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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 07:47 AM
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Psychic Consortium Predictions - Thread III
Thread 1: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x76721

Thread 2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x78383

This is a continuance of a thread started September 24, 2008. 'Predictions from a group endeavor' or the Psychic Consortium is a group of clairvoyants sharing their predictions regarding this election and related matters to the current political landscape.

On behalf of the forum, thank you for sharing your work with us here!
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diddlysquat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 05:21 PM
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1. kick to the top.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 05:44 PM
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2. Question - Primary manipulation
Edited on Wed Oct-29-08 05:44 PM by rosesaylavee
How much did the Republicans and the Media control/manipulate the Democratic Primary? I thought it odd at the time that only certain candidates got face time on the news - while other candidates were literally almost not covered by the Media. Biden, Dodd and Richardson were seldom in the news last fall even though it could be argued they had the most experience.

Which leads me to the Media - will we be able to turn it around by reenacting the Fairness Doctrine and break up some of these conglomerates?
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 06:23 PM
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3. Answers
Yes, there was quite a bit of interference by the corporate power structure and the Republican party in the Democratic party primaries. As indicated previously, it was their major campaign strategy to push a minority candidate (female or black) as the Dem nominee.

Yes the media will become more fair. It is the only way to maintain a democracy. People will be coming forward in many areas revealing the wrongs that have been committed and change will occur.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 09:08 PM
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8. Thanks..that's encouraging about
"the media" as it is because of them that we're in the shape we're in, imo.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:42 AM
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13. Yes, the corruption in this country has been very widespread.
Things will be changing. :)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:14 AM
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21. Thank you, PC..because the corruption
has been so deadly.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:12 AM
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17. Karma time for many nt
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 06:43 AM
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29. "Yes, there was quite a bit of interference...in the Democratic party primaries."
What they did to Dennis Kucinich was ongoing and horrible and blatant, and no one would speak out against it. Then they continued to do it on his home turf election, after they forced him out of the Presidential debates.

Then they got to John Edwards. It was so blatant that his withdrawal was for no -obvious- reason, but was premature, forced for some reason nonetheless. Then we see a scandal revealed...

I fully agree to your statement that they forced things so that it came down to the most unelectable candidates possible- a woman or an African-American, both of whom allow for the maximum possible swift-boating. I believe that I may have come to this conclusion myself, and it may be in my Journal. As you say, they must have been utterly smug that they had already won the election, upon having forced Obama into place...I can easily imagine this as being the case.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 01:44 PM
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52. Dear PC, as I read these threads ...
...you have mentioned the middle class getting some of what was stolen from them back It might surprise most that the poor pay many taxes as well that they do not benefit from ~ around 17-19% of their already meager incomes. As an activist for those who are the least among us, the poor, the homeless and the disenfranchised, and though I am low income myself and getting old, I want for there to be a better balance and more understanding within ALL classes for one another. I am not sure what I can do any more than I have. Plus I am tired from the struggle and I know others of my generation who feel much the same. I have met so many good people who cannot make a dime no matter how hard they work, not even enough to pay for a home for themselves and their loved ones.

I have stood before the powerful and sometimes even the middle class and felt deep shame ~ for myself, the people I represent for the contempt they face, but most of all for insensitivity of the ones in power as to the lack of interest as to what is going on. I really do believe that when the poor are addressed, it will benefit all becuase we are all connected and as Jesus says, "What you do for the least of these, you to do Me..." I understand how poverty is a learning experience and karmic, and that wealth is a corruption all by itself. I see from my heart why the sages of time take a vow of poverty. However, I know it is radical but I still believe there is enough for all if we share instead of allowing a few to hoard it to themselves.

While I realize that a bureaucracy unwieldy, it is often so inefficient ~ and has anyone listened to the likes of people who look to it in order to survive? No! I do feel that there could be much reparation ~ if the poor would be heard. So, it has become my life's work to mitigate this shame and indifference.

I am interested in what you see coming for Americans who are struggling and how we can help ourselves and others in other parts of the world? Will we ever find a voice who will listen? Will we see change for the "least among us" in the coming years?

Thanks PC so much for your wonderful insight, it gives me a great deal of hope I have not had even if we are to change the administration. While I believe deeply in the planting of seeds for change for the future, I sort of believed Obama was of the same cloth to be honest, because without compromising himself, he would not have gotten this far, that things would get worse, and real change would not be in my lifetime.

Cat In Seattle
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:49 PM
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54. Response
PC would like to say that their words are not always exactly what is meant. Information is often received in pictorial or symbolic form, and then must be translated into language. When working quickly, as has been the case, some things can be a notch off.

"Middle Class" was meant to include working poor, or anyone paying taxes.

