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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:01 PM
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Joan Didion's Excellent Article About the Schiavo Case

Noted author Joan Didion wrote "The Case of Terri Schiavo," published in the New York Review of Books of June 9, 2005, an article which presents a lot of information about the case and the people involved, discusses public reaction, and looks at the philosophical questions involved.

A major question that every disabled person is aware of is how much pressure will be put on the disabled to "go ahead and die, stop being a burden on others." Anyone who requires regular medical care could be construed as a burden on others, a burden on society.

Didion's article should be read in its entirety for the facts it presents. Many questionable "facts" were alleged both by those who thought Terri should die and those who thought Terri should live.


Quotes from Didion's article:

"Theresa Schiavo was taken to Humana Northside Hospital in St. Petersburg, where she stayed three months, at first in a coma. We do not know from either the Humana Northside discharge summary or the later coverage how this coma was scored on the Glasgow Coma Scale, which ranks eye, verbal, and motor response on a combined range from three to fifteen, "GCS three" signifying that the patient has no response and "GCS fifteen" that he or she can speak in an oriented way, open the eyes spontaneously, and obey motor commands."

(Note: Terri emerged from coma after three months into the generally unresponsive state in which she remained as long as she lived. What was that state?)

"A few neurologists, in what would be the last months of Theresa Schiavo's life, began to say that her condition could be a "minimally conscious state," a diagnosis in use only since 2002 to differentiate those patients previously diagnosed as vegetative who can track objects or people with their eyes and seem intermittently able to respond to commands. Early in March, at the request of the Florid Department of Children and Families, which was seeking custody of Theresa Schiavo, she was seen by neurologist from the Mayo Clinic's Florida hospital William P. Cheshire, the director of Mayo's Autonomic Reflex Laboratory. Some doctors and bioethicists with interests in the matter suggested that, as a conservative Christian, Dr. Cheshire brought a bias to the case, but his affidavit seemed to raise questions not before widely addressed. He noted that the patient had not had complete neurological examination in nearly three years had never had such advanced testing as positron emission tomography (PET) or functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), and that in the absence of such examination and imaging there remained "huge uncertainties" about her neurological status."

"Functional magnetic resonance imaging in particular has enabled neuroscientists to detect brain activity in patients previously diagnosed as being in persistent vegetative states. According to Dr. Joseph Fins, chief of the medical ethics division at New York Presbyterian Hospital–Weill Cornell Medical Center, one study suggested that as many as 30 percent of vegetative patients studied were in fact minimally conscious. On the basis of the ninety minutes Dr. Cheshire spent with Theresa Schiavo, he suggested that she could well be found to fit the more recent "minimally conscious" diagnosis. He observed that she held his gaze for about thirty seconds, smiled when she heard familiar voices or piano music, and seemed in the changing pitch of her vocalization to be communicating "emotional thought within her brain." Neurologists who had previously examined her described such responses as reflexive.

"Theresa Schiavo was repeatedly described as "brain dead." This was inaccurate: those whose brains are dead are unable even to breathe, and can be kept alive only on ventilators. She was repeatedly described as "terminal." This too was inaccurate. She was "terminal" only in the sense that her husband had obtained a court order authorizing the removal of her feeding tube; her actual physical health was such that she managed to stay alive in a hospice, in which only palliative treatment is given and patients without antibiotics often die of the pneumonia that accompanies immobility or the bacteremia that accompanies urinary catheterization, for five years."

(Note: Michael Schiavo refused to allow Terri to have a PET scan or an fMRI to determine if she was in fact in a "minimally conscious state," a diagnosis not yet in use in 1990 when she suffered cardiac arrest for unknown reasons and was revived by paramedics. He refused to use the latest technology to evaluate her condition.

A neurologist from Cleveland appointed by the Florida court testified in an evidentiary hearing in 2002 that she was not diagnosed as having had a myocardial infarction aka "heart attack," as was often alleged.)

It was never proven that Terri would have wanted to die in her situation. The judge chose to take the word of Michael Schiavo and his family over the word of Terri's family.

I oppose euthanasia, and am particularly concerned about "mercy killings" of the disabled carried out without the patient's consent, but support people making choices about what care they personally should receive in certain situations. I gave my husband a medical power of attorney the last time I had major surgery so he could make decisions in accordance with my wishes if anything went wrong during the surgery. Earlier that year, his mother had died of ALS. After talking it over with the neurologist, she had refused a feeding tube and we all thought she had made the best choice in her circumstances. We and the neurologist are Catholic.



Read the entire article at:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18050

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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:02 PM
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1. someone should forward this to fred before the debate tonight . . .
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:36 PM
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3. It would be nice if people read the article before commenting. nt
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:13 PM
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4. your point being . . . .
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:46 PM
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6. You could not have read Didion's article in one minute; you posted
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 02:46 PM by DemBones DemBones
one minute after I posted the OP. I'm unsure that you could have read my OP before posting.

Perhaps you'd like to explain your point about sending the article to Fred before the debate. I took it as a snarky comment. Am I wrong?
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:52 PM
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7. snarky with respect to Fred
I guess you have not followed his rather lame campaign so far.

But a couple of weeks ago, he claimed no knowledge of the Schiavo incident.

