Request for the experts down here

[WilliamPitt]

I got into a conversation with a friend last night about astrological signs and couple compatability. She didn't know what signs work with me, so I thought I'd ask down here.

I'm a Scorpio born in Washington DC at 1:00pm on November 9, 1971. My last relationship was with a Leo and lasted for over eight years, but was tempestuous and finally went down like the goddam Hindenberg.

Any insights would be appreciated.

[loudsue]

1. Well....Leo isn't a bad match in many ways, but there are other parts to

consider.

When you were born, the Moon was in the sign of Leo, and that Moon falls in your house (area of your chart) of marriage. Leo is a sign that forms a nice relationship to a grouping of important and personal planets you have in the sign of Sagittarius. (Leo and Sagittarius are both fire signs, and see the world in similar, or compatible, ways.) So there would be many nice and easy (and fun) aspects between your former girlfriend's Sun sign (Leo), and your Moon in Leo, as well as your planets (Venus, Mercury, Neptune and Jupiter) in Sagittarius.

The kicker to the deal, and probably some of what caused the "tempestuousness" in the relationship, is that Leo and Scorpio are in a square aspect (squared-off, if you will), and they are both in what is called "fixed" signs....i.e., stubborn, not too willing to move or budge from a stated position or mindset. Fixed signs also offer stability and focus, so they aren't bad in themselves. They can just cause a little difficulty when compromise is required.

Not knowing what HER birthday/time/place is, I can't say what other things (planetary aspects) she might have had going on in relationship to your planets. But, her Sun being in the sign of Leo wasn't necessarily the deal-breaker. Sometimes people who have their Sun signs in square to each other, actually have a great deal of attraction to one another. With you having your own Moon in Leo, you would likely feel she was familiar to you; her attitude/posture/ways of behaving, would mirror how you view women.

Another thing to note: you have Aquarius as your rising sign, and this placement often makes a person quite independent -- and not appreciative of someone making many "demands", or being too possessive. If she exhibited those traits, you would likely have felt stifled, at times.

That's all I can do with just her Sun sign, Will. But I would say that Leo or Sagittarius would be fairly nice Sun sign combinations for you....if the rest of the chart (of the woman) was also fairly compatible.

:kick:

[Eloriel]

2. Remember

you have a highly conflicted chart yourself. (Read: you ain't no prize in the relationship department.)

You also have a natal Sun/Moon square (Sun in Scorpio, Moon in Leo), so any Leo energies are going to touch off your OWN conflicts from your own Sun/Moon square. I would consider not trying to hook up with Leo, Aquarius or Taurus Sun Signs, esp. those born in the middle of these zodiacal periods (as opposed to the first or last few days), BUT at the same time I always tell people that Sun Signs are such a very, very small part of what goes on in compatibility astrology that they shouldn't base anything on sun sign compatibility.

In your own case, witb your fierce and dynamic T-squares in mutable signs (Jupiter, Venus, Mercury and Neptune all in Sag opposing Saturn in Gemini and all of that opposing your fist-first Mars in Pisces in the first house), your whole damn chart is a conflict. The fact that your Venus AND Mars are opposite and square Saturn, respectively, sets you up for eternal and perennial relationship problems.

Can you someday find the perfect mate? I don't (can't) know. You might, tho I have trouble imagining it looking at your natal chart. It would take a very strong woman, and someone you didn't end up feeling superior to, something else I have trouble imagining while looking at your chart.

If you can mellow and mature enough to learn to handle your provocative, pugnacious, combative T-square, who knows what miracles you can wrangle?

I might suggest Buddhism as a starting place. No, I'm not joking.

[DemExpat]

3. I would like to temper this view by advice from my Astrologist.

She made a big point of this when she drew up my and my family's charts 20 years ago:
that no one, even though it might seem so, was born "under a bad sign" - that along with the conflicts, weaknesses, arrogance, huge ego, etc. :-) that some of us might have... there were always plenty of strong points and possibility for creating harmony or balance.
A matter of self-knowledge (which astrology can really help with imo) and intuition/choices/decisions.
(Something like this, I don't remember her exact words, but I DID appreciate them greatly at the time)


Just my 2 cents of personal experience so that Will doesn't feel he has no option but to drown out his sorrow in his beer. :D Or to join a Buddhist community....

Will, you might want to try this site that Dover suggested, if you don't want to go to an Astrologist. The relationship horoscope by Liz Greene could be helpful imo.
http://www.astronumerics.com/Shopping/Relationship/relationship.html


DemEx

[Eloriel]

4. We call them astrologers in this country

and have since about the 1960s.

Will chose this utterly dynamic chart himself, as we all choose our individual charts, the parents to whom we are born, the general and sometimes specific life circumstances we join, etc. Mine isn't easy either (and I have often wondered to myself: What WERE you thinking, girl?)

