And now there were five. Four if you leave Huckabee out, six if you add Ron Paul.

[PinkTiger]

I am speaking of candidates for the presidency, with both parties. Umm. Let's see, what do we have?

Romney: A Morman Governor of an Eastern state (Mass) who isn't resonating with his party very well.

McCain: An Arizona Senator whose claim to fame is his years being held captive by the Viet Cong, and who, some say, is too old and too crazed to be a good president.

Mike Huckabee: Former governor of Arkansas who discounts the dinosaurs and doggedly supports the rapture. LOL, I hope he gets it.

Hillary Clinton: 2nd term Senator from New York who served as First Lady under her husband, a two-term U.S. President and 12-year governor of Arkansas. She is not part of the machine. She is a self-made person who built her own network. She doesn't owe the Kennedys anything.

Barack Obama: 1st term Senator from Illinois who served in the Illinois legislature and is a product of the Chicago Democratic machine. He has been endorsed by Ted Kennedy, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Governor Sebelius of Kansas, Oprah Winfrey, etc.

OK - this is how I see it. I'm willing to give you another prediction, if you want.

[I Have A Dream]

1. Yes, I would like to hear your prediction, please.

:)

[PinkTiger]

2. OK.

At this point, not a whole lot is written by the "fickle finger of fate," except that the end result has been preferentially given to a woman. However, in the past few days, I have been seeing some other things, and I will tell you now what I see.

The so-called rancor between Hillary and Obama is being orchestrated. It is meant to put certain people in a position to be "kingmakers." This will fail. Senator Clinton comes from a position of strength and knowledge, and the forces are with her. She does not need nor does she court such help. (she has received a few endorsements, but not the kind that come with strings.) Obama, on the other hand, has accepted several of these endorsements that come with strings. He is making a grave error, and this is why I am now pretty sure that the vice presidential candidate I saw with the blonde woman presidential candidate is not him. However, it is a person of color. She will choose a person of color as her running mate.

The Republican race is certainly interesting. Now that Guiliani is out, Huckabee will begin to move forward. He will rise to great popularity in the GOP on Super Tuesday, and this will revive his campaign. He may very well become the frontrunner and I have seen him as the candidate; I actually saw this a long time ago and kept saying, "No, NO," but now I think I saw correctly. He is truly a dark horse who comes from behind.

He will choose, as his running mate, somebody who is not now in the race. It may be a woman.

[rumpel]

7. very interesting

and how amazing you predicted even the day JE will drop out.

..and yet, I am not thrilled by either of the two. :(

[PinkTiger]

9. I didn't really predict it. I relayed the message.

That is all. I really didn't do it myself.

[MorningGlow]

3. Go for it, PT!

I'm totally stumped at this point. Doesn't help that my heart is taking a timeout to whimper in the corner for a while over Edwards dropping out. It's going to take me a bit to regroup. In the meantime, I'm keen to hear any impressions at all about this weird election cycle.

[Cleita]

4. The crucial question is are we going to have another Republican

President? I hope not. If Hillary is the one, I feel she can be pushed to the left and made to do the right thing over time IMHO. What do you think?

[PinkTiger]

5. She is not heavily influenced by anyone, which is good.

Her take on all this is very reasonable.

[Why Syzygy]

6. What are the strings

the Kennedys have with Obama? What does he owe them? What does he owe Oprah?

I didn't know this.

[PinkTiger]

8. There is always quid pro quo involved in this type of poltical maneuvering.

I'm not sure what they are, but I can guess: probably a cabinet post for a buddy or two; and a pet project or so that will gain momentum under an Obama presidency. However, I don't think Ted really believes Obama will prevail. However, when they get to the convention, Ted will have Obama in his pocket and will be able to trade favors for his work in brokering the convention, HE THINKS. If They try to to play this type of hard ball with Hillary Clinton, they will lose. It's all about the power, guys.

[Bluestar]

11. Regarding the person of color as her running mate

I have heard the name of Harold Ford, Jr. being floated as a possible running mate for her. This makes sense as he is from the south (Dems always choose a running mate from the south). Is he the person you are seeing at the inauguration?

[PinkTiger]

17. I'm sorry, I don't know him.

What I know I saw in the future at the inauguration. It was a vision, but with a veil. I could only see so much. And some of it was as though I was remembering it from a long time ago, which is really strange. I may be channeling my future self.

[PinkTiger]

18. I apologize for not knowing him. I went to look him up.

And I don't think so. He has too much baggage, in that he lost his last election (although it was close) and he has some controversial issues, and he never passed the bar.
Hillary would want somebody with more experience and less negative baggage, I would hope. But he also didn't resonate with my far memory.

[Bluestar]

10. Re: What does he owe Oprah?

I'm not sure where I heard this over the past few days, but I remember that I had heard it about a year and a half ago and had forgotten (does that make sense?)