PC believes that there are enough resources in the world for all to live. Currently much of the world's resources are in the hands of a few. We will begin to see a much more fair distribution of the planet's wealth. Basic needs will be met. We will also see less conspicuous consumption. (Much like global warming, where we will see a balancing of the earth’s climate.)

Also today, certain jobs are given much higher status and pay. The corrupt and greedy make much more than the honest hard working person. PC sees that changing in the future. All honest work, good work will have a more equal status. Those who are not able to work will be cared for. However there will be a strong desire on the part of most people to do some worthwhile activity in terms of meaning and self worth.

Also there is going to be many more educational and training opportunities for all. This along with health care, clean food and water will break the cycle of poverty.

There will also be shorter work hours, more leisure time to pursue volunteer work, hobbies, artistic creative pursuits.

People in the future will be incredulous when they look back at these times. They simply will not understand why the government did not provide clean food, air, water for the people. Why a small percentage of the population had all the wealth and privileges, and the rest did not. Why only some had access to education and health care. They will not understand why the people allowed this to be the case. It will be hard for them to feel the powerlessness we currently feel.

And yes, the future leadership will be sensitive to these issues and all will be heard.

Take heart, times are changing. Many of us came to this time and place with a desire to burn off individual or collective karma, and to help with the changes. Keep planting seeds, doing good work and have faith that none of it has been for naught. Some of the changes you shall see in your lifetime.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 06:41 PM
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4. Entering the 21st century
In less than a week, we will at long last enter the 21st century, the new era.

The beginning of a new age.

This is one of the most exciting times to be alive.

We have found our place and time.

A time of hope and change.

A time where honesty, integrity, fair play will rule the day.
We will make a better country, but we must all do our part.

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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 06:52 PM
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5. Are the members of PC always aware of their gifts from early on?
I would love to hear more about the process you mentioned about collectively putting the puzzle together and how it all works when messages are rec'd. You seem to indicate messages being rec'd as symbolic in nature. Please tell us more.

Also, are there any other significant events, in addition to the election, that PC members have rec'd awareness of?

Thank you for answering all of our questions so diligently, they give so much hope. It's been such a long wait for change, it's wonderful to know we will be triumphant.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 07:55 PM
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6. Responses
1. Yes, the team members have been aware of their psychic abilities since childhood and struggled with them. As adults they have undergone training in many areas of energy work, as well as advanced psychic training under the tutelage of master teachers.

2. Yes. For example last year, one team member foresaw the current economic crisis. And strongly encouraged friends and family to pay off any debt they could, save some money for emergencies, and curb spending. This is now the current thinking among financial experts.

3. More information about the PC story and process will be revealed closer to election day. Some of the information we received early on involved the Obama campaign strategy. A decision was made to publish only bits and pieces, as we did not wish to jeopardize the campaign in any way.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 08:02 PM
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7. Please extend our gratitude to all members of PC. I look forward
to all of that you have and will share.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:00 AM
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10. Thank you for reinforcing my message.
Thank you for reinforcing my message about swift karma and the feminine principle.

I do not consider myself to be very psychic, but my artistic visions are undoubtedly part of the collective unconscious manifesting now.

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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:53 AM
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14. Imagination and psychic abilities are related
They both use a similar part of the brain and auric energy. Psychic training can help differentiate between what is coming from self vs from outside.

It appears that in your case you may have more psychic abilities than you realize.

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:07 PM
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9. The issues surrounding the election are highly interesting as wel all wish for certainty
but the developing issues which we as a people shall have to face in the coming years will require greater insight and perspective than we're used to- I hope that the Consortium will stay together in some form to assist with the rebuilding and new directions that stand before us.

Thank you for your input on DU.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:36 AM
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18. We have been remiss as a people, as a citizenry.
The public must make changes too.

In general, we have been an uninformed, apathetic, self-focused, in-the-moment people who gave away all of our power. And saw government as something apart from ourselves.
We allowed ourselves to be lead away from the core values of America. And in doing so, we have put the country, the planet, and even human existence in jeopardy.

President Obama will not only show us how a leader should
lead, but how the people must act in a democracy.

We have been operating at a lower level and we will begin functioning as a higher level civilization.

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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:55 PM
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25. What I have thought for a long time
is that we have, as a society, felt the need to rely on "authority" figures -- be they clergy, government officials, doctors, teachers, therapists, etc. to do our thinking for us.

And, we have been encouraged to do this by the institutions that these "authority" figures represent.

Here in the US, critical thinking is NOT encourged in our schools. Instead, kids are encouraged to memorize for standardized tests.

What I see is that, in order to own our personal power, we must realize that each of us has the answers inside -- and, we must learn to trust what each of us knows.

I see my children struggling each and every day to provide for themselves and their children. In the process, they are not paying as much attention to what is happening here and in the world as they need to. I see these struggles as necessary in the current economic situation, but, I also see that this situation was never necessary.