There are many talents and gifts in the chart, as well -- just as I once told him in private. Every single conflict, every single challenge IN that chart, and all the events and situations that flow from it, were all his choice, as were the talents and gifts. The challenges provide him the energy to propel him toward his Soul's Purpose for this Life -- something else I spoke about to him in private some time ago -- and the fodder for his life lessons.

And yes, all squares and oppositions and other challenging junk in your chart can, with time and considerable effort and a LOT of inner work, be turned into wonderful gifts themselves. That is precisely what we're here for -- our life's work. (Few ever fully achieve it, but the pursuit is what counts.)

I will also say that the focal point of his T-square, that Mars in Pisces, sits right close to my own Natal Sun and irks the hell outta me, plus *I* have 4 planets in Leo myself. So sometimes I go ahead and succumb to all those "stimuli" from Will -- esp. when it doesn't seem to me he's been listening or living up to his potential. :evilgrin: I think he's used to it by now.

Further, I haven't said anything that isn't readily apparent to anyone using the info he provided to cast a chart, I've just not been particularly subtle about it.

And no, there aren't any bad signs, nor did I say there were and in fact have often said precisely that -- that in fact EVERYTHING in astrology has as its purpose ONLY ultimately good in our lives, and every planet, sign, etc. has BOTH good and bad sides to it (or, more accurately, evolved and unevolved manifestations).

[Helga Scow Stern]

10. I've told my accountant that, but every year on my tax return,

it says, "astrologist". I almost was starting to believe it. Thanks for reminding me that I am an "astrologer."

[DemExpat]

11. I thought the terms were entirely interchangeable...

:D

living so long out of the US....

Does "astrologist" have any negative connotation on it?

DemEx

[Helga Scow Stern]

12. I just thought to my accountant it sounded more acceptable to the IRS.

Like "scientist," "biologist," "physicist," etc.

-er suffixes are more, "artistic"? -- dancer, photographer, oh--perhaps they involve doing, not the study of.

So an astrologer is "doing" the astro-logue, the astro-language and meaning, rather than expressing a knowledge of its principles.

Well, that doesn't make sense when you think of musical instruments-- cellist, pianist, saxaphonist, etc.

Astrologist always sounded kind of nerdy and stiff, which is why I thought an accountant would prefer it. (My accountant, anyway.)

[Ilsa]

5. Scorpio?

I'm getting all hot inside like asphalt on I-10 in San Antonio in August.

[Dover]

6. Transiting Neptune influence right now can be very confusing......

The transiting Neptune is currently triggering the natal square between your Ascendent/Sun/Moon. It's conjuncting your ascendent, opposing your Leo Moon and squaring your Sun. Very tough time for getting clarity about yourself and your relationships and it lasts for a year or more.

You may feel at some points that you're coming unglued and might feel all too ready to believe the worst about yourself, life, etc.
The boundaries between your own feelings and those of others may get blurred and you won't know where your issues end and another's begins, so be very selective of the company you keep. An increased sensitivity with lack of ability to filter can lead you to some remarkable insights, dreams, spiritual connections to life, but it's a mine field too because you become so uncertain of your own perceptions and feelings and vulnerable to other's moods, thoughts, etc.
Don't get caught up in negative thinking and stay away from ANY addictive behaviors as they will make matters much more difficult.
This includes addictive-type relationships where you put someone on a pedestal (or they you) which will eventually require a crash landing. Idealization is a way to avoid real connection.

The Book of Neptune, by Marilyn Waram might be particularly helpful now in guiding you through this time.

Here's an brief explanation of the Neptune square to your Sun (by Robert Hand):

Temporarily paralyzed ***
Valid during many months: This can be a period of confusion and uncertainty in which your life direction becomes unclear. Even if you have previously felt that you knew what you were doing and why, now you may encounter circumstances that force you to question your assumptions. Your will may seem to be temporarily paralyzed, and you won't have your usual energy. In fact this influence can coincide with times of low physical vitality and low psychological energy. For this reason you should avoid unnecessary physical stress and follow good health habits to maintain strong overall resistance to illness.
But it is much more likely that this influence will result in disorientation, as alluded to above. You may experience disappointments in your work, career or even in your home life that make you feel defeated and dispirited. But you must not sit back and allow this reaction. Certainly you may suffer defeats during this time, but these defeats occur only when you do something that is not a true reflection of yourself. Because your total energy as a human being is not behind your actions, you don't push through with the vigor that would guarantee success: hence your failure.

You should avoid several types of activity during this time, because your insecurity about yourself will make them turn out badly. First, this is not a particularly good time to become involved in spiritual or mystical sects. Your sense of self needs nourishment and growth, not denial. You are not yet ready for that, and the teachings of such groups are likely to confuse you and retard your development as a human being. Similar warnings apply to the study of the occult in general.

Second, avoid risky or speculative ventures, because your sense of reality is too weak to appraise the risks accurately. Besides, you are likely to be swindled. If you are having trouble in your work, avoid the temptation to change jobs now. Later, when you understand your needs better, you may be able to make the change. Any new job you start now would not be an improvement over the present one.


