Something's coming. A cautionary statement, not a prediction really.

[PinkTiger]

Sorry, guys. I've been trying to hold off after the brouhaha over my Edwards prediction, but I feel I must post this.
The last few weeks I've been doubting myself, as I predicted a Hillary Clinton win in November and "saw" her being sworn into office.
Obama's surge and primary wins have made me think I was either wildly employing wish-think, or seeing an alternate reality on another plain. And, I have not been able to conjure the inaugural for several weeks. It as though a veil has gone down between me and that moment.

And this morning, I saw something disturbing. The McCain camp is starting to see Obama as the man to beat, and they have stepped up the rhetoric. (Not a prediction, just an observation.) Obama's appeal may be on the wane, because I sense it has reached its peak. However, if he is not the nominee, there may be some issues we must deal with that involve violence and death.

A few months ago it struck me one day that the similarities between this year and 1968 were eerie. We had an unpopular war and a president who was not running for office. We had civil unrest and people who had not been involved in the electoral process getting behind a charismatic candidate who promised change. We had a divided Democratic Party and a brokered convention that broke out in riots, riots that reverberated through the fabric of the nation for years and changed the way America looked at politics. The Chicago Eight are indicted. The Weathermen rise. The Soledad 7 (not directly related, but part of the Black Panther movement that got momentum from the Chicago Riots) and Angela Davis.

We may be in for a rocky, rocky time in the next four or five years. And I sense a lot of pain and some very sad things.

I'm not ready to make any predictions right now. I do see a lot of images and I'm getting a lot of information, but I don't feel prepared to share. Is anyone else getting impressions on this?

[I Have A Dream]

1. Thanks for sharing this, PinkTiger.

I have no predictions, but I wanted to show my support for what you're sharing with us.

[lildreamer316]

2. This makes sense to me because

....on a purely observational level, I can't see us not electing Obama...I think it's almost a given that he will at least be the nominee. (I'd like to state that this is not indicative of my preference one way or another, I just see it as an inevitability - I fear race riots if we do NOT make him the nominee. Qualified or not. Sorry, that's how I feel.) I don't know how this is going to sit with 1) the other half of the Dem party that is not supporting him, and 2)prejudiced Repugs.

I am hoping that Gore and others can bring some level of sense to the proceedings, but it may be too much to handle.

I look foreword to whatever else you have to say. I know it may be rough for us, but birth, or re-birth, is a tumultuous process.

[Dover]

3. Astrologically the parallels with the 1960's are definitely there.

Can't recall what the markets/economy were doing then, but that and global warming issues are some additional wild cards this year that weren't on the radar back then.

I don't know if you could call this psychic so much as an intuitive tickle, but I watched the Charlie Rose interview with Bill Clinton in mid-December. Bill was promoting his book and his wife. But you know when you hear something and it sets off those inner alarm bells because there is something just off...some dissonance? Well, toward the end of the interview Charlie asked Bill who he thought the Republican contender would be (or something like that).
Bill said he thought McCain looked strong. At this point both Charlie and I did a double take...huh? McCain looked like a fading blip on the radar screen at that point (just prior to the January primaries). And I thought...hmmmmm...very interesting.
Sounded like Bill knew something the rest of us didn't. Maybe a deal was struck? I don't know what that might mean for the election outcome, but am also not forgetting that astrologically, election day/week may be full of surprises.

I don't think it will matter much who gets selected for office. The people are not gonna be very happy about a LOT of things.

And most immediately, astrologically speaking, is a rough first week of March with a Mars/Pluto opposition which aspects the U.S. Midheaven/Nadir axis (using the Sag. rising chart). Dirty deeds.

[BanzaiBonnie]

4. A friend and I are concerned

we have both had impressions that someone is going to try to assassinate Obama. The Cheney machine may be at work.

[stellanoir]

5. Saturn is opposing Uranus on election day morning

in the opposing signs to where the opposition occurred in late '65 & throughout '66.

On one level it's freedom versus tyranny. Back then Chiron and Pluto were involved in the opposition and that was in a way, the astrological setup for the unrest that followed in the next couple years.

Did you happen to see this channelling ?

http://www.kryon.com/k_channel08_Newenergy.html

I read a slew of channellings but only less than about 20% resonate with me. That one always does though.

