Fresh ammo!

[onager]

Here's a good(and pretty lengthy) article at the Secular Humanism website:

The Great Scandal: Christianity's Role in the Rise of the Nazis by Gregory S. Paul

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/paul_23_4.html

I've been looking for this kind of stuff after jumping into some of the Nazi-Pope-apologist threads.:evilgrin:

On the way home from work today, I also indulged in some Recreational Xianity by tuning in the local Fundie-Nut radio station. (Also a good way to keep tabs on what they're up to.) That's KKLA-FM, which really needs one more "K" in its call sign to be Fair And Balanced.

In this case, I was able to have a laugh and feel a little better about the coming potential theocracy. The show featured a "Professor" somebody indulging in a lot of Catholic bashing, especially when he got around to taking phone calls from the mouth-breathers out in Radioland.

I don't think the Fundies and Catholics will ever be able to get their shit together. With any luck, they'll turn on each other before they get around to us non-believers.

[beam me up scottie]

1. Excellent reference, Onager.

I didn't finish it because I have to beat my cats and then hit the hay. (there is a fly in my house and they are currently in the process of destroying my kitchen trying to catch it)

I had that website bookmarked but had forgotten about it until just now. I'm going to read the rest of it tomorrow.

Boy, being a godless, evil, pope-hating, anti-religious, low down, despicable rubber chicken wearing atheist sure is hard work.

[Beetwasher]

4. "Rubber Chicken Wearing"?????

I'd pay a dollar to see that! :evilgrin:

[beam me up scottie]

5. There is a picture below:

Onager told me that's one of the perks I get when I join the E.A.C.
(Evil Atheist Conspiracy) online.

Details here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=263x5399#5406

[Gelliebeans]

2. great read onager

I've bookmarked that page for future reference somehow I missed it because I already had council for secular humanism on my faves :hi:

[bling bling]

3. Have you ever seen THIS? Warning -- ugly.

Have you ever heard of Martin Luther? Throughout the rise of the Nazi's, many people, looking for Christian-related ammo to bolster anti-semitism, studied Martin Luther.

On the Jews and Their Lies
By Martin Luther

"First, their synagogues or churches should be set on fire, and whatever does not burn up should be covered or spread over with dirt so that no one may ever be able to see a cinder or stone of it.
And this ought to be done for the honour of God and of Christianity in order that God may see that we are Christians, and that we have not wittingly tolerated or approved of such public lying, cursing and blspheming of His Son and His Christians

...Secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed. For they perpetrate the same things there that they do in their synagogues. For this reason they ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like gypsies, in order that they may realise that they are not masters in our land, as they boast, but miserable captives, as they complain of us incessantly before God with bitter wailing.

Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayerbooks and Talmuds in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are tought.

Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more

...Fifthly, passport and traveeling privileges should be absolutely forbidden to the Jews. For they have no business in the rural districts since they are not nobles, nor officials, nor merchants, nor the like. Let them stay at home.

Sixthly, they ought to be stopped from usury. All their cash and valuables of silver and gold out to be taken from from them and put aside for safekeeping. For this reason, as said before, everything that they possess they stole and robbed from us through their usury, for they have no other means of support...Such evilly acquired money is cursed, unless, with God's blessing, it is put to some good and necessary use

...Seventhly, let the young and strong Jews and Jewesses be given the flail, the axe, the hoe, the spade, the distaff and spindle and let them earn their bread by the sweat of their noses as is enjoined upon Adam's children. For it is not proper that they should want us cursed Goyyim to work in the sweat of our brow and that they, pious crew, idle away their days at the fireside in laziness, feasting and display. And in addition to this, they boast impiously that they have become masters of the Christians at our expense.

We ought to drive the rascally lazy bones out of our system. If, however, we are afraid that they might harm us personally, or our wives, children, servants, cattle etc, when they serve us or work for us -- since it is surely to be presumed that such noble lords of the world and poisonous bitter worms are not accustomed to any work and would very unwillingly humble themselves to such a degree among the cursed Goyyim - then let us apply the same cleverness as the other nations, such as France, Spain, Bohemia, etc. and settle with them for that which they have extorted usuriously from us, and after having divided it up fairly let us drive them out of the country for all time. For, as has been said, God's rage is so great against them that they only become worse and worse through mild mercy, and not much better through severe mercy.

Therefore away with them...To sum up, dear princes and nobles who have Jews in your domains, if this advice of mine does not suit you, then find a better one so that you and we may be free of this insufferable devilish burden -- the Jews.

Source: Sources of Western Tradition, 4th Edition. Volume One. From Ancient Times to the Enlightenment. Perry, Peden, Von Laue. P. 321-322.

[progressoid]

6. yeah, Luther was a loon

My Mother-in-law is studying to be some kind of lay minister or something. I thumbed through a couple of her "texts". I noticed a glaring absence of some of his crazier remarks.

[onager]

7. Anybody else seen the movie?

That's "Luther," with Joseph Fiennes playing him. Should be available at your local video joint. It's fairly new.

I got that Sinking Feeling when I saw the opening credits: "Lutheran Somebody-Or-Other Inc. Presents..." I think that was telling me the Lutheran church fronted the production money, or some of it.

So, as you might have guessed, NONE of Luther's hateful rants about Jews or women are in the movie. Pretty good depictions of the greedy and corrupt Catholic clergy, though. Alfred Molina has a small but great part as Tetzel, the seller of indulgences. ("Free your beloved relatives from Purgatory NOW...")

For us non-believers, probably the best parts come late in the movie, after Luther has ignited religious wars all across Germany. It's an excellent reminder of how firm a grip religious insanity has on the minds of too many people. In that century and this one!

At one point, he walks through the still-smoking ruins of a town, stepping around the corpses of men, women and children lying in the streets. His facial expression says: "Well, I never thought THIS would happen..."

[progressoid]

8. I think she OWNS that movie.

I don't know if I could stomach watching it.