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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:23 PM
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Okay, it's official. Georgia is 2008's Ohio. So screwed up.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/6/8467/63403/456/655519#c271

I am by nature a skeptic of conspiracies. With Georgia, incompetence is usually the simplest explanation. But these yahoos at the Sec. of State's office put up Election Day numbers and "100% in", and THEN the numbers went UP the next day. I think this was due to early voting, which technically is considered an absentee ballot, but talk about highly confusing causing many to be suspicious. It is a known fact that the SoS actively tried to supress votes using various methods. Now Chambliss has 49.9% of the vote, with votes streaming in SEVEN at a time, so clearly it is going to take forever to get final results. If he goes above 50% he wins. If not, it is a run off. Meanwhile, I found out that although my county increased its percentage for the Democrat (Obama received 20% to Kerry's 16%), the increased turnout in the county meant MORE TOTAL VOTES for the GOP for the state. Sigh. This is definitely directly related to Sarah Palin, who everyone in red Georgia adores (I was at a doctor's appointment today and eavesdropped on well educated health care workers raving about Palin who was ... President of her PTA!). Double sigh.

Anyway, I have no idea if there were any poll watchers, and if there were, it would be very difficult due to the fact that early voting took place, which probably was not supervised.

It's a bloody mess.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 02:26 PM
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1. Cleland lost to computer theft, with the programmer recently going public.
Sames machine, and same undemocratic impulse. Absentees, early voting needed to be considered as counted before any final tally, and we should press for that. If a small difference after that, a run-off, as planned.

They may have thought a run-off would favor them, as presidential no longer GOTV.

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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:10 PM
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3. Do you have a link for that? Thanks.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:52 PM
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5. If you mean Cleland, I don't have time to research, but it's recent.. Go to...
www.bradblog.com and search for Georgia, Cleland.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:00 PM
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2. Percentages in heavy GOP areas
It looked to me as if that is what happened in se ohio. I am not mathematically inclined enough, but it sure seemed like specific precincts increased their registered voters the exact same PERCENTAGE. That makes no sense. People tend to move to areas "like them". We get a lot of San Francisco Californians here - Orange County Californians go to Montana. We both have increases in population - but I don't think the exact same percentage of Dems & Reps for any given precinct. Get what I mean? So if you've got that going on in Georgia too, well that would be interesting I think. If a precinct that is heavily GOP has the same percentage rise of registered voters as Dems, they still go up more in raw numbers which helps the overall vote.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:03 PM
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4. Oh, man. That IS messed up.
Very disappointing to read.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:11 PM
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6. A couple of questions...
...for you:

1. Is your SOS a Republican or Democrat?

2. Is your SOS in any way connected to McCain/Palin campaign?

3. What are your laws for recounting?

4. Did you have any 'Video the Vote' people in your state?
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:41 PM
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7. The SoS is a Republican hack. But let's be clear here that the
only thing I know for sure is that she did voter suppression stuff prior to Election Day, all perfectly legal; or mostly legal (some things she was overruled on).

I am unfamiliar with any activity to watch the vote. I have heard nothing on that.

A recount is probably not necessary, as long as Chambliss stays under 50%. We'll be having another election on Dec. 2nd -- a runoff.

Again, I would like to see something concrete, instead of people knee jerk say "it was stolen" or some crap. I think McCain won Georgia; I just think they did not handle the election very well here. And if only Greg Palast is a source, I guess I am skeptical of 2002 being stolen unless I can see definitive proof.

Incidentally, look what I just found:

http://www.mlive.com/us-politics/index.ssf/2008/11/dems_firewall_secretary_of_sta.html

In anticipation of a photo-finish presidential election, Democrats have built an administrative firewall designed to protect their electoral interests in five of the most important battleground states.

The bulwark consists of control of secretary of state offices in five key states — Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico and Ohio — where the difference between victory and defeat in the 2004 presidential election was no more than 120,000 votes in any one of them.

