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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:06 AM
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Need JK quote from 2004
A friend who seems to believe everything started with Obama just wrote this:

One sentence stood out to me from Sen. Obama's victory speech in
North Carolina on Tuesday night -- one sentence that moved me, and
that made me remember that, damn it,we really do have someone
different this time (with apologies to fans of John Kerry and/or Al
Gore. Here it is:

"The question, then, is not what kind of campaign they will run; it's
what kind of campaign we will run. It's what we will do to make this
year different. You see, I didn't get into this race thinking that I
could avoid this kind of politics, but I am running for President
because this is the time to end it."


Now, I loved that sentence and that speech, too, and I am so proud of Obama for everything he's done and everything he is, but I can't let that "someone different" go unchallenged, now can I?

So which quote of JK's from the 2004 campaign would you choose to represent just how not different Obama is from our last nominee?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 09:43 AM
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1. Easy - Obama is JOINING Kerry to end the POLITICS that use tactics like swiftboating
Edited on Thu May-08-08 09:46 AM by blm
and the reason Obama COULD say it is because of what Kerry went through with little to no back up from a large part of the Dem party AT THE TIME who sat around ADMIRING the tactic - the Clinton wing of the party.

Send Kerry's speech endorsing Obama - it is APPARENT that the two men have mapped out this strategy together.

We know Kerry's help to Obama started long before his public endorsement - and Obama is doing well using many of the same themes and mature tenor that Kerry put forward in 2003-4. The difference is this is a postSchiavo America. It's a postKatrina America. It's a postIraqiCivilWar America. It's a postTHREEBUCKSAGALLON America.

Big difference.
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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:05 AM
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2. Absolutely right!
Edited on Thu May-08-08 10:06 AM by Luftmensch067
And thanks, blm! :-) I ended up using this quote from his DNC speech, thanks to Noisy Democrat:

In the weeks ahead, let's be optimists, not just opponents. Let's build
unity in the American family, not angry division. Let's honor this nation's
diversity. Let's respect one another. And let's never misuse for political
purposes the most precious document in American history, the Constitution of
the United States. My friends, the high road may be harder, but it leads to
a better place. And that's why Republicans and Democrats must make this
election a contest of big ideas, not small-minded attacks.

This is our time to reject the kind of politics calculated to divide race
from race, region from region, group from group.

Maybe some just see us divided into those red states and blue states, but I
see us as one America: red, white and blue.

And when I am president, the government I lead will enlist people of talent,
Republicans as well as Democrats, to find the common ground, so that no one
who has something to contribute to our nation will be left on the sidelines.


but I'll be sure to bring up your points as well. I think this is a song we'll all be singing for a while. In this case, people have not only forgotten history, they didn't understand it in the first place...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:24 AM
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3. I bet if you posted this as a who said this on GD, it would be interesting
Edited on Thu May-08-08 10:24 AM by karynnj
This is where Kerry and Obama do share a huge amount of common ground. From this, you can see why Kerry picked Obama for the keynote speech. Obama's speech - which was Obama's - was entirely consistent with the "key note" that Kerry would want emphasized.

Really nice find from Noisy Democrat!
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:21 AM
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4. Funny, you mention a line of contension:
Maybe some just see us divided into those red states and blue states, but I
see us as one America: red, white and blue.


http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/June-2007/The-Speech/index.php?cp=3&si=2

During one practice session, a Kerry speechwriter interrupted to say that Obama would need to rephrase or cut one of the lines from his speech because it was too similar to a line in Kerry's acceptance remarks. The line in question was the climax to Obama's famous passage on the red-states, blue-states divide. That passage, as Obama delivered it, reads: "The pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue states-red states for Republicans, blue states for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don't like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the red states. We coach Little League in the blue states and, yes, we've got some gay friends in the red states." Axelrod says Obama had originally written the passage to end with something like, "We're not red states and blue states; we're all Americans, standing up together for the red, white, and blue." But to satisfy Kerry's speechwriters, Axelrod says, Obama grudgingly cut out the line. A transcript of Kerry's competing text reads: "Maybe some just see us divided into those red states and blue states, but I see us as one America: red, white, and blue."

After the rehearsal ended, Obama was furious. "That fucker is trying to steal a line from my speech," he griped to Axelrod in the car on the way back to their hotel, according to another campaign aide who was there but asked to remain anonymous. Axelrod says he does not recollect exactly what Obama said to him. "He was unhappy about it, yeah," he says, but adds that Obama soon cooled down. "Ultimately, his feeling was: They had given him this great opportunity; who was he to quibble over one line?"

Convention officials confirm that Obama was told to change his line, but they could not say for sure if Kerry-or, more likely, his speechwriters-had pilfered it. Still, several convention officials who spoke on condition of anonymity say pilfering happened elsewhere. Take the line "I'm John Kerry, and I'm reporting for duty," the opening words of Kerry's speech, which he delivered with a crisp military salute. That line, insiders say, was originally in a speech written by Max Cleland, the former senator from Georgia who had lost three limbs in Vietnam. After Kerry's team read Cleland's remark, they decided to appropriate it. "They stole that line," says one official. "They said to Cleland: ‘Guess what: Kerry likes your closing line so much he wants to use it.'" The official added, "I don't believe that was the case with Obama; I have to take them at their word that the line was already in Kerry's speech."


I like this story (hey, so Obama called Kerry (or the Kerry speechwriter) a "f***er", sounds like he would get along just fine with a sailor. :)), because it shows that when Kerry says they're from "the same DNA", this is evidence that it's true. I think it possible that the two of them literally came up with almost the same exact line (or Bob Shrum, who was channeling Kerry after all). When I first read the story, I was a bit upset at this "quibble", but now I am realizing it showed how similarly the two thought about things. And not with one above the other. I think Kerry is the superior on foreign policy matters, but on this basic theme of what kind of politics we should practice, they are in full agreement, having evolved those ideas independently.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:02 PM
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5. They also share a gifted speech writer
Edited on Thu May-08-08 02:02 PM by TayTay
John Favreau got his start with Sen. Kerry and is now with Sen. Obama.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/84756
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:13 PM
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6. Here's a nice NY Times article on him
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:19 PM
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7. The think is the underlying concept IS very obvious
with red and blue common terminology and red, white and blue being America. (Hey even the musical Hair - had a line "crazy for the red, white and blue."

I had heard the Cleland story - given everything I've heard of them, He likely would have gladly given Kerry every line he wrote.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:48 PM
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8. Great & very interesting story
Is the "same DNA" an actual quote from Kerry? I do not remember.... As to not quibbling, yes, indeed, he was given a great opportunity, and the end of this great story will hopefully soon be President Obama. History has some strange twists and turns...
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:18 PM
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9. Well, it was in reference to foreign policy, but still, great quote:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=4d59656c-ac34-4e87-9fe9-9ae37b2e2653

According to the longtime friend, Kerry feels like he and Obama are "programmed from the same foreign policy DNA."
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