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ropi Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 03:40 AM
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11. I have a few questions.
PC,

First, thank you all for your insight and for sharing your gifts with all of us here.

I had questions, but then I realized that they went beyond the election and current political landscape. Perhaps I'll wait until a later time.

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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:03 AM
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16. Questions
If your questions have to do with 21st century, PC is getting a lot of information on that topic.

Or about the spiritual realm, there is info on that topic
as well.
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ropi Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:06 PM
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23. ah..
many of the questions have been answered further down in the thread. :-)
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 12:09 PM
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34. Questions regarding 21st Century technology.
Thank you for your time and effort.

My first question for PC is: how long are we to be dependent on fossil fuels? Are you getting any information about zero-point energy/free energy technology?

My second is: What will our cities look like in the coming century? How do you see our global economy change? Will we have super-malls and big box stores? Will people travel freely?


It's my secret hope that our cities become self-sustaining in terms of energy and food production.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 04:47 AM
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39. Energy
Q: My first question for PC is: how long are we to be dependent on fossil fuels?

A:
1. Fossil fuels are a finite resource as we know, so the answer is not very long. However, PC does see more fossil fuel available than previously thought.

2. FF as a power source is problematic in that it is a limited resource, causes pollution, damages humans and the planet. There is also the feeling that the extraction of FF is not good for the planet.

3. However these problems are not the major issue at hand. Reliance on FF is a major security risk to our country. Our society runs on fossil fuel that does not belong to us. That puts us at risk in many ways. We are at the whim of other people. We are forced to pay very high prices or steal the oil. The later option turned out to have very serious karmic payback.


Q: Are you getting any information about zero-point energy/free energy technology?
A: President Obama is clearly aware of the energy situation hitting critical mass. A priority will be alternative energy.

Looking at future energy sources reveals a combination of technology currently available and some types that are not understood or known to PC. The feeling is that the earth and environment have some obvious energies stores available to us that we have not tapped.

The pictures being seen are as follows:
A primitive man sitting in the dark, in front of him are an unplugged lamp and an empty electrical outlet. The answer is right there in front of him but he has yet to figure it out. The other picture is of a fly sitting on power lines, the fly wishes he had a power source and does not realize he is sitting on one.

The feeling is that there is abundant, inexpensive, clean energy sources readily available if we will take the trouble to look for them.

PC admits it has not taken a closer look at this topic clairvoyantly, but this is a quick look.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 05:15 AM
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40. 21st century, quick look
Q: My second is: What will our cities look like in the coming century? How do you see our global economy change? Will we have super-malls and big box stores? Will people travel freely?

A: PC has been describing the near future, but further out, the following is seen: (note that this is a quick look, PC wishes it had more time to look at this topic!)

Looks likes a somewhat odd mixture of future and past, at least from the vantage point of someone living in the year 2008. Very modern technology, electronics, communication, travel. But at the same time a simpler lifestyle. Much less consumerism, shopping, or buying for the sake of buying.

A surge in spirituality and natural health, co-existing with advanced medical technology. More personal responsibility for health, as well as for other issues. Taking care of one’s self will be seen as part of being a good citizen and good economics. Conspicuous consumption, greed, corporate wealth are seen as unpatriotic.

Clean air, water, food are seen as basic human rights, as are education and health care. Companies making billions of dollars in profit taking care of sick people will be unacceptable. They look back at as in disbelief, almost like we were barbarians in 2000!

People are smarter and healthier due to fewer toxins in the environment, accessible healthcare, healthier lifestyles, and access to advanced education, reliable media, and better leadership.

Clothing and houses are simple elegance, not flashy or ostentatious which has gone out of vogue. Men and women are more balanced in many ways as noted previously. But some things seem enduring across time: Love, sex, marriage, children, and families.

Looking at the cities, they seem a bit darker and quieter than now. Smaller.

Do not know about malls and big stores, but shopping just doesn't feel the same when looking there….. Shopping is not the same, not as much a recreational activity as it is now.

Travel does not seem restricted, though more people are walking in one scene viewed. Clothes a bit more unisex, cotton, light colored, natural fabrics. One woman has a shawl like covering over her head.
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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 03:53 AM
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12. PC, I'm just posting to say "Thank you."
These threads have been food for my soul, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing these insights with us.

The ring of truth is here, and there is comfort in that--a comfort that brings with it peace and calm.

I also hope that you will continue to share with us here at DU from time to time once we have gotten past the election.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:59 AM
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15. Balancing on many levels
We will continue to see a great deal of balancing.

Global warming is a part of balancing the earth.

The financial crisis is a way of balancing resources.

The Obama presidency is a way of balancing the races.

The demise of the corruption in leadership is a way of balancing power.

The demise of America as a world military and financial power is a way of balancing world power.

