator in the country, and he's going down. To be honest, I would be just as reticent in voting for Casey, who doesn't believe in a woman's right to choose as I would be for Webb, who obviously has a grudge against Kerry and the anti-war movement. Voting is often about the lesser of two evils, instead of the BEST candidate. I wish it wasn't that way. 2004 was a great year to vote, because I got to vote for David Ashe for Congress and John Kerry for president. Perhaps this year is just going to be an off year, but I have to take the hand I am dealt, and if Webb is the Dem, I will vote for him, however begrudgingly.

Edited to add:

Just so you know, I have my eyes wide open with this guy, and really I can't predict what I'll do come next November when I enter the voting booth. Here's another vile essay by this man:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7572

[WildEyedLiberal]

54. I definitely don't envy your position

If Harris is not the Dem nominee, you could wait and see what the polls are like for Webb vs. Allen. If it's not that close either way, you could always register a protest vote (or leave that spot on the ballot blank).

He's really vile, and so is Allen. Basically your choice (unless Miller makes it, which lets pray he does and lets start the grassroots campaigning for him early) is between :puke: and :puke:

[beachmom]

55. The polls: that 's EXACTLY what I was thinking!

I would only vote for him if it was close. To be honest, I can't figure this guy out. He spends his whole life resenting, condemning, and hating the anti-war movement. Yet he is totally against the Iraq War (not just how it's being conducted), and was against the Persian Gulf War, too. He thinks Vietnam was a more worthwhile cause (??!!??). I don't mean to get cynical here, but actually oil IS a more worthy cause than a war over a strategically unimportant region for which we couldn't go too far because China was right there! And he spends all this time defending the south Vietnamese government known for its corruption and cronyism, like it was some kind of Jeffersonian democracy. He needs to let go . . . Good God, if he were to win, we'll be glued to our C-SPAN wondering what this guy will do in case he runs in to Kerry. It will be literally like a member of the SBVT is in the Senate. Arghh, arghh, arghh. If I have to make a decision on that vote, I think it will really depend on my mood, and whether I could stomach that vote, or if I do a write in. (Maybe I'll write David Ashe in)

[WildEyedLiberal]

56. If he apologized to Kerry it would go a long way

Personally, I fully think the SBVT connections should be used against him in the primary. He needs to answer for that shit - and his condemnation of the anti-Vietnam movement in general, of which a lot of Dems took part - before he can ask Dems for their votes. The anti-war movement was a lot bigger than a handful of New Left hippies, and Webb is just another right-wing apologist as long as he continues to flog that POV.

And no shit, if I had to be cynical and pick which clusterfuck of a war was actually more advantageous to selfish U.S. interests, I'd pick Iraq over Vietnam, too. Of course, both are/were needless and strategically and morally wrong, but Christ - WTF did we accomplish in Vietnam? We spent 10 years propping up a corrupt government in Saigon, killing millions of civilians in Vietnam and Cambodia, and basically sticking our noses into a civil war we couldn't win on behalf of the South Vietnamese, and delayed the inevitable by 10 years while racking up millions of casualities for no fucking reason. And Webb has the gall to hate Kerry for fucking pointing that out? What a fucking douche. I guess he wants to pretend it really was about this noble crusade against communism. :eyes: What a tool.

[globalvillage]

44. It's not about me, whome.

It's about good Dems sticking together.
Thanks for following up.

What a great team we all are.

[karynnj]

18. Being in the Reagan administrtion is bad enough

Writing these things in 2004 is another - For all practice purposes, he was an elite adjunct member of SBVT. At the risk of sounding like the people WEL's brilliant thread mocks - WE DON'T NEED REPUBLICANS. The other thing is do you really thing he'll be a Democrat for long?

[WildEyedLiberal]

19. He'll be the next Lieberman

He'll be president for two years while Bush is president, and then when Kerry takes over in 2008, you can BET he'll be the next Joe Lieberman who shows up on every talk show to undermine President Kerry's liberal message, giving all the RW assholes the ammo they need to say "even DEMOCRATS don't support Kerry, think he's extreme, blah blah blah..."

[karynnj]

22. He may be far far worse that Lieberman

Lieberman really is a Democrat on most of the social/domestic issues. All we know about this guy is that he is against Bush - he was a member of the Reagan administration. Those to editorials frame Kerry's protesting in the same terms the RW give. I don't know what questions the Harris poll asked, but I knew plenty of unhappy Vietnam Vets - aside from the fact that their "happiness" was not Kerry's issue.

The fact of the matter is that even people like Colin Powell and Tommy Franks conceded that there were plenty of atrocities in Vietnam. The other thing is that Kerry was explicitly repeating what the Winter Soldiers said and he had been asked to speak of that event. He intentionly in the context of the speech leads to the idea that these actions (which they were told to do in some cases) hurt the soldiers and now the government was ignoring the problems they were having. This clearly doesn't describe evil unremourseful monsters - but people haunted by what they did. Even if people had a problem with the words, he was 27 years old. (but I guess he wasn't young and irresponsible)

Beyond that - the comment of "shaky" to describe war medals - then thecomment about LBJ's (genuinely shaky) medal. This is tacky beyond words when he then is concerned about everyone else's medals - so I guess in the entire history of the US military only Kerry didn't deserve his medals.

The karma comment was pretty nasty too - The SBVT lied about eveything in their ads, Kerry certainly didn't deserve that. If they wanted to challange whether it is right to respectfully petition the government to end a war, that is ok.

Also, it was the leaders of the country and the military who tarnished the name of a generation of soldiers - Kerry didn't create "free fire zones", send troops into My Lai or carpet bomb part of the country we were defending. The millions of Vietnamese who died were killed by people like Webb who okayed it.

