Astrology and the Pennsylvania Primary

[ccpup]

Thanks all for the PMs and such asking me to continue my astrological observations about the Primary Season. Like most astrologers, I've been wrong a little and right a little, but what's really exciting about this process is the ability to see astrology in action.

So, per my earlier thoughts, Hillary's far from being out of the race -- despite those rabid foaming-at-the-mouth pundits who beat the daily drum for her to hit the road -- and actually did much better than anticipated yesterday in the March 4th Primaries.

With Saturn just having rewarded her a bit for all her hard work and making do with less (Saturn tends to restrict one's resources making you dig deep and really, REALLY earn your success) with his conjunction to her MC, or the Career Spot in her chart, he's now going to give her a bit of a boost with a trine to her Secondary Progressed (or SP) Sun before moving on to sextile her Natal Sun, stopping within 90 minutes of exact this aspect in mid-April and remaining there throughout most of May.

And Barack? He's only now finishing up a nasty square to his Ascendant from Chiron (Hillary had her Chiron squares in January and February), but is still dealing with that Neptune quincunx his Mars. And I think we've witnessed the cumulative effect those two can have as Barack's Media Honeymoon has hit a bit of a bump and the sheen of inevitability isn't glowing as brightly as it was only a week ago.

But let me get to April 22nd.

On the day of the Pennsylvania Primary, there is a Mars - Jupiter opposition in the skies. So how does that affect each Candidate's chart?

Interestingly, looking at Barack's Secondary Progressions, this Mars - Jupiter opposition makes a t-square with his SP Mars/Mercury conjunction (exact on April 24th).

Although a very energetic and optimistic transit, the energy of both Mars and Jupiter involved in a square with one's Mars and Mercury can also lead one to be seen as impatient, cocky, overconfident and argumentative. Not that that's what will happen, but the aspect and planets involved hold that danger if he doesn't keep his ego in check (Jupiter's influence by square can make one seem a bit overconfident and impatient). This combo can also make one seem a bit bossy without taking the time to stop and listen as well as unusually sensitive to criticism. I suspect with the high stakes being pinned on this State, he could be feeling like he has an important message (Mercury) to get out and it's IMPERATIVE people hear it ... NOW (t-square with Mars and Jupiter)!

But, again, that aspect is still one degree away during April 22nd, so I'm not sure how it'll affect him during the Primary.

Remember, though, this is all taking place against the backdrop of that relatively new and depressing energy of Saturn square Moon as well as Pluto now 27 minutes from an exact opposition with his Venus. He also has Tr Uranus moving to oppose his Mars -- but still out by 1 degrees 23 minutes and not exact until mid-May.

Interestingly he has Tr Mercury opposite his Natal Neptune the day before, so I wonder if the approaching impatience and excess energy of the Mars - Jupiter t-square to his SP Mars/Mercury leads him to overstate something (Mercury opposite Neptune) in a way people find potentially deceptive or somehow unclear. It'll be something to watch for. And with the Tr Sun square his Mercury that day as well, the risk for that becomes even greater.

What the squares in his chart around that time signify is a reluctance of others to buy what he's selling. I suspect he'll find himself working much harder than before to convince people he's the best choice and the squares affecting his chart indicate that he may come up against frustrating resistance to his ideas and his "style". But this aspect is not a bad one. It just forces you to clarify yourself, your thinking and your plans. That's why that Mercury opposite Neptune the day before stopped me in my tracks. This is NOT the time to accidentally misspeak as those squares will catch you every time.

For me, though, the overriding theme during this time is the Saturn station square his Moon. In fact, I suspect the emotional frustration of that could be what's driving his impatience and sense of urgency and could, if he's not careful, rub those in Pennsylvania the wrong way. After months of Smiley Barack extolling the necessity of ridding ourselves of the Old Politics, I think the Impatient, Upset Barack throwing everything but the kitchen sink -- with all that Mars-Jupiter square energy -- at Hillary may be confusing to some.

Now on to Hillary.

