Will McCain run in 2008? LittleClarkie, Mrs.Kerry, Kleebsta, etc...Please

[elshiva]

I think all Kerrycrats must consider this now that Cheney says he won't run.
Don't like McCain after the 2004 sell-out to Bush and abandonment of Kerry (but I do give him credit for railing against the Swifties). However, I believe McCain should have got the Repub nomination in 2000 because he was the least evil of the Repub candidates and actually had experience in war while the rest were rather wimpy.
That said I wouldn't like him to run again. He ain't too popular among Repubs. Freepers hate him. And he looks tired and sickly.
I would appreciate your take on the whole McCain question as Kerrycrats. I'm signing off DU now.

"I'm like Luke Skywalker trying to get out of the Deathstar."- John McCain during his 2000 campaign, heard it on Moore's "The Awful Truth" TV show. What the hell was he talking about.

[saracat]

1. As he is my senator, I will go first. I don't think he will run.

I think he has sold himself to the devil and he is done. Stick a fork in him! JMHO

[LittleClarkie]

2. I think he thinks he can, but they will never let him get the nom

For me, he's too erratic. It's like he has a split personality. I liked him alot more before I perceived that he had turned on Kerry. Before that, I thought a runoff between him and Kerry would be the nicest, most issue driven, least smearing campaign ever. But now, I'm just disgusted with the man.

He did indeed sell what was left of his soul. Bless Kerry's heart, I'm sure he'll eventually take the man back, but I'm just so disgusted with McCain's "I've grown weary of Kerry's mention of our 'friendship' " statement. What an ass.

[GRLMGC]

5. "I've grown weary of Kerry's mention of our 'friendship' "

That's harsh.

[Vektor]

21. HE SAID THAT?!!!!!!!

Can you show me a source? I am not doubting you - but I want to see it myself. I used to really like McCain.

[Hans Delbrook]

22. I have two words for him

And when he's done doing that he can go hug shrub again. The "man" who savaged him and his wife. What an ass.

[elshiva]

14. Some "friendship" alright!

McCain is a frikkin' backstabber, he has the nerve to act as if Kerry broke it off when Kerry offered him the VP spot! McCain does not know a good deal when he sees it. I wouldn't trust McCain to be president or even Senator, even though I did co-sponsor his environmental bill (for the environment's sake let's put away differences for a second). I think he's got a lot of nerve to do bipartisanship stuff with Lieberman and Feingold after his crap.
How old is McCain anyway? Why does he blink funny like that? Is it because of Vietnam?

[ginnyinWI]

3. how old is he, anyway? and is he healthy enough for a run? n/t

[JI7]

4. if he is the Republican Nominee he will win easily

the only question is whether he will run and how he will do in the primary. and mccain actually DOES have a conservative record, he isn't a moderate as many think he is so he might have a chance of winning the primary.

[JohnKleeb]

6. hahaha kleebsta?

Do you call me that because you know my AIM SN? I dont know if McCain will run or not, hes not well liked by the general republican populace I gather, same with Hagel, I know a conservative who hates him because of his maverickness.

[elshiva]

15. Good point, Kleeb about the repub populace.

I once went to Freeperville and the bloggers presented a mean story about Rumsfailed telling off McCain. All the freepers were cheering on Rumsfailed! They preceive McCain as a wimp and Rummy as "cool."

[Pirate Smile]

7. I think he kissed Bush's ass during the 2004 campaign because he does

want to run in '08 but I don't think he will get the nomination. I also think he will be pretty old by then.

RW Republicans don't trust him.

If he sold out to Bush thinking he will help him get the nomination, he is a fool. Bush only likes blind loyalists and McCain isn't one.

If he does get the nomination, he would probably win.

I thought he was incredibly UN-supportive of Kerry during the SB Liars crap.

I used to like him. Now, he makes me sick.

[JohnKleeb]

8. Of the many so called mavericks in the senate on the GOP side

I like Hagel better than McCain. Maybe I am biased because Ive met Hagel once but he seemed to me to be a guy who had some principles that said, it would be worse for me if someone like Frist were president than Hagel.

[JI7]

9. you are right, he was very UN supportive and didn't condemn it

all he did was make some stupid weak comment like "i don't support it".

but nothing like Kerry did when he got other vietnam vet senators to sign a letter which condemned the attacks. and Kerry did this years AFTER mccain had first attacked him when he ran for senate in 1984 for protesting the war.

and one of the reasons hagel didn't condemn the attacks was because hagel himself wants to run for president.

[JohnKleeb]

10. Hagel won't win their primaries, hes not a christian right person

Yep Kerry did that after McCain first condemned him in '84. Amazing how we're tricked in to believing that Kerry is some jerk when he's really a class act.

[Pirate Smile]

11. I kind of like Hagel too so I don't think the RW would like or trust him.

They will probably like Frist or George Allen.

[JohnKleeb]

12. A George Allen, he's my senator

Hes awful. Yes Hagel is a traditional conservative, not a member of the fundie wing of the party which is mostly in the south though interestingly enough the midwest too which Hagel is a part of.

[elshiva]

13. Dr. Bill "Catkiller" Frist, yuck!

Oh I hope not. Frist is so RW, so awful. Do you really know if he has presidential ambitions?

[Pirate Smile]

17. He may not run for the Senate in 2006 so he can run for President.

From what I've seen, he is definitely running for President.

[elshiva]

19. Not running for Senate, hmmm?

Then we will be rid of him, thank God. I don't think he can be prez, just a complete bastard with none of Dubya's cHarm.

[elshiva]

16. Too bad, I'm tired of the Christian right.

Why does a the prez have to be a RW protestant Christian, anyways?

[Pirate Smile]

18. I agree. I'm Catholic and voted for the Catholic in this race (obviously)

This RW fundy stuff is really foreign to me. Born again? What the hell does that mean? I was born just fine the first time.

The entire take-over of politics by religion is weird to me.

Catholics don't wear their religion on their sleeve and to me Kerry seems like a perfectly normal Catholic. I don't trust people who spout off about how religious or moral, etc. they are - actions, not words count. Plus you are supposed to do it because it is right, not for bragging rights.

Did you see this

Ark. Votes Against Church-State Proposal

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- The state House on Friday voted against affirming the separation of church and state in a resolution brought by a legislator who said he was fed up with a religious undertone at the Capitol.

The House voted 44-39 against the proposal. Only two Republicans voted for it, and one of them, Rep. Jim Medley, said he had intended to vote no but didn't get to his machine in time to change his vote.

Democratic Rep. Buddy Blair said he offered the measure because he was tired of conservative colleagues "making every issue into a religious issue."

"It's unbelievable to me. They have just voted against the U.S. Constitution and the constitution of the state of Arkansas," Blair said.
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"It's clear that our founding fathers, that they wanted Christian beliefs," Lamoureu R) said. "The separation of church and state is not in our Constitution."
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-church-and-state,0,3818843.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1249333

I'm going to bed so I'll talk to you tomorrow, elshiva.
:hi:

[elshiva]

20. The Arkansas stuff is sick. I thought the separation of

church and state was an American value? Aren't we supposed to be a democracy not a theocracy?
Religion is important, but I don't see why it has to be a part of government or that one can legislate a belief.
What impresses me about Democratic leaders like JK, Edwards, and Dean is that they do have a strong religious faith that they translate into helping people without health care, the impoverished, and the gay people. It's like when Jesus said, "Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to me." A great way to live your faith. Very Jimmy Carter...