Also one of the big changes we are going to see in the 21st century is the rise of women. They will take center stage and men will step back. It is a balancing of the genders.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:56 AM
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19. Responsibility and hard work : The Sacred Contract
Responsibility and hard work will be the cornerstones of the sacred contract between President Obama and the American people.

He will promise to be a responsible leader, one who has integrity, honesty, and works hard to make America a better place.

He will ask the same in return from the American people.
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mysticalchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:46 AM
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20. One of the things I really love ...
... in his speeches is that he asks us to do our part. I think people WANT to be a part of this new energy and realize what ignorance has brought us. I was politically unaware for most of my life and it wasn't until I started allowing my spirituality to bloom that I "got it". We ARE all one and must work together going forward.

PC, as always, your collective insight is so appreciated. Whenever I get guidance from my angels, teachers and guides, it has the same calm, steady tone as your messages and that is something I trust with my heart and soul. It has NEVER steered me wrong or caused me to do something I regret. (Listening and DOING is the harder part, some days!)

Thanks to all on this forum for asking the questions and being willing to open up to the responses. I am so ready to move forward.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:24 AM
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22. Have beings from other planets been trying to connect with us?
Was there a contact back in the 1950s and an agreement reached regarding what we earthlings were supposed to do?
Is the military planning something regarding aliens? I ask because of the apparent militarization of space and because of a meeting a week or two ago in upstate New York among various world military leaders.

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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 06:01 AM
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26. Response
Because PC has not attempted to explore this topic in any systematic way, it is not able to respond specifically to this question with any degree of confidence at this time.

PC will however comment in general terms below.

Mankind has typically not believed in things it could not see: ideas such as tiny bacteria causing illness; the world is round; the earth revolves around the sun, etc.

In the current era, the prevailing belief is that man is totally alone in the vast universe, that man is the only sentient being in existence anywhere. Any data to the contrary is ignored. Any attempts to scientifically study this topic are ridiculed and rejected.

PC believes that man is not alone, and never has been. There are layers upon layers of existence, some of it close at hand.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 12:38 PM
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35. "There are layers upon layers of existence"
Falun Gong teaches this.
The chi gong exercises have most of their effect in layers other then this one.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 07:00 AM
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41. they have a pretty profound effect on my muscles
owie! I never had such a workout standing still.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:33 PM
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24. The Republicans have always been negative.
The Democrats are positive. They are sowing what they reap.

People who are surprised when Republicans are nasty and negative don't know their history.

This destroying of other people started with Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon in the early 1950s. Richard Nixon slimed two of his Congressional opponents in the late 1940s.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 06:33 AM
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27. "The Democrats are positive."
Edited on Fri Oct-31-08 06:47 AM by Peake
Pardon me.

Excepting for those who (edit: viscerally) reject and/or hate God. Rejection of religion is fine as religion (western style) is in need of desperate change, but when this produces a bar against investigating spirituality (which is basically, to do right action), it's not positive. There are those who gloat, who use power unwisely, who fight and argue and discriminate unfairly...spend an hour in GDP and you will retract your statement.

The greater realm of spirituality, such as positive metaphysics and mysticism, right living (positive action) and such, take it on the chin around here, and not much less in the general Democratic population (not to draw an absolute, as we are obviously examples of the exceptions).

See the struggles of ego-based less-than/more-than dynamics, merely a continuing demonstration of the continuing pendulum swing from power to power, struggle to struggle, selfishness to selfishness, us versus them, not us accepting them...

This of course is in the process of change, as it MUST at this time, and I say this as someone desperately in love with freedom and truth, and who has his own history of fighting negativity with negativity, when the positive has utterly failed...and am now seeking only bring the positive, as it by its nature must force out the negative...which is only another power struggle...

But change is continuous, and we see the direction. Pardon my rant, it's meant to be generalized and in frustration at the negatives of the world which impede others from the joy which is our birthright, and is not meant specifically against you. I want, now, the better world which we are about to begin building. I look forward to it with great excitement (and discomfort at the current sludge-like negativity).

I look forward to the day when it may be possible to accept your absolute. As at some level, the 3rd realm selfish struggle shall always continue, I don't know if it's possible. It's obviously up to each of us to be the positive we wish to see in the world, and to go from there. In spite of the dynamic it intrinsically creates.

Edit: I have no problem with anyone who rejects the concept of God, yet chooses to lead a life of some level of ethics. It does not require a belief in God to understand the Golden Rule.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 01:52 AM
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42. I was referring to the national candidates.
If you know your political history, you know that the severe character assasination in modern times started with Richard Nixon and Joseph McCarthy. They destroyed anyone they wanted to, and never paid any price for it. It continued with Lee Atwater, Karl Rove and other masters of the politics of destruction.

The Clintons refuse to attack others. The Obamas refuse to attack others. They have been very complimentary to Republicans.