I've been feeling as though '08 & '09 will be an especially wild ride.

[Cleita]

6. Try as I may, I cannot get a picture of who will be inaugurated

on January 20, 2009. Will there even be an inauguration? What have the BFEE and neo-cons planned so that there will not be a change of guard in the White House next year? If one of our Democrats wins in November, and it looks like Obama will be the one, what do they have planned?

There seems to be a trend in my home state of California of the courts overturning our votes on various issues starting with the election of our last legitimate governor Grey Davis that was overturned with the recall. Most recently, a vote that was made locally was overturned by the superior court here in my home town. Totalitarian Facism seems to be on the march with the elections only be used as placebos so the population doesn't riot, just so long as the results that they don't like don't get to happen.

[PinkTiger]

8. Cleita, I'm going to work on this.

This evening, if I can, I'm going to do a structured meditation and Tarot reading, plus a pendulum (using representative Tarot cards) to see if I can get a handle on this. I'll post here if I get decent results. And I can PM anyone who is interested, with private details.

[Cleita]

11. Thanks!

I would be interested in a PM with details. I'm going to try to concentrate as well on this. Awhile ago I put up a Tarot reading where I asked the question as to whom the Democratic nominee would be. The answer I got was the Hanged Man. It was confusing to me then but somehow it seems more significant now. Another DUer also has said that she comes up with the Hanged Man in readings.

[The Blue Flower]

12. I'd be interested

Please include me in the PM group.

[Bluestar]

13. Hi PinkTiger--can you PM me on your results

I would be very interested. Also, I just wanted to remind you that on this thread, you made a statement:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=245&topic_id=59541#59590

that there would be another death. Here is your exact quote:

Well, some time ago on this forum, when we were talking about Presidential candidates, I said
There would be a death, and that death would make a huge change in the way the presidency was seen by voters.
This is the death I saw, and now that it has happened, I can talk about it. I knew it would happen, I knew it would ba woman, and I saw her. There will be another death that make a difference, but compared to this one, it will have a more residual impact rather than a shockwave effect.

I just wanted to remind you of your post to see if it triggers anything. Thanks for your thoughts and predictions.

[liberalnurse]

15. I read your post regarding your planned work and meditation.

I would really appreciate you considering sharing with me your findings and impression. Sounds like a great plan.

Judy
Liberalnurse

[saracat]

16. Pink Tiger, I would be very interested. I too feel something big is about to happen.Please PM me!

[Flying Dream Blues]

24. I'd love a PM also, Pink Tiger. Thanks! nt

[okasha]

28. Pink Tiger,

I'd appreciate a pm, too.

Thank you.

[silverlib]

29. I too would really appreciate knowing what you come up with (n/t)

[MorningGlow]

43. I'd love to know, too, please, PT

I would find your results very interesting. Thanks! :hi:

[Fire Walk With Me]

7. A psychic I've studied with says that the next decade and a half will be rough, but worth it.

He's a master of understatement. He characterized this process as the struggle between those who want to live in the world, and those who want to run it.

[Why Syzygy]

9. "Obama's appeal may be on the wane"

"However, if he is not the nominee"... Huh?

I'm getting impressions alright.

[PinkTiger]

14. I'll try to elucidate.

If he is the nominee, he will be in danger. I see that clearly, although I'm not certain and I don't necessarily see an assassination attempt. The powers that be (whoever THEY are) do not want to martyr anyone. However, a different group of people will be causing violence if he is NOT the nominee. I see that clearly.

The only thing that will prevent violence and death is a compromise between factions at the convention. And I'm not the only one who sees this. Both of our candidates are aware. There have been threats and they have already been dealing with attempted violence. This is one of the reasons for the united front they have been trying to show when appearing together. Obama's people, however, were trying to back away from that united front for a bit, to influence the primaries. The truth is, both Clinton and Obama are aware and united to a large extent not realized by the media and the followers on both sides.

I really sense a marriage of sorts is in the offing. It may come down to a coin toss, and I'm not joking.

[The Blue Flower]

10. I'm feeling it, too

I have a sense that we're about to feel a seismic shift in the world we know. That the early tremors are already happening and everything is about to change. It's what we've all been preparing for, but kind of scary in its significance.

