"Kerry is a Career Democrat."---Mark Crispin Miller

[elshiva]

Miller just said that on the Majority Report. Down on Kerry for conceding. But Laura Flanders thinks Kerry conceded (maybe) because his children were threatened.

[JI7]

1. fuck them both

[elshiva]

2. Really?

Sorry it was Janeane Garofalo who said that he conceded because his kids got threatened. I think she sounds pro-Kerry, she called him a "war hero" and believed he really won. Miller believed he won, but was down on him calling him a career democrat. WTF? Like Edwards or any other Democratic politician is a career democrat. Miller made it sound like a bad thing.

[JI7]

3. well, not Janeane

but Flanders once went along with Miller.

my problem with him and others who still complain about the concession is that they act as if it would have changed anything for the better. the fact is that we don't have the evidence to prove Kerry won. what we do have is proof of problems in the election system and taking all that into account it is likely Kerry would have won if the system was fair.

but what we need to do is change the system and if we want to talk about stolen elections then we need to show proof that Kerry would have won beyond just pointing out problems.

in Wisconsin there were Democrats who were found to have slashed the tires of some Republican vehicles which were to be used to drive people to the voting booths. some of them could use this to try to claim Bush really won Wisconsin. but the fact is Republicans had the money to replace the vehicles right away.

but my point is that the Republicans would just point to something like that if all we do is just complain about the election.

to get real change we will need legislation which will require support from Republican Senators since they are a majority. this will be difficult but it's not impossible. but some people seem to just want to complain rather than try to get actual change.

[elshiva]

4. Too much complaining about the conceding.

[marcologico]

8. gotta agree. From our (DU) p.o.v. he should have fought it to the Supreme

Court, where he would have lost, but so what. For the rest of the country though (including Fox News, the court of public opinion) just waiting until the next day was pushing it.

If he hadn't conceded Wed. morning we'd still be hearing sore loser and Kerry would be finished.

[LittleClarkie]

14. That's why it bugged me when Will Pitt, someone I respect

said it was a monumental blunder for Kerry to concede. I honestly don't see how he could do otherwise. And nearly all the people I encounter, including those who think the election was stolen, don't think he could have done otherwise. It's amazing when I find fraud folk around here. People at my church, even. Freak me out. No loony lefty are they, just honest hardworking folk.

[DoBotherMe]

26. Was that proven? That some "democrats"

slashed tires. Just wondering if charges were filed. D ; )

[karynnj]

27. Not affiliated with campaign

The article I read said that while the people who did it were Democrats, it was the K/E campaign that helped in their apprehension after they heard that it had been done.

[rox63]

5. Why is that a bad thing?

I personally don't think it's a bad thing to be a 'career Democrat'. Kerry considers himself to be a Kennedy-style (as in JFK) Democrat. He was inspired to go into politics because of his admiration for JFK. I personally think the swift boats were his attempt at his own version of PT 109. Yes, he is a career politician, who happend to be a strong Democrat. And I think it's something to be admired. :kick:

[elshiva]

10. That brings up another thing.....

I hate when some media whore carps about Kerry as a "John Kennedy wanna be." Everyone knows he wants to be like John Kennedy, he is openly a Kennedy admirer. I liked to say, "Kerry is a good Catholic boy who is always invoking his patron saint, John Kennedy." Nothing wrong with trying to imitate a good Democratic Senator and president.

[marcologico]

11. He could do a lot worse, that's for sure! :)

[TayTay]

13. He was 17.

He was 17 frickin years old. Kennedy had just been elected. He was doing garden variety hero-worship. Some 17 year olds do that. Then they grow up and grow out of blatant adolescent hero-worshipping.

For gawd sake's. Thank Gawd I don't have to account for what I did when I was 17. I would just die of embarrasment. (And I had rotten taste in heroes that I worshipped. Mostly movie-stars and bad singers.

[elshiva]

17. This is why I am pro-hero worship.

"I want to be like..." It gives us hope and some goals to live by. I know there are some "heroes" who are not like bad singers and bad actors, but still...

[Pirate Smile]

29. How dare he want to spend his life trying to serve his country and

fellow citizens!

We all know it is so much more noble to instead focus on making tons of money for yourself.


:eyes:

[TayTay]

6. Oh dear Lord in Heaven.

Can you even imagine this scenario:

Early morning, Nov 3rd. A brightly lite Townhouse on Beacon Hill. John Kerry is pacing in his library waiting to hear more information from his operatives on the ground in Ohio. Suddenly, there is a phone call on the 'hot' line.

Kerry: "Hello, Is this Whouley? Where have you been?"
Bush: "No John, it's me, the Pres-ee-dent. Ah, of the U-nited States. Listen, my old Skull and Bones buddy, we have to talk."
Kerry: "Yeah, what's the secret S&B password? Only a blood brother would know that." (Kerry laughs to himself. It's an old joke, but a good one.)
Bush: "Ah, it's ah, wait a minute"

Kerry hears cross-talk in the background and a voice that sounds like Karl Rove shout out, "For God's sake do I have to do everything for you? It's circumlocutious." Kerry thought he heard Bush say that that couldn't be it cuz that sounded like a Borg character on Star Trek:TNG. Then he heard Rove shout for the phone.