I've seen Al Franken argue on TV, and he was smiling the whole time. The politicians who get it are always pleasant. They know that most people don't like the snarling angry politicians, like McCain. People are tired of the mudslinging. The Repukes can dish it out but they sure can't take it.

Politicians in this country have to appear Christian. Everyone's spirituality is their own business and nobody else's.

Rejecting god? There are plenty of atheists and other non-believers who act ethically. The belief in god does not make a person ethical or moral.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 12:16 PM
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51. Limited to republican presidential candidates, I'll hesitantly agree.
"The belief in god does not make a person ethical or moral."

Yep. Some are trying (in these trying times) and some are not. As is likely always the case, and always will be.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 06:34 AM
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28. Election reform
PC is seeing a strong push toward long overdue election reform by the Obama administration.

The ease with which the system has been corrupted is totally unacceptable. The current long voter lines, voter list purges, machines that flip votes are all totally unacceptable in a 21st century democracy. Voters should not have to worry whether or not their votes will be counted.

Elections will be fair, honest, and safeguards will be in place to ensure the right of all citizens to vote with confidence and comfort.

PC is seeing paper ballots with receipt, the use of technology, expanded time to vote.

Also looking like there will be federal laws enacted which guarantee the right of all citizens to vote, and ensure honesty and safety in the voting process. It will be a federal crime with stiff penalties to tamper with the voting process.
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cate94 Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 07:27 AM
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30. Thank you PC.
You have given me a level of comfort I have not felt for some time.

I do have one question, do you have any insight into the Prop 8 vote in California?
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 10:13 AM
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31. Response
PC has a good feeling about Prop 8.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 11:17 AM
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33. PS GLBT rights
It simply does not matter in the long run whether this bill passes or fails. As mentioned repeatedly, we are undergoing a major change of the times.

The GLBT community will no longer be a persecuted group.

We shall see a country where there is equal application of the law and rights to all groups regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, etc.

It will happen, fear not.

We will see it in our lifetime.
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cate94 Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 03:48 PM
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38. Thanks again, PC.
My eyes well up at the thought.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 11:09 AM
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32. Elections results
PC sees a wave of beautiful blue washing over the US.

And as indicated repeatedly, a strong Obama win.

That said, there will be some seats and some issues that will not go blue. There are karmic reasons for this.

As indicated previously we are seeing the unfolding of a huge karmic mosaic.Some of the pieces have not played out yet from a karmic perspective. Some negative people and issues must still come to light and be examined more closely by the public. Some consequences still must happen.

Also some Republicans, from a destiny standpoint, must be seated in congress. This is to help Obama install the bipartisan government he envisions. He will make it clear that he leads all Americans, whether they are Republican or Democrat.

PC sees the long view, which does not get bogged down in the twists and turns of destiny unfolding.

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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 01:30 PM
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37. That wave ...
last night, while I was feeling grateful for being alive at this point in time, I almost could hear the Universe cheering the win! I felt so strongly that this goes out beyond Earth - that not only will she be celebrating along-side us, but the other planets and star systems and beings would join in as well. I had the biggest smile on my face.
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mysticalchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 01:03 PM
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36. PC, I'd like to ask a question ...
... It's my sense that karma/justice will be meted out to Bush, Cheney etc ... perhaps not in a public way where we all witness it, but it definitely will. How do you see that coming about?
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:32 AM
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44. Answer
PC sees psychological, political, legal repercussions, and medical problems.

Bush brings deep shame to his once proud family.

As the Republican party disintegrates, Cheney and Bush will be dragged into the legal problems of underlings who refuse to be fall guys. PC does not necessarily see any one dramatic event, but a tangle of difficulties and humiliations which will not make for a pleasant retirement.

One of the hardest things for Bush will be the loss of his sycophant circle, as friends abandon him.


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mysticalchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 09:15 AM
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49. Thank you ...
... we, ALL OF US, reap what we sow, don't we?
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 05:43 AM
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43. Election night
Despite fears on the part of Democrats, PC sees that overall, the election will go smoothly. As PC has indicated for the past six weeks, it will be an Obama win. As also indicated previously, Obama will win with a strong mandate by the American people.

There will be no dispute about the outcome; the results will be undeniable and indisputable. The republican noise machine will try to make a weak case to the contrary, but they will be ignored.

It is looking like things will be wrapped up Tuesday night, at the latest Wed am. Seems like Obama and his team have been tracking any potential voting theft problems, and were always one step ahead of Republican attempts to steal the election. Also the sheer numbers of people voting for Obama made it very difficult for the other side to steal this time. PC does see the possibility of one tangled ball of potential vote problems. But if this occurs, it will be addressed by Obama and his people very swiftly and decisively.

There will be some voting problems, which will highlight the need for voting reform and safeguards. The long lines and snafus will pave the way for much needed reform.

