Abramoff's Data?

[Helga Scow Stern]

Do we have Jack Abramoff's birth data? I have done a quick search and didn't find it.

Does anyone know it?

[Mabus]

1. February 28, 1958

Atlantic City, New Jersey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff

I'll try to find a birth time.

[Mabus]

2. Generic (12 p.m.) chart for Jack and its analysis (not mine)

Name: jack
February 28 1958
12:00 PM Time Zone is EST
atlantic City, NJ

Rising Sign is in 29 Degrees Gemini
Extremely active by nature, you like to get around, meet people and do different things. Very restless, you just can't seem to stay put. You need to be involved in several projects at once in order to keep your mind stimulated. You like to read books and to write letters and to talk -- constantly. Seemingly ageless, you will always appear to be much younger than you really are. Very adaptable and inquisitive, you are always open to new ideas and experiences. A "jack-of-all-trades", you are lively and versatile. Because of the high nervous tension that you always seem to have, athletic activity would be a good way for you to burn off energy. But be careful of a tendency to experience things only superficially -- try to dig in and absorb things at a deeper level.

Sun is in 09 Degrees Pisces.
Extremely sensitive and emotional, you absorb the emotions of others (whether positive or negative) like a sponge. Emotionally vulnerable, you are easily upset and tend to cry readily. You are at your best when you can structure your environment in such a way that you are surrounded by positive, upbeat people. You are very helpful and understanding of the needs of others. Indeed, at times this can be a disadvantage, because you can be a sucker for anyone who needs help. Shy, dreamy, romantic in nature, you delight in retreating into your private fantasy world. Just be careful that you do not get lost in it! Trust your intuitions -- you may be quite psychic.

Moon is in 01 Degrees Cancer.
For the most part, you are very strong and secure emotionally. You intuitively know what to do to make others feel comfortable, loved, accepted and needed. You naturally enjoy feeding and taking care of others. Be careful that your mothering does not turn into smothering. At times, you tend to feel that those to whom you are attached can never do anything without your assistance and support. Extremely sensitive by nature, it hurts you deeply whenever anyone criticizes you. You have an almost desperate need to be loved and wanted and needed by everyone with whom you come into contact, and you go out of your way to be accommodating to them.

Mercury is in 06 Degrees Pisces.
Your ideas and thought processes do not come to you in an orderly, logical fashion. Instead, you think with your feelings or with images produced by your rich and fertile imagination. A very subjective person, your dreams and fantasies are very important to you. You trust your intuitions and tend to reject ideas that are based solely on logic. Very impressionable, you are sensitive to the moods and emotional states of those with whom you come into contact.

Venus is in 02 Degrees Aquarius.
You are a friendly and outgoing individual, but close relationships are difficult for you to maintain due to your fear that they will cause you to lose your freedom. You attract friends and associates who are exciting, different and sometimes a bit odd. You are popular with others and enjoy working within a group toward group goals.

Mars is in 17 Degrees Capricorn.
Extremely ambitious, you are willing to work very hard to reach the goals you have set for yourself. Very practical, cautious and conservative, you demand tangible results for your efforts. You need to excel in whatever you do, and you have the required sense of responsibility, dedication and self-discipline to bring it about. Beware of your tendency to judge others only by their degree of status and prestige, or by how well they will be able to advance you in your climb to the top.

Jupiter is in 01 Degrees Scorpio.
You love to dig deep beneath surface appearances in order to find out what is really happening. A persistent researcher, you are very interested in the psychology of any situation. You tend to become overwhelmed by the complexity of what you uncover, however, and that makes you a bit gun-shy about explaining things to others. But you must learn to try to communicate as best you can because what you know is really very valuable to others.

Saturn is in 24 Degrees Sagittarius.
Basically quite conservative, you respect traditional authority figures and are very thankful and supportive of the laws and institutions which govern your life. You learn and accept new ideas only after having very thoroughly examined them. Ideals and abstract concepts are important to you only if they can be used in some practical fashion. You are so practical and so orderly that you have natural skills in planning, administrating and organizing.