[japple]

17. I've got the feeling too. Something is wrong with the

way the primaries are turning out. Seems to me that Hillary Clinton should be getting more votes. I may be completely wrong about this because I don't watch TV news and only get my "news" from NPR and the internet. My concern is that the controllers will "let" Obama become the nominee, then he will be defeated by a John McCain/Jeb Bush ticket, because "America just isn't ready for a black president," then John McCain will die of a heart attack, and Jeb Bush will become president.

[Delphinus]

20. Holy crap, japple!

That's one scary thought!

[liberalnurse]

45. I too see a McCain/Jebbie repug ticket.

I said that about a month ago when McCain took the lead.

[Why Syzygy]

46. Is there another Bush brother?

That makes a lot of sense, and especially since Poppy has retooled the McCain train. I just don't get that it will be Jeb. Whoever it is, will be a Bush cabal insider. That much is written.

[crikkett]

54. brother Neil.

He sells educational software (and accessories!) that caters to the NCLB industry. Most clients are in Texas. Many investors are big whosits from all over the globe.

[Why Syzygy]

55. Maybe him then.

I read some interview quotes from McCain, and he blew off the notion he might choose a woman or black man. He said he doesn't think in those "Machiavellian ways". HA! What he meant, is he's going with a white man.

[Flying Dream Blues]

23. japple, that scenario has been my fear all along.

How I hope that never, ever happens. I've been trying to keep myself from thinking about it so as not to put it out to the universe.

If that were to happen, all pretense would be gone that we're still living in a democracy.

[ccpup]

18. astrologically, you're right

His SP Jupiter and SP Sun (that's Secondary Progressed for those who are curious) are close to an exact trine on March 4th and then, after that, it's all Neptune and Saturn and Chiron and quincunx and square and opposition. Not to say that he won't still be popular -- because he will, undoubtedly --, but the Progression that seems to be carrying him right now will be on the wane soon. And, as Hillary ain't conceding anytime soon (and has some breathing easier astrology up ahead), he may be hitting some rough spots ahead as that moves away and reality -- in the guise of Saturn and, oddly enough, Neptune -- begin affecting both his and Michelle's charts.

I'll save my Election and Inauguration Day astro-thoughts for another Thread of my own. But I did feel the need to chime in and thank you for your thoughts.

[Mojorabbit]

19. I have been having visions

for a good while now of fires, people running, water, starvation, violence, grey and grainy skies to come in the fairly near future. I can't seem to separate that stuff out from the election itself. At least five people I know are having the same type of dreams or visions this past year.

I keep telling my husband, I don't know what is going to happen, but something is and it will be big. Since he has over twenty five years of my intuition he is paying attention. I just wish i could get a firmer grasp on what I am sensing. It is so disconcerting.

[Why Syzygy]

26. OMG!

Clinton's Austin campaign office had a fire. I just saw it coming up on the news.

oops. just smoke . no fire

[ropi]

44. same dreams here

civil unrest, shortages, anger, appears to start in a southern coastal city and from there it escalates...

[Callie McAllie]

21. I'm no psychic, but...

Based on my observation of the Bush regime over the past 7 years, I have half-jokingly been telling folks I know to expect some kind of terrorist event as an October surprise that will prompt Bush and company to postpone the elections for security reasons. I know it sounds insane, but is it any more insane than hanging back while terrorists blow up targets on US soil on 9/11 and turning that into an excuse to invade Iraq? I don't think so.

That's not my vision, or my prediction, but my fear. I put nothing past these guys. Nothing.

[mysticalchick]

22. Good thread, PT

... and I'm glad to see others opening up and sharing their thoughts/feelings/impressions. I think something is in the wind as well and nothing right now would surprise me. My sense is that we are being "allowed" to think we have choices in the candidates but really, they have been chosen for us and in fact, the end result is already set in place. What that will be, I do not know but whatever it is, it's not going to be pretty.

Things just feel really .... peculiar ... to me. John Edwards up and dropping out like he did was strange, the "rock star" treatment Obama is getting, as if he will be the one to fix everything (as if anyone can right this ship that easily), and how Bill and Hillary's lust for power (my words here) is being shown in full view. And McCain - his campaign was DEAD just this past fall. And all of a sudden, he's the chosen one? No. That makes no sense.

