Is Olbermann actually covering part of the NH speech?

[globalvillage]

He just put up video of the Senator and Bill Clinton each taking it to Bush.

[fedupinBushcountry]

1. Frank Rich

can go fly a kite. I hate these pundits.

[globalvillage]

2. Yes, but he did say

He didn't think Clinton-McCain was a given, and that's refreshing at least.
I don't really think either will run.

[babylonsister]

3. He was talking about the 'political viagra' Dems seem to have

found by calling this admin on their lies. I was happy to see that profiled, especially with Senator Kerry.

[karynnj]

4. I doidn't see it - but that makes sense

The Senator, of course, never stopped holding Bush accountable. But if the story Rich needs, is that Kerry has broken out of his dignified, polite, good behavior to call Bush on his lies, it's ok if he starts to treat Kerry with some respect.

[whometense]

5. It was worth watching.

It was the first segment, and even though I loathe Frank Rich, there were a lot of mentions of Kerry. Basically the story was, Clinton and Kerry get in-your-face.

Keith quoted the beginning of Kerry's NH speech - "lie, lie, lie, and lie" - and he quoted it admiringly.

Then Frank Rich talked about how tough it would be for Kerry to win the nomination again - that "fresh face" crap that always makes me think of America's Next Top Model. :grr:

[karynnj]

6. What is strange is that none of the top contenders

on the Democratic side are fresh faces. Hillary, likely the most known Democratic woman for 14 years, Gore, very well known for 14 years, Kerry, the Presidential nominee last time, Edwards the VP nominee. Biden, seen on TV constantly since at least the early 80s - 20 + years.

Bayh who is second tier (and not likely to intriegue Rich) is the the closest to a new face - unless Obama really does take off. Clark was new in 2004, but not real new now. Am I missing someone? Can we steal your then new Governor? Rich doesn't need experience!

[whometense]

9. I know. Sigh.

I just think that has to be the stupidest meme EVER - even worse than the "have a beer with" question.

Why on earth should a president be chosen from among people you don't know?

What earthly good would it do to hire someone who is by definition inexperienced to the most complex and powerful job on the planet?

I know I'm preaching to the converted here, but of all the half-baked, asinine, ludicrous talking points, that one has to be right at the top.

[sandnsea]

10. Except 'go with the devil you know'

which is also given as the reason people went with Bush, but somehow that doesn't apply to knowing Kerry. The knowing party, not the devil part.

I sure don't know what it is about JK that so many people go out of their way to thoroughly trash him. Just weird.

[whometense]

12. I don't get it either.

I really don't. I do think that the answer may be integrity, integrity, integrity.

People who don't have any are seriously threatened by someone who does. Or maybe it's that people are so cynical that they can't comprehend someone who doesn't put their own self-interest first.

[TayTay]

7. Good for Keith

I do think that this is what will matter going forward.

Sen. Kerry has supporters. We know his speeches are either sold-out or given to overflow crowds. (Didn't Pepperdine regret not putting him in a bigger hall. Didn't the SC appearance result with 250 people being turned away and they ran out of food? Wasn't the NH dinner sold-out and significant enough to warrant live time on C-Span?)

This guy is relevent and lives to fight into 2007. His voice and his very strong opposition to the present Republican course on Iraq is about the strongest opposition being voiced in America today. That alone gives him a lot of power and a reason for people to tune in and listen. I think that will start to get some respect.

I have a hunch that 2008 is going to be another 'hot' election that will be about the issues. And there is no more serious issue in America today than Iraq and all that it entails. I know who is actually saying something about Iraq and who is fiddling around with consultants and 'playing to the middle' crap and so forth. The difference matters and will matter more and more as time goes on.

[whometense]

8. Oh! I almost forgot to mention

that Keith talked about Kerry's "multiple standing ovations"!!!!

[YvonneCa]

11. I agree...

...it will be a 'hot' election in 2008. I also think, that while it is important that we have a strong candidate, the country needs a person who demonstrates strong presidential leadership skills and foreign policy experience this time around. I don't think Edwards and Obama are ready. John Kerry is MORE THAN ready.

What bothered me about Frank Rich on Countdown was his implication that this 'speaking out' by Senator Kerry was new. Here is my e-mail to the show:


>>>>>>>>>


Keith,

Thank you for your interview with Frank Rich...I am a huge fan of his. I respect and value his experience and insights (and yours, too) immensely.