With a Democrat now in charge of the offices, which oversee and administer their state’s elections, the party is better positioned than in the previous elections to advance traditional Democratic interests —such as increasing voter registration and boosting turnout — rather than Republican priorities such as stamping out voter fraud.

Perhaps more important, in those five states Democrats are now in a more advantageous position when it comes to the interpretation and administration of election law — a development that could benefit Barack Obama if any of those states are closely contested on Election Day.

The effort began in 2006 when a group of liberal California activists created an independent 527 group designed to elect secretaries of state.

The Secretary of State Project ran independent ads of its own and ensured that donors — many of whom were affiliated with Democracy Alliance, a network of wealthy fundraisers that channels money to liberal causes across the country — knew which candidates deserved donations.

...

In 2002, Kenneth Blackwell raised almost $1.6 million for his race while his Democratic challenger raised about $400,000. Four years later, Democrat Jennifer Brunner — who won the race — and her opponent each raised more than $2 million.

The Brunner candidacy emerged as a small cause célèbre on the left: While only 20 percent of her funding came from out of state, 12 out of the 18 individuals who gave the maximum $10,000 — a list that included Teresa Heinz Kerry — hailed from outside Ohio.

“It was extremely helpful in raising people’s awareness on the importance of having good people occupy the office of secretary of state,” Brunner said. “I received significant support from the SOS Project, which helped me toward the election.”


That is really heartening to read. Especially since it was when the nets called Ohio that we knew Obama was going to be POTUS.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:57 PM
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8. That article is a good one. I'm sorry for not adding any...
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 02:06 PM by YvonneCa
...context to my questions yesterday. I was on my way out the door when I read your post. :) I really hope things are in place to resolve the election in Georgia successfully...whoever wins.

My SOS question came both from the 2000 and 2004 SOS situation (Harris and Blackwell) who oversaw both elections and were in a position to fight any question of the outcome...including a recount, were it necessary. I agree the suppression stuff is disgusting, but probably not illegal. But there is a huge conflict of interest if any SOS is also chair of the GOP candidate (as was Harris in 2000 and Blackwell in 2004). I think that OUGHT to be made illegal. I know Ohio temporarily resolved that with Jennifer Brunner...and out here in California, Debra Bowen was elected to make sure California's ECV were fair. I don't believe that's a long term fix.

The recount question was because I am unfamiliar with the law in Georgia. Some states require automatic recounts at certain percentages, etc. I learned a lot about Ohio recount law in 2004. :7 They were unable to physically do one, even though one was paid for.

The article you referenced is a good one, because it tells the SOS story well. My feeling on all this 'stolen election' stuff...while I believe it in 2004 and know it probably can't be proven...is that the changes being implemented across the nation (SOS is one example) would not be happening if I was the only concerned person. I think these changes are and will be implemented because the problem reached the awareness of people who KNOW...like THK, Gore, and others in a position to make our system better. And, JMHO, I think they will make it better...probably while avoiding scaring the rest of the country to death about how fragile the process was in 2000 and 2004. At least, that is my great hope.

Here are a couple of links about Video the Vote:

http://www.videothevote.org/


http://www.youtube.com/videoyourvote

http://www.pbs.org/vote2008/2008/10/video-your-vote.html
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 10:33 AM
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13. A link to recent GA 2004 discovery. Not the best story, but a mention.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 07:44 PM
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14. Oops, 2002 theft.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:08 PM
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9. I have morphed into a Concern Troll, unfortunately.
Brace yourself, guys. I think we are going to lose this race. I feel it in my bones. I just can't wait until those damned godawful Chambliss ads stop running on my TV come Dec. 3rd. I just am really down about Georgia, and think if it couldn't pull out a win for us this year, it never will. Too many "Christian Taliban" types along with greedy people who don't want to pay taxes for anything. That and the race divide is still part of our politics here.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:19 PM
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10. I can see this is hard on you. I, too, am always...
...bothered by the selfishness. Some people just seem to lack any empathy at all. :) But there is always hope, beachmom. Just think...Indiana went blue this time. Indiana!

