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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 09:30 PM
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If you didn't catch Olbermann tonight, I highly recommend you try
later. He was wicked awesome, calling * out for his call for 'sacrifice'. Righteous rant, one of his best!
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 09:31 PM
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1. It was excellent! n/t
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 09:48 PM
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2. It was really amazing.
KO said it flat out, this surge will get Americans killed. There is no overall strategy, no plan, no 'noble cause' other than the fact that Bush doesn't want to lose a war. So, many will die so that Bush's ego doesn't have to take a hit.

Sigh! Exactly so, Keith, exactly so.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 10:17 PM
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3. It should be plain to everyone
that there is no plan, never has been, and if there was, the boneheads running this thing would have effed it up anyway.

As pointed out in an op-ed in today's Financial Times, there might (maybe) be a valid rationale for sending more troops to finally get it right in Iraq - but a) it would take a lot more than Bush is calling for, and we just don't have them, and b) he's just going to f**k it up anyway so what's the point, except to get more people killed? (okay that's heavily paraphrased but that's what it said)

Also interesting in today's FT was that in their editorial, the title referred to Saddam's execution as a "lynching." FT may not be the WSJ, but that still raised my eyebrows.
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europegirl4jfk Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:44 PM
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4. Am I paranoid or does he just sound like Kerry in parts of his comment?
I watched it online and also read the transcript. Here are some snippets where I think he sounds like Kerry.

...This senseless, endless war. But it has not been senseless in two ways. It has succeeded, Mr. Bush, in enabling you to deaden the collective mind of this country to the pointlessness of endless war, against the wrong people, in the wrong place, at the wrong time...

...But this country has already lost in Iraq, sir. Your policy in Iraq has already had its crushing impact on our safety here. You have already fomented new terrorism and new terrorists. You have already stoked paranoia. You have already pitted Americans, one against the other. We… will have to live with it. We… will have to live with what — of the fabric of our nation — you have already "sacrificed." The only object still admissible in this debate, is the quickest and safest exit for our people there. But you — and soon, Mr. Bush, it will be you and you alone – still insist otherwise. And our sons and daughters and fathers and mothers will be sacrificed there tonight, Sir, so that you can say you did not "lose in Iraq."...



Maybe there are more similarities but especially the end of the second paragraph seems to come straight from Kerry's 1971 SFRC testimony:

Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Vietnam someone has to give up his life so that the United States doesn't have to admit something that the entire world already knows, so that we can't say they we have made a mistake. Someone has to die so that President Nixon won't be, and these are his words, "the first President to lose a war."

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 12:12 AM
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5. I thought he would be quoting Kerry on something. It seemed to me
he was leading up to it.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 12:41 AM
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6. Great catch! No wonder he's (they're both) so precious. Perhaps
Olbermann needs to see your post! Here you go, if you want. I've sent multiples tonight!



1. viewerservices@msnbc.com
2. letters@msnbc.com
3. countdown@msnbc.com
4. KOlbermann@msnbc.com
5. dabrams@msnbc.com
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