So, something is afoot and add me into the PMs re: anything you don't feel comfortable printing out here. Looks like many of us have our gifts in "sensing" the energy, doesn't it?

Peace,
L

[cliss]

25. Thanks for the thoughts, Pink Tiger.

As far as myself, here are my thoughts.
I can't claim to have any unusual insights or clairvoyant messages to share with the people who post here.
The information is available - you just have to connect your thoughts to the Universal Mind and it becomes more clear.
I think it's out there - we ourselves are writing the script which becomes reality based on our current choices and decisions.

Near Future - not good.
Like yourself, Pink Tiger I don't see good things coming. I've had these feelings of unease for years now. I remember back in 2000 during the Y-2-K scare. I became almost possessed, became a maniacal "hoarder" did a lot of studying, tried to become a real expert on food storage. Y-2-K came and went, and nothing happened. I realized later, it wasn't about the Y-2-K.... it was about something else.

Personal predictions for 2008 - 2009.
I see every aspect of the US collapsing in 2008. Housing, jobs, credit, oil, gas, global good will, military power, every form of security that people thought would protect them (like pension plans, 401(k)'s, stock market, investments) is going to disappear. We are slowly being stripped of all our assets.
I see hundreds of thousands of people going hungry. Large sections of cities empty, with weeds growing and paper blowing in the wind.
We'll enter a period of unbelievable political uncertainty. I don't see any real leader emerging, at least not yet.
In a sense, it doesn't really matter who gets in to the White House. It could be the janitor down the street he would do just as good a job as anyone else.
Whoever goes in will simply be a custodial occupant as we go through our necessary changes.
Think of it as we're all sitting on the Titanic. Or a very slow moving Quick Sand. We should be thankful that we have been given a huge gift: TIME to prepare. I think the Great Spirit, or the last remants of our Good Karma from good deeds done in the past, has bought us a little bit of time to prepare for the New Dynamics.

New way of Life.
The U.S. as we know it is finished. We will not recover from the holocaust that's coming. The US will probably divide into "regions" or countries. Our role as global hegemon is over.

Best way to prepare.
Think small. Small houses. Small cars, small bodies, small egos (no more arrogance!) small drains on the environment.
Survival will be paramount.

[PinkTiger]

31. Whoa

Lighten up, Francis. LOL
I'm not sure it is as dire as all that. I'll be back in awhile with my meditation results.

[elleng]

33. PT,

pm me too, please?

[cliss]

27. 1 other thought ~

it has to do with future prognostication.

This is a hobby of mine. I've been curious about prophets (current and from the past) who predicted things. I've read everything from Nostradamus to Mother Shipton to Edgar Cayce to G-M Scallion. Also current prophets have my attention.

I must have read over 100 books on the subject. (just the scientist in me, I guess) Love to see how accurate they were.

I even check in to Prophecies.US to see what the "random" posters have to say.

Interestingly, the vast majority of predictions have been about natural disasters. Meteors striking the earth. Holocausts. By far the most numerous: earthquakes and flooding. Absolutely no contest.

I believe we will meet our doom through an economic meltdown, not through some kind of natural disaster. How many predicted that?

Only one that I know of: Paramahansa Yogananda, back in the 1930's he predicted an economic crisis. Also his disciple Swami Kriyananada made a similar prediction back in the 1960's. Interesting....

[Fire Walk With Me]

30. I think that the future is fluid, and that enough positive energy and intent can change it.

This is only a recent conclusion for me.

I believe that we are in a lot of potential trouble, but every bit of positive energy helps to change it. Every bit of negative energy reinforces the old direction, however. Bush and friends are of course doing everything they can to spread fear and nuclear weapons to various countries, re-creating the old cold-war dynamics. Please help to obsolete them with positive prayer and meditation.

Have you tried the Infinity Breath? This packs a lot of positive energy.

