Uh Oh, Lots of peeps aren't going to be happy with Kerry over this

[politicasista]

More Kerry bashing:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1696114:scared: :scared:

[TayTay]

1. I couldn't get to it

The thread wouldn't show up. What was the story?

[JI7]

2. what was it,? it seems to have gotten deleted

send me in pm if you have to

[politicasista]

3. Try this link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1696114

[JI7]

4. ok, i see it

but who cares. i don't really support the bill either. i don't really care what others think.

[LittleClarkie]

6. What's the beef

in particular that you have. I'm curious. I've only just glimpsed at it, but it doesn't sound terrible.

[JI7]

8. i just think people need to alter their religious customs

there are many religions with many different things they do. i think the rules need to be the same for all. if someone bans religious symbols, clothing etc then it needs to be banned for all. if they allow it for some they need to allow it for others.

but for those who don't want to allow it i don't think they should be forced to allow it.

people can practice whatever religion they want but society shouldn't have to conform to their religious practices.

[karynnj]

10. The problem is that when they create the one size fits all rule

it will tend to take care of the majority and could create a problem for a minority. I think if people try to be supportive of all it tends to work out better.

[JI7]

11. i agree, that's why i can understand why people would support this

but i'm more of a person who leans towards the system France has in place. it doesn't discriminate because it has a sort of total ban except in private on religious things.

but of course america is not france and Christians do benefit a lot because their holidays are often national holidays so there is no problem with work/religious practice conflicts.

i guess the bill should do something that everyone is allowed a certaiin amount of days off for their religion, or at least not fired just because of their religion. i'm not sure since there is separation of church and state and you have to be careful not to violate that while also upholding the equal rights part and not allowing to discriminate against some.

i trust JK and considering he sponsered this in around 1998 i know he has thought it through and unlike some claimed in that other thread it's not just pandering.

[LittleClarkie]

5. In an article I posted here once

Kerry kept trying to tell Teresa that Sanitorum had changed. I guess he must get along with the guy okay, though Teresa loaths him.

I just read the bit about the bill on the link. I love that it seeks to protect Muslims and other non-Christian groups. Some good liberal orgs support it. I wonder what the problem is that could affect gay people though. Hmm. Interesting.

Is this a knee-jerk anti-Sanitorum reaction? Or are there real problems with the bill?

[JI7]

7. you don't need to like or agree with the person in congress to work with

them on issues where there are agreements. he has worked with Jesse Helms also.

i actually oppose the bill. i'm more of a person who supports the policy of France. but then again this isn't France. the supreme court may overturn it also.

i just wish those who disagree with it would be truthful about it. they can disagree, but to think it's about Christians only is naive. it's about Muslims, Sikhs, and others who wear turbins, veils etc also. and of course it's about the religious holidays of these religions. since Christians usually get holidays for their holidays like christmas while these other people go to work during their holidays.

[TayTay]

9. I forgot about that one

I saw it in the press a while ago and it was so vanilla that I forgot about it. This bill extends the law to allow people to practice their own religions and not be penalized if they take time off to celebrate a religious holiday. (Sedition! Tyranny! Ahm, basic civil rights. Okay, never mind.)

My question is: Does Santorum know that this covers minority religions like Wicca? I wonder if he is going to run any ads in his re-election bid next year saying, "Vote for me because I protect the rights of witches."

The religious rights of witches actually came up as a campaign ad in a past Massachusetts election. Sigh! Everytime I finish telling someone that MA is just a normal state, I remember something that makes me go, ahm, well, a nearly normal state.

[Withywindle]

12. This Wiccan says...

I think it would be GREAT to have a bunch of the freakiest-looking folks from my Pagan crowd, all the bearded, glittery Radical Faeries in the see-through Indian cotton hippie skirts and the pierced, tattooed Burning Man Pagan types, and the butch lesbian Dianic Goddess crowd, etc., show up at Santorum campaign rallies and cheer loudly and raunchily and thank him for this bill over and over.

His base will LOVE it!

[TayTay]

13. Oh, btw

I didn't mean any disrespect for Wiccans. There are thousands of practicing Pagans in eastern MA. Heve been for years now. IMHO, they should be treated the same as everyone else and have the same rights as everyone else. (I once saw a Wiccan Hand-Fasting Ceremony followed by a Catholic wedding ceremony. So far, the Druid/Catholic marriage is holding up well.)

But the ad campaign of a few years back was odd. I no longer remember what campaign it was that mentioned the witches (Mittens?) but it was a derogatory reference that stated that XXXX had done a favor for them and wasn't that just awful. Silly stuff.