This year may not work out in Georgia...but Obama will be President of ALL the people. And that will have an impact. Yes it will.:patriot:
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:34 PM
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11. The fact that IN, NC, and VA went blue and GA didn't is actually why
I think this state is in such a bad way. The reason why McCain won the state is due to the outer suburbs of Atlanta, where I volunteered. That is the exact opposite of the story in places like Virginia or Pennsylvania. There, the suburbs are what gave Obama wide margins. The dynamics here are just backwards, and not enough Yankees are down here to change the result.

The volunteers in my area are still fired up & ready to go. But I see our work as being ineffectual, except when we dialed different counties. The outer suburbs of Atlanta are where Democrats go to die. That is just how I feel.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 12:16 AM
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12. And that must feel awful. I thank you for...
...all your efforts. But I thank you most of all for caring so much.

I don't know that this is at all related to what you are experiencing, but I have family in a very red state...Kentucky. I had hoped for the best(blue), but expected the worst(red). They even kept Mitch.:) I hoped for the best because Obama is such a good candidate and people like you worked hard on his behalf. I expected the worst because the South is the South...the history is long and hard. I remember a visit in the 80's and one cousin told me 'They're still fighting the Civil War down here.' Some of the politics there probably won't change for a generation, at least.

But Obama will make a difference. So will the work you and the other volunteers have done in 2008. And, if it's not enough this time around, it WILL set the stage for the next time.

Every encounter, every discussion, every smile wears away at the stereotype that Republicans have been selling about us 'liberals'. It may not be enough today...but that doesn't mean it isn't worth doing...or that we shouldn't try.:hug:
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:45 PM
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15. Okay, this is good news. Inner ATL suburbs definitely trending blue:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/printedition/2008/11/09/demburbs.html

In metro Atlanta, Barack Obama accomplished something fellow Democrat John Kerry couldn’t four years ago. He won some of the suburbs.

The Democratic president-elect carried Douglas, Newton and Rockdale counties. Kerry, in the 2004 presidential election, lost all three to President Bush by huge margins. Obama also ran much closer in Cobb and Gwinnett counties, winning roughly 45 percent of the vote where Kerry only carried a third.

Demographers have long predicted that the steady migration of nonwhite voters into metro Atlanta’s once monolithically Republican suburbs would eventually transform them into politically competitive turf.

To some, Obama’s showing in these counties suggests this transformation might be taking place faster than previously predicted.

“We are just one election cycle away from possible parity between Republicans and Democrats in Gwinnett and Cobb,” said Mark Rountree, a GOP political strategist based in Duluth.

Just a decade ago, Cobb and Gwinnett were twin pillars of Georgia Republicanism, part of a ring of GOP dominance surrounding Democratic DeKalb and Fulton counties. Cobb was home turf to Republican Newt Gingrich, then the U.S. House speaker, the third-highest-ranking elected official in the nation. Back then, Cobb and Gwinnett supplied more votes to Republican candidates running statewide than anywhere else in Georgia.

Tuesday’s results suggest that the suburban GOP doughnut is getting pushed farther out. Republican John McCain won less than 55 percent of the vote in Cobb, Gwinnett and Henry counties. But the Republican won more than three-fourths of the vote in Barrow, Cherokee, Hall and Walton counties.

Cobb and Gwinnett each lost an incumbent GOP legislator to a Democrat. Democrats also picked up a seat on the Cobb school board.

In Gwinnett, a political unknown, Democrat Vincent Passariello, carried 44 percent of the vote against Commission Chairman Charles Bannister, a Republican. Jamil Imran, the Democrat who ran against Bannister in 2004, carried only three of every 10 votes cast.


That'll be funny if a day comes when Newt Gingrich could not be elected to his own old district.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:25 PM
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16. ...
...:)
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