I think this guy hates Kerry more than any of the Republicans (probably including Ted Stevens)

[globalvillage]

23. Miller's numbers against Allen

Miller's numbers against barfbag look just as good as Webb's, although it doesn't look promising for either.

http://www.removerepublicans.com/candidate/george_allen

[WildEyedLiberal]

26. Then we need to start a BIG grassroots campaign in favor of Miller

Why even bother replacing Allen if we're just going to replace him with a lying, vicious, Swiftboat Republican scumbag? Let's at least nominate a REAL Dem.

[globalvillage]

27. We need these

[karynnj]

28. I agree -

this isn't someone who registered as a Republican - this is someone who was in the RW Reagan administration and who last gave money to George Allen. (This could well be a RW trick - bright flashy things - Where's Shumer and Reid when you need them ?- the DSCC should back the Democrat in the race.)

I wonder what evil Reagan things he was involved in.

[globalvillage]

29. You know, Harris has something that's missing in the Senate.

He's a former president of Information Technology Association of America. He may not be sexy, but he's got a skill set that would be a huge benefit.

Geeks for Miller. There are lots of us.


:P

[karynnj]

30. Their numbers are near the same

and probably refect (generic democrat) vs (Allen).

[WildEyedLiberal]

24. You're right

He'd be another Zell Miller. I don't care - he must not be allowed into the Senate. Fuck him hard.

[WildEyedLiberal]

17. Okay, that confirms what I heard

HE APPROVED OF THE SWIFT BOATERS?

FUCK HIM.

HARD.

Seriously, as much as I HATE ALLEN, I'd stay home in VA if this asshole is the nominee. I would NEVER vote for anyone who enables the Swifties. EVER.

[beachmom]

31. Okay, I'm back and read everything. OMG?? What do I do?

I mean, how long is Harris Miller going to last? Is the party machine going to get rid of him just like they got rid of Hackett and Ashe? This Webb guy MUST be defeated in the primaries. Better yet -- why the hell doesn't he challenge Allen in the Republican primary????? The guy isn't even a moderate Republican -- he's right wing, but just not neo-con, and therefore anti-*. Hell, maybe he IS neocon, but just doesn't like how * conducted the war.

If Webb is on the ballot against Allen, I will leave it blank. Or is that dumb? I mean, if we get the majority of seats and can control the agenda, is that worth the price for voting for a deplorable Swifty enabler? What are you going to do, Fedup? Sometimes I just HATE living in deep red Virginia, when it almost seems better to stay home with these impossible votes . . .

[globalvillage]

32. If it's Webb or Allen

I would vote for Webb. It's important that we take back Congress.
What I would do now is get the word out about Harris. He looks like a good guy.

[WildEyedLiberal]

33. If it's Webb vs Allen, I would vote third party

I HATE saying that because I HATE when people do that, and no, I won't be faced with that choice so it's easy for me to say, but then again: WHERE do you draw the line? At what point does the (D) behind someone's name fail to justify what a horrible, dangerous asswipe they are?

It is my honest opinion that a Swiftboat supporting scum is no better than Allen. And I HATE Allen. But again, where do you draw the line? If Satan ran as a Democrat against Allen, would we vote for him just to be one seat closer to a majority? Everyone who knows me knows I HATE purity and third parties, but there HAS to be a point where "enough is enough." If a Swiftie-enabling RW pig doesn't cross that line, who does?

[globalvillage]

34. You have to listen to your boss, WEL

Now, we must be clear about something else. Winning the 2006 congressional elections is the only way to change the dangerous path George W. Bush has put us on. We need to defeat those Republicans who have overlooked this administration’s incompetence, turned a blind eye to its failures, and lent a helping hand to its dangerous ideology.

Together, we have to act to make sure 2006 is the year Americans, led by Democrats, stand up to incompetence, cronyism and corruption, take back Congress, and get our nation moving in the right direction again.

I look forward to fighting alongside you.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2006_01_31.html

I hate it too, but I think the Senator would prefer that we do whatever's necessary to take back congress. Even if it means voting for jerks like Webb.
Don't you agree?

[WildEyedLiberal]

35. I don't know

Again, I really think there has to be a line - I don't support the idea that ANY asshole can register as a Democrat and automatically get my support. Basically I think Webb thinks he has a better shot at getting into the Senate running as a Dem than running against Allen in a GOP primary, and that's the SOLE reason he's a "Democrat."

You know I'm not one of those people who pisses and moans and threatens to vote Green every time a Dem votes against Bill X, but there do have to be standards, and Webb pretty much crosses every acceptable line into the TRUE DINO category. He's no better than Zell.

[globalvillage]

36. All the more reason to promote Harris Miller.

I fully understand your position. You know I do.
I'd just like to see JK chair some committees.
We NEED to take back congress.

[WildEyedLiberal]

37. Well FWIW

I don't know that he'd accept a committee chair, cuz running for president will take up so much time, and besides, might as well not fuss about the replacement when he get promoted from the senate in 2008. ;)

[globalvillage]

39. I like the way you think. n/t

[beachmom]

38. In that sense, I think JK would be my compass on this one

After all, it is HE who was repeatedly insulted by this Webb guy. The primary is June 13th, so by this summer we will know whether he's on the ballot. So . . . since we have not one but TWO interns for Sen. Kerry, I would like to know what he suggests. I bet ya he says to vote for the D, even if it's Webb.

But I agree with GV -- Harris Miller ALL THE WAY!!!!!

And Schumer and Reid better keep their paws off of him, or I'm going to begin to think they're really Republicans.

[globalvillage]

40. More on Harris Miller here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2467604

[ProSense]

45. Allen is at it again

being a Bush enabler

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2470756&mesg_id=2470756