I've spoken of the Saturn station sextile her Sun before and I think that's the back note for this time period for her: support for her efforts. Her Ascendant/Mercury conjunction is receiving a trine from Mars and a sextile from Jupiter that day with Tr Venus moving to trine her Natal Saturn the day after.

But she does have her Saturn receiving an inconjunct (or 30 degrees) from Mars and a quincunx (or 150 degrees) from Jupiter as well as a quincunx from Uranus -- which will conjunct her Moon in mid-May. So we're looking at another knock-down-drag-out fight.

But in the days following April 22nd, this Jupiter -- which is also, remember, sextile her Ascendant during this time -- moves to sextile her Moon, so I'm going to go out on the limb and say she comes out ahead. The continuing Saturn station sextile her Sun as well as that Venus trine her Saturn and Tr Sun trine her MC (on the 24th) support that suspicion.

April 22nd is also the day Hillary has the Tr Sun opposite her Natal Sun. Let's talk about this for a second.

Tr Sun opposite Natal Sun can be either a time of one successfully reaching one's goals and objectives or of failing if one hasn't prepared themselves properly to fully succeed. With the recent restriction from Saturn forcing her to clarify and do more with less, his passage over her MC (rewarding her last night for her work), the ongoing sextile he makes with her Sun as well as this Tr Sun trine her MC two days later on the 24th, I have no worries that she won't be properly prepared to take advantage of this Primary. Plus the weeks leading up to the 22nd are blessed with a trine from Saturn to her SP Sun before the sextile to her Natal Sun and a quick trine from Mars to her Natal Sun.

So, in short, I think Hillary comes out ahead in Pennsylvania leading to the May contests becoming important. OR, and this is just a thought, leading to a high-powered, closed-door meeting with Howard Dean to bring them together on the same ticket.

But I'll talk about that later. :evilgrin:

[mother earth]

1. Interesting. I've been really feeling it would be impossible to

have these two on a ticket, but at the same time, it is impossible to avoid if we are to maintain unity. I've been telling people I know that love Obama, he's got to practice what he preaches. You can't be all about unity and then say the no. 2 spot is not good enough, it would be one thing if he wins the no. 1 spot, I'd say the same for Hillary. I'm looking forward to hearing what the possibility of this is.

Thanks once again, ccpup. If I liked astrology before, I'm more convinced of its validity than ever before, once the correct chart times are in place and the interpretation is good.

Major kudos to you for taking a sometimes unpopular stance, but continuing to bring us these interpretations. :applause:

[NMDemDist2]

2. thanks!

and I can't wait for the Dr Dean thread......

[katty]

3. Hillary got the job done last nite and now Obama faces

that Sat square his Moon (a defensive posture & weaker). He had better start treating this race like a political contest and not like he is attending a perpetual (Neptunian) love-in.

[Lucinda]

4. Thanks! I really appreciate all the hard work. :) Have you looked

at the next two contests? Prior to Pa?

Lucinda

[ccpup]

5. March 8th in Wyoming and March 11th in Mississippi, right?

The quick version -- because I haven't looked in-depth at this question yet -- is Barack does well in Wyoming, but there may be a bit of a surprise for Mississippi.

The longer version really centers around Tr Mars and, to an extent, Tr Saturn.

During the March 8th period, Barack has Mars conjunct his Venus. But the day before Mississippi, Tr Saturn snaps into a trine with Hillary's SP Sun and Tr Mars clicks into a trine with her Natal Sun ... the same day! Both aspects remain in effect throughout March 13th (with Mars) and until March 24th (with Saturn) for Hillary. That's not including the Saturn station 90 minutes from that sextile with her Sun, so, in reality, the Saturn sextile lasts up until around the end of May. He'll meet her Sun in an exact sextile -- when he's direct again -- during the crucial late-May/early-June Primary Season when this thing may actually be decided. I hope it's before then, but the last Primary is June 7th, so ...

But back to the here and now. This Saturn, once he leaves the trine to her SP Sun, begins the sextile with her Natal Sun. And the Tr Mars? He's first trine her Natal Sun, the opposite her SP Sun (a surprisingly effective transit if one is soldiering on toward a goal) and then sextile her MC. Bam, bam, bam! One degree after another with Mars hitting something in her chart in a supportive way.