Oprah actually approached Obama with the idea of running for president and told him that she would endorse him. In other words, she is using her wealth and fame to push an agenda of some type. I don't think it is an evil agenda, but let's face it she is probably bored with all of her fame and money and wants to take it to the next level. It could be some promises he made to her about support for Africa--that would seem to be where her passion lies now.

[Why Syzygy]

12. Well then ..

In cases like this, I suppose the question becomes, who is owed what. I don't have a problem with Kennedy having some input. He is a faithful liberal. I don't have a problem with aid to Africa. Anyone should do what we can in that situation. The Bush administration has denied them drugs for AIDs. Is that right? I should get upset because someone might actually do the right thing?

Now, think about Hillary's quid pro .. Are we trying to pretend she owes no one? Not the pharmaceutical companies? I'm not an expert on this, but others have posted her ties to big corp. What do they want? To continue to deny Africa drugs for their pandemic? Oh. Much better.

[Bluestar]

13. The problem that I see is that

we should be taking care of Americans first (remember Katrina and all the poverty). If there are priorities for the money (and there always are) a promise to Oprah about aid to Africa could take precedence over aid to our own people. That would be a string that is attached.

I am in favor of helping Africa and the AIDS situation as well, I'm just pointing out what could happen.

[Why Syzygy]

14. Someone else made that same point

a couple of weeks ago. I was interviewing roommates, and one was a young woman of color. We started talking about Oprah for some reason. She said the same thing. She has a problem with Oprah because of our own issues with poverty.

This is pretty much off topic now, but since it's on the table .. many parts of Africa are using alternative energy. They can't afford oil. I think that's wonderful. It could happen that we sink while grasping fossil fuels, while other third world countries that don't have that luxury learn to survive on natural energy. They could very well be the richer nation in the future. I'll state again that I'm not an expert on Africa. But, from what I do know, it seems what they need most desperately is a way to defend against AIDs. That doesn't have to carry a high price tag. Check the pharmco's stock prices and dividends.

I kind of assumed that most everyone here agrees that our Mother has plenty for all her children. Governments are the ones who cause the pain and suffering, including famine. The earth isn't attacking us. NOLA is a good example. Government entities didn't care to take precautions to protect the people. Perhaps because they were "poor", or dark, or just because they don't care about people.

No. I'm not in favor of policy that says, we come first no matter what happens to you.
There are enough solutions for everyone. It should be obvious that selfishness isn't the answer.

[Bluestar]

22. Re: your comment

"I kind of assumed that most everyone here agrees that our Mother has plenty for all her children. Governments are the ones who cause the pain and suffering, including famine."

I agree that the earth has enough to provide for everyone living here. Unfortunately, that isn't yet a "truth" that we are experiencing. The mass consciousness must decide (it's not the government)that we experience abundance. Until that tipping point is reached, we will continue to experience scarcity and be forced to decide priorities. I make no apology for my belief that we take care of those we have committed to first (our families, our country), as I also believe everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[PinkTiger]

23. No question: we should take care of ourselves first.

We are taught to put on our oxygen mask in the airplane before helping others, for example, because it is only then that we can be of real help to others. The same idea goes for our families, our communities, and our country. But we have an obligation to take care of those who cannot help themselves, and that includes people in this country and those in other countries.

[PinkTiger]

16. Of course Hillary has cronies. BUT

She doesn't owe people the same way. One of the reasons she is so "hated" by some politicians is, she doesn't owe them. Take Kennedy, for example. He likes to run the show, and wants to be in the catbird seat. The Clintons don't need him. For one thing, when they did need him, he wasn't there. So they built their own sphere of influence without him. Bill and Hillary are influential enough without the help from those kind of influences. SO, what this means is, they can get there on their own now without the deep strings. This puts everyone else in the unenviable position of going to them for things, instead of the other way around. They are kingmakers. We should be happy about this. This is tantamount to having GWB in the running in 2000, but without the idiot candidate and the crooked, underhanded agenda.

She does not owe the pharmaceuticals; they owe her. It is so different now. They will have to do things the way she wants in order to survive. And I think that includes knuckling under for the health care reforms she wants and the AIDS relief she will seek for AFRICA. Oprah? Well, she wanted to be a kingmaker, too. So many people have a desire to make a difference. She wants to use her considerable money to make a difference, but she also wants to be able to say she did it. What an ego boost, I suppose. She will be denied this time around unless she gets on board the right train in time.

[Why Syzygy]

19. Kingmakers.

That is not a comfort from where I sit. I'm not looking for Kingmakers. I feel sick.

[PinkTiger]

21. I'm very sorry.

The problem is, everyone here is taking all this too personally. I tend to do that, too, and I have to stop. That is why I'm saying all this now.
LOL

[stellanoir]

15. Hey Pink

Do you have a feeling about Bloomberg?

I think he's waiting to see the results of Super Tuesday, but is seriously considering running.

If he does the conventional wisdom about third party candidates might fly out the window because of the levels of disenchantment with both parties and the totally unimpressive choices available to the Republicans.

[PinkTiger]

20. Nope. None. nt