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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:37 PM
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Helloooooo. Where are you, Mr Press?
I like driving to work. It's a fairly short drive, but it's relaxing. I used to listen to Morning Sedition when Sirius carried AAR, but now it's Bill Press. I'm switching to XM, BTW, but haven't got around to it yet.
Anyway, this morning, I was listening to Bill and Christy, when all of the sudden...Kerry bash. Because Bill says he's proud to be a liberal (me too), he insists that Sen Kerry has to do the same.
So...Sen Kerry is a wuss.
Well, that one wasn't going to go unanswered.
Here it is. Had I not been so pissed, it might have been a little more eloquent,and I probably would have spelled words out instead of abbreviating, but I think I made my point. It's the same point we've been discussing for the past several days.

My e-mail to Bill:

You know, Bill, I really never wanted to listen to your show.
> But when Sirius took AAR off, and I was unable to get Morning Sedition on
> my way to work, I thought, hey, I'll give him a shot.
> And, for the most part, you and Christy do a darn good job.
> BUT
> Why is it that a supposedly liberal talk radio host finds it necessary to
> attack a good, liberal senator like John Kerry? Go ahead. Attack a vote,
> a statement, a position. But to call a decorated war veteran a wuss (or
> was it wimp? I was so angry I don't recall) is not only uncalled for,
> it's almost republican. Why don't you just call him a windsurfer and get
> it over with? Personal attacks on our own good Dems are not only
> childish, they're harmful to the Dem party and to liberal radio.
> And to address the point you were (unsuccessfully) trying to make, Bill,
> look at the man's voting record before you label him. You think he's not
> a liberal? Does he have to paint a great big 'L' on his chest for you?
> For crying out loud, Bill. He acts like a liberal and he (almost always)
> votes like a liberal. Pick on someone who doesn't.
> Shame on you, Bill. You're better than that (I hope).


Bill's Reply:

XXXXXXXXX - Thanks for listening, but I think the world would have been
> different if John Kerry, whom I like personally, had been a better
> candidate and dared challenge Bush more directly on the war. Democrats
> can't win by being Bush lite. On the war, that's how John Kerry came
> across. Time to move on from Kerry. BP


My response to Bill's reply:

Bill-
Sorry, that is not a response to my message. My problem with your statement
is that you made a personal attack. It's childish and uncalled for.
Here's my position on Sen Kerry.
He's a good man, and a great senator.
He's served this country honorably in and out of office.
He's made many, many statements re his IWR vote. He is not bush* lite, IMO.
Not even close. His voting record over the past 20+ years is evidence of
that.
Re the IWR, he did make a mistake. I think he's admitted that. Hell, I'd
venture to say he's made quite a few mistakes in his career, but overall,
his record is as good as you'll find. Besides, as you know, the IWR was not
a vote for the war. It was a vote for inspections. Re-read it. I have.
Support who you want, Bill. But please don't resort to juvenile name
calling. That's a RW tactic if I ever heard one. 'Repub-lite', if you will.
In closing, I will move on when I decide to move on. That's the great
thing about this country. We can still choose who to support.
Thanks for responding, BTW. That was quick!


I'm guessing Bill goes to bed pretty early. Or maybe I won't get a response to my second e-mail, but I tried.

I hate it when grown ups act like children. I never see anything like this in any other situation involving intelligent adults. I certainly don't go to work and call people names if I don't agree with them. Don't do it socially, either. What makes people so ugly when they discuss politics?
And who started that crap, anyway?

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:48 PM
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1. Would you like us to write him too?
Of course, I don't listen to him, and hearing this makes me positive I won't be. But give us the email if you want us to write too.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:54 PM
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3. You're certainly welcome to write.
http://billpress.com/contact.html

I like Bill OK, I guess. He's no Marc and Mark, but he's the only lib on the radio when I'm headed to work.
I just wish he wouldn't bash Sen Kerry, then send an e-mail telling me he that likes him, but...
And the bush*-lite thing was just another RW talking point.
It's childish and disingenuous. I hate that shit.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:03 PM
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8. I wrote
Told him the strategy to marginalize the only liberal in the primary field who has a chance of winning is weak, weak weak weak. That it wouldn't work because Kerry supporters are RELENTLESS. :evilgrin:

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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:49 PM
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2. Kerry bashers tend to not be able to discuss Kerry in adult terms
They almost always resort to playground namecalling and crude insults, rather than building a case based on facts and reason. I remember, I think it was paulk, who had read some hideous Kerry bashing at some liberal blog/forum and wrote the admins a note much like yours - saying how it was inappropriate to call Kerry third-grade names and that his record was very liberal. The response he got was something like "Stop supporting a fucking wimp." I don't remember it exactly but I do remember the F-bomb was indeed dropped. I can't remember the site, unfortunately - hopefully paulk will see this thread and reply so I can remember which lefty blog to avoid (among many).
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:55 PM
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4. Bill says "Bush-lite"???
Fuck everybody who says Bush lite. Everybody. Every fucking body. I am so sick of that I could just run screaming through the streets when I hear it. Especially people who call Kerry Bush-lite then turn around and support Clark, Warner, Hillary, Biden & Bayh. WTF??