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/messages/nov11/aamichl.htm

[PinkTiger]

32. OK - I'm back.

I feel pretty good about the reading. It said we really don't have to worry, that everything is under control and we will know something next month, about this time, if not before. Two to four weeks. The jist of it is, the Democratic race is close. It is so close, that the two frontrunners are in talks. This is all happening behind the scenes. John Edwards was instrumental, as was Al Gore, in getting the two people together and talking to them about possibilities. The only problems have been that some of the people surrounding the two candidates are having some difficulty coming to terms with the "terms." But that is all being resolved.
They have made a deal, and I think it hinges on who wins the delegate race about who will be "on top," so to speak. I will PM the reading to those people who mentioned they wanted it. I did not do the pendulum because I didn't see the need.

[elleng]

34. Sounds good to me, PT,

and 'some of the people surrounding the two' sounds to me like how I view the Dem party generally, that is, the 'professional' Dem party= NOT a constructive bunch.

Thanks

[Silver Gaia]

35. Pink Tiger, could you please PM me, too? Thanks.

I just finally made it over here tonight (well, it's actually morning, now), and found this thread, which I've read with great interest.

My husband and I were talking about this very thing this morning, and sharing our impressions with each other. We have both been feeling much as you described in your OP.

The results of your reading are encouraging, though. Any further details you can share via PM would be much appreciated. Thanks.

[lildreamer316]

36. Please PM me also..

if you do not mind. Thank you for your work...

[eilen]

37. PM me too!!!

I just finished reading an article in the magazine _ The Mountain Astrologer_#137 Feb/Mar 2008 discussing the global influence of Pluto in Capricorn
a quote:

"The period from November 2009 to the summer of 2010 is extremely volatile, and I expect an escalation of conflict, particularly in the Middle East, that can easily spread to the entire world. Following this, Pluto and Uranus will form a series of squares from late 2011 to early 2016, with the most significant and critical time period spanning the summer of 2012 to early 2015.

These collective planets are extreme in nature, and the square signals the most intense combination of energies, as evidenced by the last example of such a configuration, which brought us Nazism and Fascism (amongst other radical movements) in the early 1930s (article then explains it was in the opposite sign ---Cancer-- focus on race & eugenics).

A struggle is indicated since Saturn, standing for the military-industrial complex, opposes Uranus signalling a breakdown of the old order and authority but only through a radical and intense confrontation; it is unlikely that Saturn will gracefully relinquish the control it has enjoyed for so long. ......This renewal will not be completed and concretised into new forms of government until after the Pluto-Saturn conjunction of 2020." Pluto in Capricorn: 2008-23 An Astrological Study by Maurice Lavenant

In the article, the author discusses an increase in conflict over natural resources (esp. oil), issues with food supply and decreased population, economic crisis with changes in the monetary system, reversal of globalization, increased attempts of government control over people, changes in work ethics, spiritual crisis, and possibility of more earthquakes. Basically, that there is great pressure for changes in the world, that those changes will be take quite a bit of resistance, struggle to obtain and it will hurt and get much worse before it gets better. Also it may take longer than this one Pluto transit to achieve desired result/ ultimate transformation-- it may take two Pluto/Capricorn transits.

It was a very interesting article and this is part 1 of 3 articles the author is writing regarding this transit.

My feeling is that the fears of the millennium with the attendant storing up of household commodities were a foreshadowing and it seemed that it did not come to anything yet now we are looking at oil costing over $100 a barrel with no end in sight and predictably, the costs of food have increased and soon most everything else as the dollar falls in value.

[rosesaylavee]

49. Perhaps they will decide to be on the same ticket?

Some of their supporters head will explode but that would be the best possible outcome for the party and for winning the WH come November.

[tanyev]

38. Maybe this is our chance for a do-over to get a more positive outcome.

[BlueIris]

40. I still think working to manifest the president you want is worth a shot.

[BlueIris]

39. Huh. For once, we're on the same wavelength (sorta).

As I've intimated before, I have also seen a president being inaugurated on what I've always assumed was Jan. 20, 2009, but in the last few weeks, have begun to doubt that what I saw could still come to pass. And I also fear for Senators Obama and Clinton, because I have had visions of 2008 which aren't consistent with either one of them getting this far, including a flash which involved someone accepting the nomination who wasn't Obama, Clinton, or my president. So, I think it's possible we're into territory that neither we nor the Republicans foresaw.