PC can feel humiliation and bitterness on the part of McCain and other Republicans, and it is almost sad to feel. However he and his party have done this to themselves. A corrupt regime has been ousted by the people. PC can feel the underlying joy and excitement within the American psyche about the Obama win. Not only has a corrupt and evil leadership been ousted, but we have installed an outstanding and brilliant leader who is already greatly loved by the people. Many people who have feared to make public comments will express joy and delight.

Some people will be in shock and denial at the Obama win. But as people come forward and legal proceedings begin against various corrupt regime players, they will begin to shift their feelings. They will also have to admit that Obama is a superior leader in every way.


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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:13 AM
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45. Thank you for this assurance.
I had been excited about but dreading Tuesday night. Didn't think I could deal with another stolen election... would of course deal with it if it happened but was dreading to have to start this journey yet one more time.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:24 AM
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46. This election will not be stolen.
Do not dread Tuesday night.
It is going to be glorious.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:58 PM
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56. Thank you so much PC
mega (and heartfelt) :hug:

What you are saying is validating a thread I posted right after Palin was picked as VP. There was a decided "bump" to the repub poll ratings immediately following their convention. I posted a thread that was entitled "Take Heart".

Not sure that I am psychic, but, I knew at that time that the pick would backfire, and, I felt sure that Obama would win hands down.

I have maintained this certainty.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #56
58. Many on this forum
possess clairvoyant abilities. :)
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #46
66. Fear not!
Thank you, Psychic Consortium. Very much.

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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:33 AM
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47. Can I ask about a congressional race?
I have been working to reelect Bill Foster as our congressman in the 14th District of Illinois. Our district is 2 to 1 registered Republicans... he was elected in a special election last March I think primarily because not a lot of people came out for that election. I am trying to remain hopeful - he is a very good human being and has the potential for being a force for good representing us in Washington. We previously had Dennis Hastert representing us here - it would be like a breath of fresh air to have a DEM in this position.

Do you get any impressions one way or the other for that race?
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 09:03 AM
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48. PC will see if it can get anything on this specific race
Overall, the strong feeling is that from a karmic standpoint, all will unfold just the way it should.

Good people will be elected who will form the new 21st government. Some of these people will be Republican in the midst of a blue wave. They are needed to form a new bipartisan government which will represent all Americans, not just one party.

Some bad people will be elected to finish out some karmic threads that have not yet been completed...they will also be reminders of the corruption and greed of the old leadership.

PC encourages everyone to go with the flow. See the election as a river and just watch it flow toward the new century.
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Kookaburra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 09:51 AM
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50. Thank you for the reminder that
not all Republicans are bad, per se. It's unfortunate the remaining few who refused to acquiesce to neo-con "policy" were basically ignored. We have seen the worst of them running our government for the past 30+ years, and it feels to me like they are now being exposed for exactly what they are. As you referenced in an earlier post, it is rather sad for some who toed their party's line out of greed (be it money, power, both...), but for those who were coerced, it will be a chance for them to regain their identities and self-respect. Redemption is a lovely thing to behold.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:45 PM
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53. Thank you PC
You've definetly helped me have peace of mind the last couple of weeks.

I have one question. The back story behind Sarah Palin reveals a network of people who claim to be christian, who are attempting to hijack our religions and political process for destructive ends. What do you pick up about them, and is there anyway that we can hasten the end of their power grab?

I am worried because these people have already killed for power in africa and central america.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 03:52 PM
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55. Response
Their power is coming to an end.

They are experiencing a great deal of internal conflict which has weakened their ability to function. The things that feed them are drying up.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 04:12 PM
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57. I saw a photo
of some 'christians' praying and laying hands on the Wall Street Bull statue.
Considering the Christian prohibition against idolatry,along with the symbolism of it being the golden calf similar to what is described in their bible,will it have any effect on christians?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 05:38 PM
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59. I think many
claim to be Christians just because they aren't Jewish or Muslim. They choose it by default without ever thinking about it. I see this when I screen potential men to date.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. Thank you
I was hoping that ws the case.
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:47 PM
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60. Will we eventually move to a more socialist style system?
Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 07:47 PM by scard
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 08:04 AM
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65. No, a new system
This is such a big question and a lot of information is being seen on this topic. PC will try to hit the high spots.

It is a bit difficult to explain since what is being seen is a big leap in the way the government and people interact and the words are not yet available to label the resulting system. (This is an example of the difficulties inherent in this type of clairvoyant work. The picture is seen clearly, but it has to be expressed in current words and understanding. PC will do their best here.)

Man has been bouncing back and forth between economic and political extremes and there will be more balance in the future.

The future will see the natural evolution of the best of a number of systems; it will not be pure socialism or pure capitalism. The extremes are not successful.