This is a talking point coming from somewhere and there's only 1 person I know of who has the clout to get a bunch of Democrats repeating the same line against another Democrat. Somebody who needs to leave the left with nowhere to go in order to win the primary. No, it ain't Dean.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:59 PM
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5. Ooo you've piqued my curiosity
PM me?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:10 PM
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9. Bah, Hillary
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if that's where all this Democrats have no authority to speak on the war crap is coming from. She thinks she has to be pro-war in order to be perceived as tough enough to be President. Anti-war Dems are screwing that up. Knock them out of the way, and leave her as the one who supports liberal social values to appease the soccer mom type, but is tough militarily too, for the security mom.

I do not like the Clintons, I think they screwed up the campaign. Not on purpose, but because they aren't in touch with what people really want. It wasn't to rip Bush to shreds on the war, but it wasn't to switch the debate to the economy either. They play dirty, I do think the attack on Dean at the end of 2003 came from them. But it was supposed to help Clark, not Kerry. Just my opinion based on absolutely nothing but my opinion.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #9
19. I don't trust the Clintons either. But all seems to be fair when it
comes to politics.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:58 AM
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20. Sad but true
It's true in my own little town, I don't know why I'd expect it to be different anywhere else.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:11 PM
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10. Starts with an H and ends in a y with a couple of "L's" in the middle?
I wouldn't doubt it.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:19 PM
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13. LC wins!!
That's what I think.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:37 PM
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17. How ironic, too, considering how liberal Sen. Kerry is
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 11:42 PM by LittleClarkie
and how moderate to conservative that person is.

And considering that she also gets tagged with that label.

I've just recently started to wonder about Ed Schultz pushing her candidacy too, after I heard that his show was party created and/or funded by two former Clintonistas. Hrm.

On edit: I should be careful about where I got that info though, since it came from Howard Kurtz, and I don't know how reliable it is:

http://www.websterstrategies.com/websterinthenews/news.cfm?ID=1

"The show was developed with $1.8 million from Democracy Radio, a New York nonprofit run by Tom Athans, the husband of Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), with a board composed of three Clinton administration veterans. Another Democratic senator, North Dakota's Byron Dorgan, recommended Schultz to Democracy Radio. Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) hosted a fundraiser about a year ago at her home for Democracy Radio and Schultz, which was attended by about 20 Democratic senators, including Hillary Rodham Clinton and Tom Daschle. Such lawmakers "feel the acute pain of having talk radio be mostly conservative," Athans says."
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:42 PM
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18. I've heard that too
I don't have a problem with anybody supporting an agenda within the party, or person's ideas, etc. I do it all the time. But be honest about it. That's what people are sick of, all the hidden agendas.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:12 PM
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11. I'm guessing it's someone who's never personally run for president -
yet.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:21 PM
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14. Yes... yet
Bill Press did not turn against the Clintons, no freakin' way. I don't care how "Bush lite" they get. If he has said anything about her, then I'd like to hear it to prove me wrong. I actually like Bill Press and would like to think he wasn't whoring for anybody.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:00 PM
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6. His analysis leaves a lot to be desired
For anyone listening, Kerry was not Bush lite on Iraq - the RW just said he was. He was not as anti-war as Press would have liked, but given the list of candidates and the fact that most people felt who won was important, of all the people more anti-war than Kerry, what was his likely percent of the vote versus Bush's. Neither Cobb nor Nader got many votes - even if Kerry got all their votes he probably still loses. Kerry got those votes.

He also got some votes of people who thought Iraq might have been necessary and thought Kerry might do a better job. A shift to the left loses these. the likelihood is there was more to lose than gain in a shift to the left.

Who does he want for 2008? that's antiwar and not a wuss? Feingold ?

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:00 PM
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7. His analysis leaves a lot to be desired
For anyone listening, Kerry was not Bush lite on Iraq - the RW just said he was. He was not as anti-war as Press would have liked, but given the list of candidates and the fact that most people felt who won was important, of all the people more anti-war than Kerry, what was his likely percent of the vote versus Bush's. Neither Cobb nor Nader got many votes - even if Kerry got all their votes he probably still loses. Kerry got those votes.

He also got some votes of people who thought Iraq might have been necessary and thought Kerry might do a better job. A shift to the left loses these. the likelihood is there was more to lose than gain in a shift to the left.

Who does he want for 2008? that's antiwar and not a wuss? Feingold ?

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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:17 PM
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12. You go girl!
Can't wait to find out if he writes back...or if he dares to.
:kick:
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:24 PM
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15. Well, I'm pissed and right before bed time. Now I know why
Bill Press was canned from CNN a couple of years ago. He is an asswh*le. he sounds just like a Republican with his time to move on comment.I am e-mailing him. Hopefully, power in numbers will get some positive response. There has been a lot of the crap surfacing lately against Kerry, from both sides. If Clinton people are behind this, I have a message for them. You can package her anyway you like, she is still Hillary Clinton and a polarizing figure.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:30 PM
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16. It is bed time.
Got to get up early and listen to Bill bash Democrats.
I hope he responds. He's got to have a few talking points left.
:hi:
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