So, with Mississippi, if one looks at how the State ordinarily votes in Primaries and General Elections, one could see how they may decide counter to what the overwhelming demographics might suggest. It'll be interesting, to say the least.

But, as always, time will tell. :-)

[Lucinda]

6. Thanks! Very interesting.

And much appreciated. :D
I surprise in MS could be a big factor in the narrative.

[katty]

7. sextile to her MC-that's it--major boost

[ccpup]

8. the sextile to the MC takes place March 15th through the 18th

Mars trine her Sun is March 10th through the 13th, opposite her SP Sun is 13th through the 15th and then sextile the MC is the 15th through the 18th. And remember during all of this she has Saturn trine her SP Sun (until March 24th and then he's begins his sextile to her Sun).

I'm not sure how, but Mississippi on the 11th will somehow be a bigger story than anyone thought it would be.

Or I could be completely wrong. :evilgrin: Only time will tell, I guess.

[ccpup]

9. one thing I missed in Hillary's chart for March 8th

is Tr Jupiter is sextile her Natal Venus, so perhaps the contest in Wyoming will be much closer than people anticipate? I don't know.

Furthermore, Tr Jupiter is also sextile Barack's Ascendant around the 11th during Mississippi, so the surprise may not be her winning, but her drawing closer to him in a State he should -- based on demographics -- easily win. Again, I'm not sure.

Having a difficult time focusing today, so I feel like a lot is slipping through the cracks. I'll probably take a close look at the charts tomorrow and attempt to pick up the pieces of my clumsy astrology today.

:evilgrin:

[Lucinda]

10. I've been feeling a decline in the rest of the primaries

It sort of comes in a flash, as I see the pundits talking about how the next two states will go Obama. This little voice in my head chimes in to say that they are assuming no change in his level of support, which feels like it won't hold.

This is based upon absolutly nothing tangible, of course. :)
A change in Wyoming would be a little confirmation of that...

[ccpup]

11. but there is a change in his support

as well as in the support the Dem Establishment -- which he absolutely needs in order to be the Nominee. We have here in Barack a politician who just CANNOT CLOSE THE DEAL even if he's breathtakingly well-funded and had until recently the Media fluffing his pillow and offering him foot massages. Like her or hate her, Hillary is one smart cookie who works her ass off until all hours, takes nothing for granted and knows how to close the deal when the chips are down, everyone is counting her out and the media is standing by, shovels in hand, to start piling dirt on her political grave.

It takes a huge pair of cajones to be able to succeed in spite of all that and, like some hilariously demonic political version of the Chucky doll from those "Child's Play" movies, she just keeps coming back when her back's against the wall and WINS!

As for the remainder of the Primaries, I have a feeling there will be a closed-door, let's-wrap-this-up and start-fighting-McCain High Powered meeting with Dean and the other Grand Pooh-bahs of the Party after Hillary wins PA to agree on the ticket. And, due to her longevity in the National Political world as well as her undoubted history of experience and the simple fact she knows how to win the important Big States even when out-funded, out-movemented and out-Mediad, I have no doubt she'll be at the Top of the Ticket.

With all Barack had going for him he still couldn't pick up CA, NJ, TX, OH and (perhaps) PA. Those States are crucial in the General.

So perhaps the Saturn station square his Moon is an indication of his depression and frustration being "relegated" -- as if a VP slot is a horrible thing to have -- to being VP.

[Lucinda]

12. That was sort of my point. I I feel a declining energy with him overall, and with the voters

that would lead to a drop in party support. Thats part of why I asked about the next two primaries. I was curious too see of there were indicatiors in their charts to support my intuition.
Sorry I wasnt clear. :)

[okasha]

13. And just as a matter of caution,

I think any unity ticket brokered by the Pooh-Bahs will have to have Obama in the VP slot simply because no one knows yet how the Rezko affair will break. There may be no there there, or there may be the kind of dirt usually accumulated by a Chicago machine politician. It will be a lot easier to drop a VP nominee off the ticket in a emergency than to replace a Presidential candidate.