It appears to be a combination of a number of systems. We will see the maturation of a people and government who operate in more sophisticated and adult ways.

The government will be seen as something very positive which helps society survive and flourish. The focus will be on what is good for the entire population not just the special interest groups.

Public servants will take their roles seriously and see it as a sacred trust. There will be stiff penalties for those who violate the public trust.

The government will be seen as being responsible for establishing open access to the necessities of life, an infrastructure and system within which the market and people enjoy independence and freedom. Man does not seem to do well with too much or too little regulation and there will be a fair and reasonable balance.

As indicated previously, the government will be seen as providing basic necessities such as transportation systems, education, clean environment, clean food and water, health care. National security, protection and establishing the goals and direction for survival will be government functions. However, there will not be a sense that anything is given to people, they will have earned these things by their contributions to the country.

A system is seen of balance and equal responsibility. The government is not giving anything to the people; they will get the society they deserve through their hard work and effort. It will not be seen as government being Big Daddy who takes care of the people, but an adult to adult interaction where everyone is doing their job to make society work well.

There will not be the sense of exploitation as there is now, where the people exploit the government, and the government exploits the people. Currently there is mutual exploitation, irresponsibility, greed, and corruption on many levels. Many are always trying to figure out how to game the system for personal advantage. This system has failed and we will be moving to forward.

Freedom is seen as something very important, but the people understand that personal freedom cannot come at the expense of society. Personal freedom which destroys society is not seen as a good thing. And likewise, government restrictions which destroy personal freedom will not be seems as a good thing either.

A system is seen which is fair, balanced, adult, rational, and marked by mutual responsibility and hard work. All contribute to the extent that they can, whether it is small or big. No effort is seen as less valuable than others. There will be a desire for all to contribute in anyway they can; all contributions will be seen as valuable. From the person who sweeps the floor at a school, to the person who runs a large company. A person who is disabled and cannot work, but tutors a child who cannot read, is seen as valuable. And those who are sick will be cared for. People who are in retirement will be in comfort.






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kitticup Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 09:14 PM
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61. Damage to oceans, endangered species, etc
I am very concerned with the damage that has been done to our oceans, forests (temperate, tropical), artic climate, decline in song birds, mammals (only 650 mountain gorillas). Will this damage be undone or will there be mass extinctions of animales? Logically, it seems to late. While humans might be able to ourselves from global warming, some animals don't seem like they will make it.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 07:02 AM
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64. Climate change and survival
Some of the climate change is due to man’s problematic interaction with the planet. Some is only the result of the natural change the planet has always gone through over the millions of years it has been in existence. Everything in the universe is in a constant state of flux, changing and growing, this includes our planet.

As indicated previously, the planet is going to a more temperate climate, less extremes, more balance, as are the inhabitants of the planet. They will be more balanced as well. However there are growing pains as we move through this process.

One feature of evolution is adaptability. This is an important concept for people to understand. As the planet and the inhabitants change, some species will adapt, others will not. This is inevitable.

The species match the time and place, and will stay or leave the planet as need be.

This is as it should be, much like a child losing her baby teeth.

Some species have served their purpose or learned their lessons and it will be time for them to leave. For example some species have volunteered to be like canaries in the mine shaft, warning us to be aware and make changes. Their deaths serve the purpose of saving humans and the planet. We bless them and thank them.
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kitticup Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 09:14 PM
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62. Damage to oceans, endangered species, etc
I am very concerned with the damage that has been done to our oceans, forests (temperate, tropical), artic climate, decline in song birds, mammals (only 650 mountain gorillas). Will this damage be undone or will there be mass extinctions of animales? Logically, it seems to late. While humans might be able to ourselves from global warming, some animals don't seem like they will make it.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 01:13 PM
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67. Question about Creationism
I'm so tired of hearing about so-called creationism and the efforts of fundies to impose it on schools. Is there any hope that people will evolve enough in the near future so that this belief system goes the way of the dodo?

I appreciate PC's effort to give us a glimpse of upcoming trends. Thanks.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 01:49 PM
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68. Yes
Man is moving from childhood to adulthood at long last.

We are looking at a much healthier, smarter, more educated populace.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 02:39 PM
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69. THanks
You can't see it but that made me put on my happy feet.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 02:46 PM
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70. I hope I live that long..
to see maturity in the population of the planet.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 02:51 PM
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71. You will see it tomorrow my friend. :) nt
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 04:19 PM
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72. Someone
posted the song lyrics to "Here Comes the Sun" yesterday and that's what your statement reminds me of - the sun coming out and the entire human race being able to breathe again. :)
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:48 PM
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74. I was going to post that song, my eight year old's favorite
I've just rediscovered the beatles through my eight year old son. We play that one over and over on the way to school. It is so apropos for these times (I hope).
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 05:41 PM
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73. Question about ...Timing...
Edited on Mon Nov-03-08 05:44 PM by Journalgrrl
I realize that we will see much of these changes in our lifetimes. But how SOON will we feel the results?
Is tuesday the beginning of a watershed moment that will make the rest happen faster? or will this evolution continue to take a generation or two to really take place?

