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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 10:51 AM
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Question about religious influence - Happiness immoral?
I'm not sure where to ask this question - so I'll ask it here. I'm back in my home state (Indiana) and I've noticed that there is an attitude here that - I can't explain too well and it is somewhat subtle - but it's like it's immoral to be too happy. You should work hard and not laugh at work because that is "goofing off." I wasn't fully aware of this until a guy at work who grew up in Maryland complained that no one smiled or laughed at work and everyone seemed so unhappy. Another co-worker from Texas agreed that they hate to see people too happy at work and management thinks we are all overpaid (I'm in IT). In fact the wages are terribly low here!! In my hometown you would be ridiculed if you had too nice of a house or too expensive of a car or clothes. People who have nice clothes are quick to explain that they got them on sale. I'm not sure if I'm explaining this well, like I said it is subtle. I thought this was a Calvinist influence - but I'm not sure. What's funny is in the small town where I grew up drugs were very prevalent and most of my classmates have now been divorced several times. So - these aren't pious people - but as the guy from Maryland said - unhappy people. Any thoughts on this?
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:22 AM
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1. it must be difficult to go to a place every week that tells you what a
horrible sinner and bad person you are, then have a light heart and a smile the other 6 days

:shrug:

just saying......
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:29 PM
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3. Good point! n/t
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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 01:05 PM
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9. AMEN!!!
:rofl:
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:51 AM
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2. It is Calvanism, conservative Christianity..... IMO.
What's funny is in the small town where I grew up drugs were very prevalent and most of my classmates have now been divorced several times. So - these aren't pious people - but as the guy from Maryland said - unhappy people. Any thoughts on this?

These people might not be pious, but, if they go to Church, might feel they have to be really serious about life now after their years of "sinning".....their way of atonement somehow?
Also possibly the attitude of "If I can't be happy, nobody will be!"....

:shrug:

DemEx

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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:30 PM
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4. "If I can't be happy, nobody will be!"....
Oh there's a lot of that!! Good point!
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 02:49 PM
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5. Several generations of my family were born and raised there
It's a puritanical thought process. Puritans were not very happy and I think there is still a great influence on fundamentalist Christians today. I've added a link and a few paragraphs. http://www.nd.edu/~rbarger/www7/puritans.html

Each church congregation was to be individually responsible to God, as was each person. The New Testament was their model and their devotion so great that it permeated their entire society. People of opposing theological views were asked to leave the community or to be converted.

Their interpretation of scriptures was a harsh one. They emphasized a redemptive piety. In principle, they emphasized conversion and not repression. Conversion was a rejection of the "worldliness" of society and a strict adherence to Biblical principles. While repression was not encouraged in principle, it was evident in their actions. God could forgive anything, but man could forgive only by seeing a change in behavior. Actions spoke louder than words, so actions had to be constantly controlled.

The doctrine of predestination kept all Puritans constantly working to do good in this life to be chosen for the next eternal one. God had already chosen who would be in heaven or hell, and each believer had no way of knowing which group they were in. Those who were wealthy were obviously blessed by God and were in good standing with Him. The Protestant work ethic was the belief that hard work was an honor to God which would lead to a prosperous reward. Any deviations from the normal way of Puritan life met with strict disapproval and discipline. Since the church elders were also political leaders, any church infraction was also a social one. There was no margin for error.

The devil was behind every evil deed. Constant watch needed to be kept in order to stay away from his clutches. Words of hell fire and brimstone flowed from the mouths of eloquent ministers as they warned of the persuasiveness of the devil's power. The sermons of Jonathan Edwards, a Puritan minister, show that delivery of these sermons became an art form. They were elegant, well formed, exegetical renditions of scriptures... with a healthy dose of fear woven throughout the fabric of the literary construction. Grammar children were quizzed on the material at school and at home. This constant subjection of the probability of an unseen danger led to a scandal of epidemic proportions.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 05:26 PM
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6. Thanks for that link !! Fear also seems very prevalent here! n/t
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 08:49 PM
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7. I can identify with everything you are saying....
I recently moved back to Tennessee after being away 19 years, and I notice the same things. I don't work, but just in general, people aren't happy. And they seem to think that is how it should be, and I remember from church as a kid, being taught happiness was for when you went to "The Kingdom of Heaven" and the more trials and tribulations you have here, the more chance you have of getting there.
And drugs!!!! This has to be the Meth capital of the world. I was so shocked by that. And it is interesting how people are supposedly so Christian around here, yet at the high school last year, the Homecoming Queen and all her court was PREGNANT! I am still amazed at that. I just break up into giggles everytime I think about all these pregnant beauty queens, being an awful sinner myself.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:04 AM
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8. LOL - Sounds just like my hometown!!!! Thanks!
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 04:36 PM
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10. I believe God wants us to be happy. nt
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