And if you ask me, the connections between 1968 and 2008 are the elephant in the proverbial living room.

[PinkTiger]

41. AS My daughter used to say,

Elephanuts. (she couldn't pronounce it.) LOL

[BluePatriot]

42. I'd like a PM

I'm willing to share that I had a dream about a year ago showing various exits from a path toward destruction in Iraq (I was in a van in Baghdad with various freeway exits toward a better path out of a bad neighborhood) and the final exit before we were all ambushed and killed was "President Hillary Clinton" It was very odd for me because I never followed nor particularly care for HRC. I took the dream to mean that if she isn't president, the path we are on there is set and unchangeable from that point, and things will go south fast. She's the last-chance exit...It was a pretty intense dream. Only dream in which I've ever died. However I guess anything is possible...death being a symbol of change, bypassing Clinton=change is another way to take it.

[cliss]

47. What an amazing dream.

It's interesting that your dream took place in Baghdad Iraq. It's interesting that you lost your life in that country. Do you suppose that we are karmically linked with Iraq?

= meaning, our fate is tied with theirs. As the government tries to steal their oil, our economy goes downhill as long as we're there. I've posted many times that "as we destroy Iraq, we ourselves will be destroyed". It's proving to be impossible to hang onto the oil even though we desperately need it to fuel our own economy.

Interesting also that you seem to be given a warning, meaning the situation is not yet final. It seems that there is still time to get out.

Please keep us updated on any new developments.

[Delphinus]

48. Ooh, cliss,

this I've posted many times that "as we destroy Iraq, we ourselves will be destroyed". sounds so much like something I learned a long time ago: It is impossible to do unto others without simultaneously doing the same to ourselves.

[BluePatriot]

50. Thanks

I wish I could remember what the other "exit ramps" were. The driver wouldn't take any and we were passing them all up. I was just a passenger in a group of people, who kept commenting on the deteriorating scenery/conditions all around, and insisting we exit, but, no one could agree. The group couldn't decide what to do and so the driver just kept going on the same path. Sounds familiar, huh?

I'll tell the group about any more dreams. I've only started dreaming again in general, it has been a few years. I was quite good at going lucid in college and had a lot of fun. Not precog terribly often, maybe 6 or 7 times in my life, and usually about very mundane things. I wish I could get back into it, though. Having another body in the bed and a street light outside the window makes me sleep wrong, lol.

[eilen]

51. I have been having a terrible time

remembering my dreams as my cats keep waking me up and pestering me, taking me out of them. I get very annoyed and lose everything. Especially at 4:30 am. I can't wait for Spring, then they will go outside at night so I can get some decent sleep. We've even considered finding a dog to keep them in line and out of our room. LOL

[Why Syzygy]

52. Spray bottle.

Don't need a dog. Just give them a good squirt.

[crikkett]

53. your dream seems to resonate at many levels, individual and groupwise

"Having another body in the bed and a street light outside the window makes me sleep wrong, lol."

LOL indeed, there are days nights when I wonder why I thought another body in the bed was so desirous. That was when I didn't think I needed sleep.

(kidding of course)
:hi:

[Why Syzygy]

56. Separate beds.

More common than you might think.

[BluePatriot]

57. That sounds so 50's!

Naaa, we can't do that, we have a loft apartment. Sometimes I will take the couch. What has helped was upgrading to a queen bed, getting a memory foam topper, and finding a way to block out light and noise. Although the SO is pretty pointy - 6 ft 4 in, 140 lbs, elbows that could shatter steel, he stays on his side...I stay on mine!

Looks like we are stuck here for now. Lot of costs coming up. Sigh. Miss having my own room.

[Why Syzygy]

58. 50's, yeah, but it is making a come back.

I've been single a long time. I hate to mention this because it sounds like I'm a tramp.
I've just been in sleeping arrangements a few times. Once, he couldn't sleep in the same bed due to health issues. That turned out to be fine. Ten years ago, I made one room my sleep room, and my bf at the time had a fit. It has to be agreed on by both parties so one isn't abandoned. I really think it's a good idea and feel strongly it would have to be a component should I ever enter a live in relationship again. I might not get an objection since I snore like a freight train.