I also support John Kerry as President of the United States...the sooner, the better. I disagree with part of your discussion tonight, because I think it negates the work Senator Kerry has been doing since 2004. He could have just sat back and enjoyed a cushy life as a U. S. Senator...but he didn't. He has LEAD an effort to unify Democrats to win back Congress this year. He has LEAD an effort to end the War in Iraq. He has also been RELENTLESS in standing up to BAD Republican ideas.

Knowing how outspoken you have been about the mistakes of the Bush Administration, I can't imagine that you haven't been to johnkerry.com recently. If you haven't, I hope you (and Frank Rich) will do so and listen to EVERY SINGLE speech...all the way through (including the Q and A). Then go to pepperdine.edu and listen to his speech on faith and politics. This is what we need from a real PRESIDENT. John Kerry intends to unify this country...when elected...and we need to help him do it. :)

>>>>>>>>>>


:patriot:

[whometense]

13. terrific letter!

well said. :-)

[YvonneCa]

14. Thank you...

...Keith has become a strong voice, with that megaphone of his. And it seems he does his research well. I just want to be sure he doesn't overlook anything important.;)

[TayTay]

15. Excellent letter Yvonne

You hit all the right points. Nice work.

[YvonneCa]

16. Thanks...

...TayTay. And, while I'm at it, thank you for all you do to get information to people like me...WAAAAY out here in Ca. :7

[MBS]

17. thanks, Yvonne!

great suggestion to have him check out the johnkerry.com website, and especially to watch the pepperdine speech. (Hope his computer can access better than mine could, though. I never could get that link to work .)

And I loved your general message. Good job!

[YvonneCa]

20. You're welcome...

...I just think people have to KNOW the kind of President Kerry could be...then they'll be SOLD !:patriot:

[wisteria]

19. Good letter. I will do one tomorrow. This is what we need to do.

We still have his back.

[YvonneCa]

21. I'm glad you're writing one, too...

...it seems Keith DOES listen.:patriot:

[karynnj]

22. Great letter

I actually think it may simply be that Rich wants to keep his erroneous opinions on Kerry. Likely Kerry doesn't amuse him as much as Hillary and Bill do.

[YvonneCa]

27. Could be true...

...but we can't let anyone get away with that. Playing politics may be fun and 'par for the course' (and I know it's what the TV folks do), but this election is too critical to the country to allow it to go unchallenged. That's how 'charisma' will win over substance. I'd rather elect Kerry...he has both!:7


:patriot: P.S. Thank you!

[_dynamicdems]

23. The snarky bastard also stole Kerry's line about Katrina pulling back

the curtain and there being no wizard. He said "Wizard of Oz" but big deal: he still stole Kerry's analogy without giving credit. He smirked when he did it too.

[globalvillage]

25. I caught that, too. n/t

[karynnj]

26. That is annoying -and shows a lack of integrity

especially when he then knocks Kerry's way of speaking. The media also took his "outsourcing the effort" on Tora Bora as well. Kerry clearly has a way with words - that was there even in his journal.

[YvonneCa]

28. Call 'em on it...

...if enough people do that, they will stop.:patriot:

[wisteria]

18. What a bunch of bull. What fresh faces are running? Obama is the

only fresh face mentioned. How can they even say this with a straight face when they continually mention an old face like Senator Clinton? I am sick of all the negatives that are based on old tired assessments. We need to chart new ground and actually nominate and elect someone who can actually run this country effectively-someone actually qualified and passionate and caring enough to take this county forward and to come closer to reaching our potential. It is absolutely astounding this pundits all sound the same. All the negative and none of the positives. I want to know why they never focus on the positives of another Kerry run. They surely outnumber the old worn out negatives.

By the time the media gets done promoting Senator Clinton and Senator McCain on a daily bases, they will be the oldest faces in politics. Does that mean they shouldn't run either?

[_dynamicdems]

24. I agree! Fresh, ha!

Nothing fresh about Edwards or Clark even though we constantly hear that they are the new faces of 2008. Say what? Didn't they both lose to Kerry? And an Obama candidacy would sink like a stone. He's just too green. There are a couple of other longshots who are fresh faces, but nobody is giving them very good odds either.

And then we have those new old faces: Dodd, Biden, Clinton, Gore. They wouldn't be fresh unless we borrowed a time machine and went back a couple of decades.

And then there's John McCain. He is one of the oldest faces in politics in more ways than one.

[beachmom]

30. Can somebody tell Joe Klein and Time magazine that?

Got my copy in the mail yesterday (it's a free subscription -- I certainly wouldn't pay for their blather). What planet are they living on?

[ProSense]

29. A snip from Olbermann

Keith Olbermann highlights John Kerry's New Hampshire speech on Countdown with Keith Olbermann