Homeopathy (???) article (???) science (???)

[Celebration]

I posted this in Health because it is in a medical journal, etc.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x61569

I found it really interesting that they brought up the "memory" of cells and that high antioxidents, in the form of Vitamin C infusions, could erase the (bad) memory of cells. This has to do with diabetes complications. I thought this may have something to do with the "memory" concept in homeopathy.

Does anyone here have any thoughts on this?

It seems this is collaboration of researchers-- University of Oklahoma, and British.

It's the "memory of cells" concept that has me intrigued.

[kentauros]

1. It is intriguing

though I haven't looked at your link yet. I can only imagine how it's being received by the generously open-minded throngs at DU :P

What got me thinking right away is how dietary changes can affect and even eradicate diabetes. How does that then connect with high Vit.C doses? Usually a change in diet to cure diabetes is by going on a strict vegetarian or maybe a vegan diet with plenty of raw food included. You'll get a lot more Vit.C in raw veggies than cooked ones, so that might be part of why it works.

I do feel that as more information comes out about various micro-substances having a "memory" that homeopathy will gain ground in this country for acceptance. It may be a long time coming, but they will eventually accept it.

I rarely see it discussed around here, but basically biodynamic farming is homeopathy for crops and the soil :)

[Delphinus]

3. Homeopathy was practiced

regularly before the AMA came into being.

Also, from what I've read, patients of the 1918 Spanish Influenza who were treated homeopathically had a great survival rate.

[kentauros]

6. Oh, I agree with the evidence

however, the science community isn't going to accept it until they see 100% effectiveness in 100% of the people that use it. Of course, modern pharmaceuticals aren't nearly as effective as that kind of success rate, but because they have "demonstrable results" they are accepted.

As stated elsewhere in this thread, we don't have the instruments to prove or disprove what is truly going on, so therefore, it doesn't work :eyes:

[JanusAscending]

2. I can tell you one thing I'm sure of,

from personal experience. Cells, and especially muscles, have memory. Once when I was seeing my wonderful Chiropractor on a reg. basis, he used an "electic massager" (I don't recall the technical term for the therapy) but it was a heavy blanket type thing he put on my back, set the machine,and left me for about a half hour. It generated HEAT and electrical fingers running up and down my spine. When that was done, and my muscles were relaxed, he came in and did my adjustment. Once or twice after having one of these sessions I went to work the next day, and while standing for a long while at my job, I got the same sensations up and down my spine for a good 2 hrs. (or until I was able to sit down and take a break) I told him about this experience, and he said that none of his other patients had reported this happening to them. I suggested that it might be muscle memory, and he was at a loss for words, but he promised to bring it up at the next symposium he attended!!

[northernlights]

4. cellular "memory" is likely chemically based

I don't think homeopathy relates to vitamin C or other antioxidant infusions. I do love that phytochemistry is finally catching up to Linus Pauling. It annoys me that the NIH and government did so much to try to destroy his reputation.

I suspect homeopathy is more energetic than chemical in its actions. But until it can be tested scientifically (ie until there are instruments sensitive enough to test its actions), who knows? :shrug:

[Celebration]

5. here is what I am wondering

There certainly is cellular memory, but what is the connection between the energetic cellular memory and the "other" kind. They may be quite close. If so, chemicals, in this case vitamin C infusions, could affect energetic memory, and homeopathy could affect the type massage therapists refer to.

Of course, no research on all this, as you say.

:rofl:

From my personal experience experimenting with water--most water is imprinted with all kinds of negative stuff energetically, whether it is out of the faucet or bought in bottles or whatever. Anyone can test this with muscle testing or a pendulum.

You can energetically change water zillions of different ways. One can use intent alone, or do something like putting it on a picture of an Emoto crystallization of water picture. The water immediately changes to muscle test strong.

But you know what else makes it muscle test strong--adding "oxygen" drops. That's right. That would be a chemical way of changing the energetic memory of water.

So, I am just speculating about all this.

[northernlights]

7. I'm just looking forward to a time

when science has progressed to a point where we *can* test these phenomena, because I do believe they are all part of the whole and it's frustrating to only be able to speculate. Same with "string theory" (which technically shouldn't even be called a theory since it can't be tested...for identical reasons, no instrumentation sensitive enough plus outside the range of dimensions we know we can perceive, lol!)

[mother earth]

8. I've read somewhere that our entire body has memory, not just

the brain, our DNA is almost PC-like in the ability to retain memory, and it carries over life to life. I think it's interesting that some claim they can cure certain phobias and medical conditions by doing past life regression to find the source. If it can ever be proven is another thing, but it should no doubt be studied more.

Great thread, Celebration.
Your statement, makes me wonder about the beginnings of prayer before a meal, "blessing" = intention?
Dr. Emoto's work is very interesting.

[Celebration]

9. Exactly

I used to think that blessing a meal was a bit ridiculous. No more!! But that's just one way to change the energetic pattern of the meal and/or water.