Rove: "Hello, Kerry? Listen up. I got a proposition for you."
Kerry: "I've got nothing to say to you, you bastard."
Rove: "Shut up and listen. We got Ohio and there's nothing you can, ah, legally do about it."
Kerry: "The f*ck I can't. I got 17,000 lawyers on the ground just waiting for some election fraud raw meat to chew on. I'm not giving up this fight until I've done everything...?"
Rove: "Yeah, and you'll still lose. Btw, nice kids you got there. Be a shame if something happened to them, you know what I mean?"
Kerry: "You come within 500 feet of my kids and I'll f*cking kill you with my bare hands. What kind of maniac threatens someone's kids?"
Rove: "Winning genius maniacs, that's what kind. I'm just saying, I know your kids travel a lot. London, Cannes, ah, Canada. Lots of opportunities for bad things to happen. You know, accidental terrorist events that can't be traced back to anyone in particular but that we know that you'll know that we know ah, screw it. Quit fighting this or bad things will happen."
Kerry: "Ah, if I win, how are you going to do anything to my kids. I'll have the power. Crawl back in your hole your pasty-faced, dough boy bastard."
Rove: "Just don't fight, okay? Can you do it for an old S&B buddy? I mean what are frat brothers for, if not an election every now and then?"
Kerry: "Well, that's different. Okay. I'll call off the the whole investigation. Damn that Bush. Why did he have to be S&B too! I have to respect the wishes of a S&B brother. Can't shake the conditioning drugs off."
Rove: "Good. Good. See ya at the Inaugural. Circumlocutious!"

Sad but true!

Seriously, can you even conceive of a scenario where this stupid story makes sense. And what the hell is a 'Career Democrat?'

[elshiva]

7. LOL! Did you write that, TayTay? Brilliant.

I can imagine Bush threatening Kerry's kids and step kids. Dubya is a criminal.

A career Democrat is a snide comment that doesn't work if you think about. Every Democratic politician is a Career Democrat.

[TayTay]

12. Yes, I wrote that

It took about 20 minutes. (I had to look up circumlocutious.) I just couldn't help myself. I have just had it with thise nutball 'Kerry sold us out' things. It's insane.

[elshiva]

16. Oh, Bless you!

[marcologico]

9. LOL, that's pretty funny! :)

[Hans Delbrook]

15. ROTFLMAO!!

That's great - but just watch - it will probably wind up on a conspiracy web site as a "secret" transcript from a government wire tap!

[GRLMGC]

19. ahahahahahahahaha

that freaking rocks. Write my script for me, won't you?

[sandnsea]

22. hehehehehe

That was funny. Isn't it amazing that people get paid to say such stupid shit?

[GRLMGC]

18. Damn, it must totally suck to be him

Well, his popularity may not be super high but he's still working. He's not getting respect, he's labeled as an untouchable loser, he gets called every name under the sun and he still works. That shows what kind of person he is and what kind of people his attackers are. Oh well.


Edited for awkward wording

[politicasista]

20. I agree.

Jesse Jackson went to the media about how Kerry's concession betrayed the trust of the voters, threfore many think Kerry and the dems took us for granted for not fighting to count every vote as promised. It's so unfair that Kerry is being labeled as a "coward who cut and ran when we needed him.":grr:

[GRLMGC]

21. What pissed me off about that

is that Jesse Jackson himself said that Bush won fair and square right after the election on some news show. I mean, I understand if he had a change of heart because he gained more information but its not really fair to attack Kerry for that. I don't know, it just bothered me.

[LittleClarkie]

23. Once again this is the shmendrick who wrote "The Kerry I never knew"?

Or not?

If so, he still don't know him very well, do he?

[JI7]

24. this is not him

[TayTay]

25. Yeah, I think that was Mark Shields n/t

[paulk]

28. Mark Crispin Miller

wrote "The Bush Dyxlexicon", which I would recommend. He also wrote several essays on the effect of the media on our political culture (or something like that) - you can find them if you google hard enough. He's one of my more favorite pundits.

which makes his comments all the more dissappointing...

[saracat]

30. Look. I was diasppointed that Kerry conceded.

I still think he could have hesitated a bit longer, but I wasn't in his shoes. Edwards apparently thinks the concession was too quick. Personally, a few days longer would have looked better IMHO. But a "fatal error" I don't think so. The eveidence never could have been gathered together in time and we would have lost and they would have hammered us with it. That being said, there is no question in my mind this was a stolen election, and it was in more states than Ohio. We are just now investigating in Arizona, and there is a real problem that just broke .And it could reflect the national election. It won't oust Bush , but the GOP will have exposed itself. Iowa is now looming on the horizon as well. Kerry is doing what he has to do.

[marcologico]

31. I think Kerry and his brother counted the votes and packed it in like the

pros they are. I personally don't think he COULD have strung it out much longer because he clearly didn't think he could win and he was right. It would have been pure demagoguing of the sleaziest sort and fortunately that's not his style.

On the other hand, I suspect he hadn't counted on the "Kerry quit too soon" chorus. Or maybe he did and just decided to do the right thing anyway.

:shrug:

[politicasista]

32. Agree.