Anyone post at MyDD?

[MH1]

I would but it's way past my bedtime. Anyone?

http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/12/28/20108/745

Bitching about Kerry using his email list to help other candidates. Main beef seems to be that he thinks Cantwell and Stabenow don't need it. But he stretches that into an attack against Kerry and says JK should turn all his PAC money over to the DNC.

:puke:

btw this alert comes courtesy of one of our friendly DFA posters.

[WildEyedLiberal]

1. Notice how he says that to be "helpful" Kerry would give his list to Dean

:eyes:

It bet it burns their ass that the DNC is still sucking on fundraising whereas KAP is doing very well for a PAC of its size. Now, why would Kerry turn and surrender his obviously successful email list with its myriad of successful actions over to anyone else (especially someone who pretty openly has little use for him)?

I hate these people oh so much.

[karynnj]

9. Also, would Kerry's email list work without Kerry?

I read Kerry's email - and sometimes support the candidates because I trust Kerry's evaluations of them. (I trust he has chosen the best people who have the best chance of winning.) I also like that to some degree, it helps give Kerry power. I get the DNC stuff (which is never as convincing as the Kerry stuff), but unsubscribed to the DFA.

To show how hypocritical they are, why didn't they scream when Dean started DFA - which supported candidates outside of the DNC? (Oh, but they were leveraging the support Dean still had - Kerry never had support.)

I think it is good that he is doing parallel work on grassroots too. I trust that he will work to merge his activists with the DNCs to support the 2008 nominee - but I hope that they will be the grassroots for a certain primary campaign. Given how bad the grassroots and the official party organizations were in 2004, having 2 (or more) people working this sounds sensible.

[wisteria]

2. I did, I couldn't believe this illogical, twisted diary. Oh, its a bad

thing that Kerry helps out other candidates and requests funds for them. Gee, he might win a few friends and influence some people. We should just leave all of that up to the DNC. If you go with this line of thinking than Dean can do it all with Kerry's e-mail list. There is no need for Kerry and all the other Senators and Congress people to help out fellow members in their elections or reelections- Dean's got it covered.How dare JK be working hard to assure victories in 2005 and 2006. If I recall correctly, many of those who JK campaigned for did very well in their races in 2005. Oh yeah,sure, there's a real good reason to consider Kerry efforts as wasted opportunities as the diarist does.

Honestly, Kerry worked hard to achieve this large e-mail list, why should he have to give it up to anyone. Why, he might just decide to run again. Nothing wrong with that at all. Besides, I bet there is a law prohibiting the release of e-mail information to others.We are informed when we request to be added that the information remains secure. In other words, the diarist is full of sh*t.

[JI7]

4. also

some people signed up for it after the elections because they wanted to keep up with what he does and support the things he called for during the campaign.

[LittleClarkie]

5. He got quite a few with the ANWR stuff alone

What's funny is the folks who are on the list, complain about it, but when you tell them to unsubscribe they say "Why should I do that?" O-B-K-B.

[wisteria]

6. exactly. n/t

[karynnj]

11. These sound like the same people who now think Dean is the head of the

Democratic party - rather than head of the Democratic National Committee. The silliest post was one where someone suggested that Dean should "reprimand" some Senator (not Kerry) for saying something that was the opposite of a Dean statement. Even when we have the Presidency, individual Senators (or not elected people for that matter) still are entitled to their own POV.

I agree on the email list. Kerry did an amazing thing right after the election in using the list to reach out to people - many likely to avoid politics after the defeat - to give hope, and to keep people involved. I think there have been as many calls to action as there have been requests for money. Even the requests for money are different than those of others - he lists candidly what he wants to do; no phony surveys, or glossy grandiose statements.

It also reflects their rejection of Kerry as an activist - they likely had no problem with Dean setting up DFA, or people still soliciting for 21st century Democrats in Wellstone's name or even Kos having his own set of candidates. If they argue that KAP takes money that would have gone to the DNC, shouldn't this be even truer of Dean's DFA - now run by his brother. As Dean is head of the DNC shouldn't this be the first outside group ended. Until it is, leave KAP and all the other PACs alone.

[TayTay]

12. It's just sour grapes

A lot of these people simply don't understand that that e-mail list belongs to JK. It's his and his alone. He is choosing to share it, but by raising money for other good Dems. They don't want Kerry to get any credit for anything he does. They can all bite me. (Friggin whiny little piss-ant bastids. Do the leg work and get your own friggin list. Otherwise stop whining about other people who do the hard work and reap the reward. Honestly, what a bunch of green-eyed little prissy fops.)

[LittleClarkie]

3. Yep. Thanks Madflo for the info

:hi:

[ProSense]

7. Unbelievable! A new low for the

"we hate Kerry because he's popular" crowd.

Despite Bush, this is still a democracy. My brother made an interesting point yesterday: in their hatred for certain Democrats and sometimes the entire party, some of these people are displaying RW tendencies (extremism).

I here the argument from them on DU all the time: oh the minute anyone criticize...you people start calling us out for spewing RW talking points.

It's not an effective retort because they are RW talking points.

Now here is someone advocating that Kerry does not have the right to decide how best to help other Democrats, that he should "do what's best for the party" and turn his back on some members of the party to appease this poster. Now where have I come across that kind of thinking?

[TayTay]

8. This is jealousy, pure and simple.

The green-eyed monster has infected, once again, MyDD. (The founder was a paid consultant for Dean in '03-04, btw.) The DNC has a database of DNC members. It's nicknamed Demzilla. It would be a very sad commentary on the DNC under Gov. Dean if they are unable to duplicate the succesful organizing efforts of one lone Senator even though they have a dedicated staff and money for just this purpose. Perhaps all is not well at the DNC?

I am very happy to be getting these updates from Sen. Kerry. I enjoy reading them and enjoy knowing about other Dems who need fundraising help. I would not respond with my dollars as much if the appeal came from anyone else. And that's a fact, Jack.

[MH1]

10. Thanks everyone!

Several good responses over there and looks like you all are voting (ANYONE can vote, btw - don't need to be logged in.)

This is a really inane attack but I think it's good that we didn't let it go unanswered.

[ProSense]

13. Interesting!

Campaign Committee Transfers to the
Democratic National Committee
Kerry $23.5 million plus

http://www.fec.gov/press/press2005/20050302party/cantonationals.pdf


Campaign Committee Transfers to the
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
Kerry $4 million ($3 million from campaign, $1 million PAC)

http://www.fec.gov/press/press2005/20050302party/cantodscc.pdf


Sources of Receipts for National Party Committees Through December 31 of the Election Year

total DNC $394,411,997
...Contributions from Individuals......................* $356,975,734
......Unitemized............................................* $165,774,626
......Contributions at the maximum permitted.......* $43,350,000
...Contributions from Federal Candidates................$27,948,808
...Contributions from PACs ...................................$3,038,036
...Transfers from State or other National Parties......... $378,869

*Includes proceeds from Kerry Victory 2004 Jointfundraising effort.


(Interesting to contrast)


total RNC $392,413,393
...Contributions from Individuals..........................$350,368,907
......Unitemized................................................$157,091,853
......Contributions at the maximum permitted...........$60,850,000
...Contributions from Federal Candidates.................$26,678,514
...Contributions from PACs.....................................$2,970,840
...Transfers from State or other National Parties........$4,655,873


Unitemized contributions from individuals are those which aggregate $200 or less in a calendar year from a single person.
The maximum contribution from individuals was changed from $20,000 per year to $25,000 per year for the 2004 election cycle.
This table includes federal or "hard" money only.

http://www.fec.gov/press/press2005/20050302party/dncrncsummary.pdf