Neptune Square Sun
activity period from middle of February 2005 until middle of December 2006.

[stellanoir]

7. down here. . .?

'scuse me. LOL

Writhing in the bowels of the astrology forum. . .we rear our prognosticative astrolabes and most dutifully respond. . .

Well you know of course, compatability has very little to do with Sun signs. Compatibility more often has to do with Lunar, Mercurial , Venusian, Martian, Jupitarian, and Saturnine placements than Solar ones. The Sun represents pure spirit, on that level we all pretty much get along, believe it or not. Intimacy could just possibly hinge more upon emotion, communication, joyfulness, motivation, aspirations, and shared values. So go figure.

That you would have a significant and life altering relationship with a Leo truly makes sense since you have an angular Leo Moon on your Leo descendant . Don't sweat it, it's not terminal or anything. And besides a, Leo Moon is also the most humorous of placements.

Dover is entirely right about the Neptune transit to your ascendant and exponentially to your Moon throughout the year.

That can be profoundly inspiring or deeply dissolutioning. It depends entirely on one's spiritual orientation. The ascendant has everything to do with one's frame of reference. With a Neptune transit it either becomes magically charged or you enter the Twilight Zone, again depending on one's spiritual roots.

Music or meditation of any sort will help enormously under this influence.

The thing that strikes me about your chart is that your progressed moon is currently very near the most critical degree of Libra. Ironically enough, that is generally prone to seek absolutes regarding relationships. . .that, thusly explains your query. It's tough to prognosticate the timing of the pending progressed Moon's ingress into Scorpio due to your "on the hour" birth time which most astrologers might be hesitant to believe. Though one out of 60 people are likely to be born on the hour, it tends to make us wonder. If your birth time is any where near accurate, you'll feel far less stressed by mid to late May.

As Michael Lutin once said, "it's sort of akin to jumping from the frying pan into the swimming pool." He said it couldn't happen but I still firmly believe that it can and I've seen it happen. Hope springs eternal.

As for the analysis that speaks to your mutable T square, well it's generally in the charts of uber creative people and is hardly a irrevocable cross to bare. You do indeed have the chart of an idealist and it bodes well for your voice being heard ultimately in a more profound manner. Having your Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter so near your midheaven bodes incredibly well for your writing career.

As for your love life, just give it until May and the following 16 months and something wondrous is sure to happen.

Best to you,

the not so "little mermaid"

[Pallas180]

9. Yes, the idealism is the first thing you notice in his chart - the double

edged sword: Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, Neptune in Sagittarius, the natural ruler of the 9th of politics and philosophy and idealism - the very things that make him the idealistic political writer, also make him idealistic in his relationships - and they start out going gung-ho to the extreme with Jupiter conj Venus there...but then that picky Mercury starts to tear things apart...and finally Neptune comes in with "Wha? - who are you - I really didn't know you - you're not who I thought you were...." his Neptunian rose colored glasses got shattered. tsk. happens to the best of us Will.

Meanwhile, with a Neptune transit, I think it's interesting that you
came "down here" with the mystics. (most people would say UP THERE -
so it says something about what you think of the nebulous sciences :)

Nebulous or not, this just might be the time for you to start studying some religion whether it be Buddha, or Catholocism, or Sc ientology - (you could meet up with Richard Gere).

You've having a Neptune transit...if YOU don;t use the energy of that planet,(which is spiriutal, music, religion, or even writing fiction - YOU have to USE the Neptune energy yourself or it will USE you or bring someone into your life who is rather Neptunian...now that could be a highly spiritual person or a total scam con artist.

In any case, we're telling you to do, use, study Neptunian things to use that energy in a positive way.

ELORIEL, do you want to tell him about his way out of the squares is to look at the sextile to the planets involved in the square and do something of the sextile natures???

too long for me to write it.

[Cha]

13. LOL!

"Writhing in the bowels of the astrology forum. . .we rear our prognosticative astrolabes and most dutifully respond. . ."

Studying the very heights of the Universe! :D

[WilliamPitt]

8. Thanks, everyone

for taking the time and effort to respond. Fascinating stuff.

[ropi]

14. AW

darn william

if you played on the other side of the fence <wink> we'd be a good pair!

[radfringe]

15. a bit of a chuckle

my partner had a software program for doing astrological charts... it features a compatibility rating option

compatibility rating points range from 0 (not compatible) to 700 ( perfect match)

last September my parents celebrated their 50th anniversary -- for some giggles we put in their info to see just how compatible they were

my mom: 1/15/1932 (Capricorn) my dad: 12/10/28 (Sagittarius)
their compatibility rating was 70...

other factors that say this marriage wouldn't work include:

both my parents are first borns
my mom is a first generation Italian-American (matriarch ruled family)
my dad is a first generation German-American (patriarch ruled family)

any one of these factors should have blown this marriage up years ago -- although the home is tempestuous at times they have been together for 50 years

[garybeck]

16. Will we have the same birthday

11/9/66

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