It would be nice to think that someone like me could see some financial relief as soon as next year...and my own personal situation is but a mirror of what hardships SO may more have had to endure on much harsher levels. how fast will we get back on our feet?
Individually and as a nation?

Second - as we know now, Madelyn Dunham has gone to the other side...while her release from human body pain has to be a blessing. Is she able to "help" from the other side? Did she let go because she KNEW Obama was going to win and could go knowing he would be okay? Any messages from her?


PC - thanks SOOOO much for the reassurance and words of what we already know on many levels. Change IS coming, and we are ready and willing to work for it! A-Ho!
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 07:20 AM
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75. Timing Financial relief
The picture being seen: Obama throwing life jackets and life preservers to the American people, so they will not go down under the sea of greed and corruption which has bankrupt America. Obama’s feelings are sadness, anger, disgust at those who have done this to the American people. He will do what he can to help us in the short term and long term.

There will be a feeling of deep gratitude on the part of the people as a result of the life preservers thrown to us.

While it feels like Obama will put some things into place to provide immediate emergency relief for the people, he will not magically turn the Bush disaster around quickly. And he needs to be responsible about his efforts and not cause more problems in the long run. The typical politician gives flashy short term solutions which only cause later difficulties. Obama will not do that unless absolutely necessary.

Therefore a mixed bag is seen. There is a sense that he will be doing practical things that bring some immediate relief. That said, the damage done to this country will take some time to be repaired. And we as a people still have some lessons to learn.

There will be a psychological repair in that things will feel better as we realize that we have a leader who cares about America and the American people. There will be more optimism and hope which will move things forward.

From a spiritual standpoint this is a time for all of us to examine ourselves, our values, what is really important to us as individuals, as a country. Our wealth was taken away for a karmic reason, and we need to understand this, feel the loss, and learn the lessons.

This is easier said than done, PC knows.

PC sees this:

If we have a roof over our heads, food on the table, then thank God.
If our children are fed and clothed, thank God.
If our children are healthy and can go to school, thank God.

Have gratitude in our hearts for what we still have left. It could have all been taken away from us by the corrupt.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 07:47 AM
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76. Grandma is seen
Grandma is here. She seems to be a bit of live wire in terms of temperament and has a strong personality. (Obama appears to be surrounded by strong women in this life: his mother, grandmother, mother-in-law and Michelle.)

Grandma’s dying process was not easy, but she made a quick transition once on the other side. She is seen laughing, a deep belly type laugh of joy. There is a gravely or deep quality to her voice or throat.

This is a person who seems lively, very bright, recognized the same traits in her grandson. Was able to work on his strengths and channel his high energy and intelligence into appropriate channels as a child. She is the one who understood him best in the family; he was a complex child, much like herself. She is seen corralling her small grandson who was a fireball of energy, with genius level intelligence.

She is psychic, as is her grandson. She has known for some time that he would win the election.

In terms of timing, in many families, important events fall on the same dates: births, deaths, other events. This is because there are family portals of energy. Transition times may coincide. Grandma left the planet at the same time her grandson is leaving his life as an average person, to become one of the most famous figures in American history. They both are closing old chapters and moving on to new ones, moving forward in a significant way.

Her illness and death will some how be of importance to events in some way. On a spiritual level, very little about Obama’s campaign was happenstance. All has meaning or planning from a cosmic direction.

Grandma’s death at this time was her message to the American people. Her feelings about her grandson were made known in a very public way in the media at the time of her death, and that is her message to the people: This is my grandson, I have always believed in him. He is a good person. I have always helped him be the best he can be. He will do the same for you.

On an amusing level she is also saying now, don’t forget Obama is Irish, we Irish fight hard, we fight injustice; we are tough and stubborn when it comes to doing the right thing. She wants the people to know his Irish side too.

Grandma is with Obama now in spirit and will stay near him for now. He can feel her presence on some level. And she will be helping him from the other side as much as she can. There is a protective quality, she is saying, no one mess with my boy. She is a great organizer and has a lot of strength. She is seen to be having a keen enjoyment in all of this. The joy and happiness radiates from her like the sun.

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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:28 AM
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77. Thank you for relaying this emotion and info
Began this day with tears of joy...

I have a strong grandmother whose spirit has been with me throughout my adult life, her voice still rings in my head when I need guidance. She was a strong southern woman, of the same tme period as Barack's Grandma. They don't make 'em like that anymore!

It's heartening to see he is surrounded by such strong women, because it creates a balance - back to the divine feminine so that those values can be embraced once again.

yay! Today is the day!
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