Which is another reason I'd prefer Clinton/Clark.

[katty]

18. agree - but would Obama take veep?

[Hermes Daughter]

14. Do you see Edwards in the future?

I know you've looked but do you see him in the future - with Hillary or with Gore at the convention? Will she abandon him? I was surprised the other night when Tom Brokow mentioned that "the Dem superstars - Gore and John Edwards - hadn't endorsed yet." Edwards - a "superstar" - with Gore! It felt good to hear the MSM finally acknowledge it.

I feel Obama has an angry side that he's not going to be able to suppress and that he's losing some of his magic. It's was all so unreal and Neptune anyway. I also heard Gore had approached Edwards and asked him to remain neutral so they could broker a peace with the party. I hope he does align with Gore. But will he even be at the convention? What do you see, ccpup?

[PinkTiger]

15. I don't see Edwards as being abandoned.

I see him lending his support and getting a great, plum appointment that utilizes his greatest talents for the good of all.

[katty]

17. and he needs big blue states

[katty]

16. yes,she could close that gap+Wyoming-really feeling the

Mars/Pluto oppos. today!

[ccpup]

30. Hillary is now only 6 points behind Barack in Mississippi

where, a week or so ago, she was 14 points. With that Mars trine her Sun during and after that Primary, I wouldn't be surprised if she eked out a razor-thin win.

She's also only 4 points behind Barack in North Carolina which votes on May 6th. With Tr Jupiter in a sextile with both her Moon and her Mercury/Ascendant during this whole time period -- and Saturn in that square to his Moon --, I anticipate her doing much better than expected in both these contests as well as Pennsylvania.

Just FYI

[stellanoir]

19. That egg on your face totally becomes you dear.

Kidding totally.

[ccpup]

21. are you kidding me?

my pores are FANTASTIC! I look twenty years younger ... or I need to clean my mirror again. Either way, I've got no complaints.

:evilgrin:

[stellanoir]

22. I said I was kidding silly

[ccpup]

23. ah, and I was kidding back

damn that touchy Pluto-Mars thingy-ma-bob up in the Heavens right now!

(shaking fist at sky in a very Aries fashion ... then got bored with it, put the fist down and tried to figure out what that shiny object was I just saw ... or was there a shiny object? ... I forget ... oh well, now what was I doing? oh yeah, eating chocolate ... :9 )

:P

[stellanoir]

24. just don't choke on it hon

[ccpup]

25. choke on chocolate?

ah, no, never. But, damn, what a way to go, right?

In fact, I suspect the Buddhists consider that one of those ways of Passing that only the finest, purest, most enlightened Souls get as a gift at the end of their physical lives. Like Passing in one's sleep?

Choking on chocolate (like the truly decadent, hard-to-find kind from Paris that I'm enjoying) has to be on the list, I swear! Or at least I've now decided it is.

But I ain't going anytime soon. :evilgrin:

[stellanoir]

26. I'll trust that for sure.

[katty]

20. MSNBC net-trolls must be reading this DU section...they

are now going to have info on the candidates astrological charts-it was just promo'd. i am sure they will screw it up!

[Helga Scow Stern]

28. Did they have it? Did you see it?

Just curious....:P

[katty]

29. there was mention in promo and then I had to leave my

office...so I will check around, but I did see/hear the anchor mention it-rather fun.

[eilen]

27. I'm thinking Florida will seat their delegates without a revote/caucus.

I wonder if Obama will feel that his campaign had been undermined by the DNC, will they tell him put up or shut up? The effect of this perceived lack of support can really take the wind out of a Leo's sails. He will no longer feel the love and may feel disenchanted and disillusioned with the process. I can feel that Michelle Obama will be very upset by this and maybe pressure him to fight the decision in court-- but Obama may not have the emotional energy for it thus causing friction (Sat. oppose her Venus, oppose his emotional moon).

This is all conjecture, just a possibliity.