"The newest Republican presidential candidate appeared to stumble on Friday while campaigning in Florida. Fred Thompson appeared as if he didn't remember the national controversy surrounding the euthanasia death of Terri Schiavo and presented mixed views on whether Congress should have gotten involved. "

http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_n37/idn2007.09.15.13.12.22.html

I was only suggesting it as a resource for Fred prior to the debate today. You are aware there is a GOP debate today????
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:23 PM
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8. Okay, I had NOT heard about Fred's fumbling for facts. Odd.

I did know about the debate.

Whenever we have discussed this case as a disability issue here in the Disability Forum, we've had some snarky comments and downright nasty ones from DUers unwilling to see this as a disability issue.

Many disabled people see the case as a disturbing precedent since her husband refused to allow a number of tests that could have shown if she had minimal consciousness instead of being "a vegetable" (a term we don't care for, either. If you read though the OP, you know what I'm talking about, I think.

When you responded so quickly and said I should send the article to Fred, I thought you were being snarky that way, suggesting I thought like Fred. Perish the thought.

Sorry for misunderstanding your comment. :hi:
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:23 PM
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2. I am positive my husband would not have wanted to live
as Terri Shiavo was living. In fact, he told me so this morning. I would not have wanted to "live" the way Terri did either. I think that 99.99% of people would agree with my husband and me. I think it's easier to keep someone else alive artificially than to agree to have yourself kept alive artificially.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:42 PM
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5. Three problems:

1) People often think they could not deal with any disability. When they become disabled, they usually decide that they can "live like that" and focus on what they have, not what they don't have. Unless you're disabled, that's difficult to understand.

2) As Didion wrote: "For all the emphasis on the importance of "choice," the only choice generally approved by the culture is to sign the piece of paper, "not be a burden," die. Ronald Dworkin, in the meticulous discussion of euthanasia and the right to die that he undertook in Life's Dominion, pointed out that the person whose care is expensive or burdensome becomes especially vulnerable to such perceived pressure, giving "autonomy" another dimension altogether. . ."

3) As the article stated, research has shown that almost a third of living wills no longer reflect the person's wishes two years after they are made. People change their minds.

Terri, of course, never made a living will. It was claimed that she had said "No tubes for me" while watching a movie and made a similar comment when Michael's grandmother was dying. There is no way to know if she had thought the issue through seriously or if those were offhand comments -- or if she made the comments at all. It was hearsay testimony from Michael and his family, with her family and friends disagreeing. She was in her early twenties, when death seems a long way away and very frightening.

After seeing a depiction of a dreadful childbirth in a movie, or hearing someone tell about her awful labor and delivery, a lot of young women say "I'll never have a baby" but later they change their minds and have children.

Because Michael Schiavo became angry when he learned that Terri's family was trying to work with her to see if she could communicate with her eyes, and forbade them visiting her, no one knows if she had minimal consciousness and could have communicated her wishes as to whether she wanted to continue living or be allowed to die.


If I were in a state similar to Terri's, I would want to be given the chance to try to communicate, to show whether I was still "home" or not before being starved and dehydrated until I died.

I would have also wanted a test to see if I could swallow.

And I would have wanted the PET scan and fMRI.


Michael forbade Terri to have any of those things. Why? Why didn't he want to know if his wife had any consciousness, if she could communicate at all, if she could swallow, which would have meant she wouldn't need a feeding tube?


Nothing can be done to bring Terri back and do those tests but this case still concerns those of us with disabilities. More than 25 disability rights groups protested the killing of Terri Schiavo because they know that "abled" people think the life of a disabled person is worth little and see this as setting a disturbing precedent. Eugenicists have never respected the right of the "unfit" to live or to reproduce and it seems that eugenics is coming back in fashion.

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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:54 PM
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9. I understand your concern for people with disabilities.
That is a very legitimate concern.

However, Terri Shiavo's case went before state courts several times. The judges were under tremendous pressure to leave Terri hooked up to tubes. The evidence for doing so just wasn't there.

I know that people can't foresee exactly what their own situation will be. But I have been in the hospital many times with my husband. I am no spring chicken and I don't want to lie in bed with tubes down my throat and in my arms and in my bladder for weeks on end, certainly not months and absolutely not years. I have had a good life and I don't fear death that much. If there is life after death, I would rather be with those who have passed on rather than stay here suffering week after week.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:55 AM
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13. So did little Haleigh Poultrie's. They were going to kill her
(pull the plug) per two doctors and the courts. But when they did she breathed on her own and is now responding. Major egg on the face of the docs.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:50 AM
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10. And don't forget, he had her cremated
All the easier to hide physical evidence....
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:53 AM
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12. I am thankful to Terri. Because of her, my sister who is going
through a long, nasty divorce after 35 years from her husband, I now have her living will and medical power of attorney in my hands. He is attempting to take everything from her, and should something happen to her it would be a dream come true for him. However, he'd get a real big surprise now.

She also doesn't want to be kept alive on a respirator but has definitely decided she doesn't want to be starved to death, either. I think Terri's case woke a lot of people up, no matter what side you are on, and that's a good thing.

I personally know two people who changed theirs because of that "hydration" thing.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 08:39 PM
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11. Terri was not disabled
She was brain dead.

I have heard a few people from Not Dead Yet say the same thing you have - OMG, everyone wants to kill the disabled!

I have been disabled for twenty one years. In all of those years, no one has ever even hinted at wanting me dead.

Where does your paranoia come from?
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