Uranus is in 08 Degrees Leo.
You, and your peers as well, demand complete and total freedom of self- expression. You want to make your mark in the world according to your own lights and will brook no interference from traditional authority figures, especially if they attempt to mold or shape you in any way. You are honest and forthright, but a bit offbeat and eccentric. The lack of self-discipline may hinder you from reaching your goals as quickly as you would like.

Neptune is in 04 Degrees Scorpio.
You, and your entire generation, are extremely interested in anything deep and mysterious. You will explore and idealize the benefits that can accrue from the study of the occult, healing and psychology. You are willing to experiment with substances like drugs in order to push your understanding of your inner being to the extreme.

Pluto is in 00 Degrees Virgo.
For your entire generation, this will be a time when profound changes in society's attitude toward work, duty and responsibility will be initiated. Radical changes in attitudes toward personal health and general nutrition will be promulgated and gain wide acceptance and practice.

N. Node is in 02 Degrees Scorpio.
You have a special aptitude for working by yourself, or with a like-minded group of dedicated individuals. Once you've committed yourself to a person or group or project, your loyalty and devotion are total until the group's goals have been realized. Not at all gregarious by nature, you're uncomfortable around strangers, greatly preferring to be in known and familiar situations. Others may regard you as shy or eccentric, but those who know you well are aware of the intense loyalty that you have to your friends.


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And another view of the same information (using 12 p.m.)
for Jack (male)
born on 28 Feb 1958 local time 12:00 noon
in Atlantic City, NJ (US) U.T. 17:00
74w25, 39n22 sid. time 22:34:21

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Pisces 09°36'35 10 direct
Moon Cancer 01°30'25 01 direct
Mercury Pisces 06°53'42 10 direct
Venus Aquarius 02°42'58 08 direct
Mars Capricorn 17°55'19 07/8 direct
Jupiter Scorpio 01°23'40 05 retrograde
Saturn Sagittarius 24°42'11 06 direct
Uranus Leo 08°24'14 02 retrograde
Neptune Scorpio 04°37'35 05 retrograde
Pluto Virgo 00°51'52 03 retrograde
True Node Scorpio 02°46'50 05 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Gemini 29°28'31
2nd House Cancer 19°50'56
3rd House Leo 11°06'42
Imum Coeli Virgo 06°51'30
5th House Libra 10°35'47
6th House Scorpio 21°23'38
Descendant Sagittarius 29°28'31
8th House Capricorn 19°50'56
9th House Aquarius 11°06'42
Medium Coeli Pisces 06°51'30
11th House Aries 10°35'47
12th House Taurus 21°23'38


Transits
Pluto conjunction Saturn, 31 Jan 2005 - 26 Nov 2006
Uranus conjunction Sun, 31 March 2005 - 28 Feb 2006
Saturn square Neptune, 14 Aug 2005 - 13 May 2006
Saturn conjunction Uranus, 15 Sep 2005 - 24 June 2006
Jupiter square Uranus, 30 Nov 2005 - 23 July 2006
Jupiter trine Sun, 6 Dec 2005 - 9 Aug 2006

[Helga Scow Stern]

3. Grand trine in water:

Schmooza-riffic, plus makes it okay to cheat others for the sake of one's "kin".

Venus square Jupiter, sense of entitlement.

Pluto opposite Sun-Mercury gives him the compulsion to power, aided by Scorpio conjunction of Neptune, Jupiter, and North Node.

The Mercury ruled ascendant could make sense, for all the wheeling and dealing he does, but he has been described as "portly," making me think he might have Libra rising (ruler squared by fattening Jupiter), with that Scorpio stellium in the first. This also gels with descriptions of him as full of bluster, illusion, shady, etc.





And that face could be Scorpionic... I am attempting to rectify the chart now.

[BlueIris]

9. Heh. "Scorpionic" face. He definitely has Scorpio eyebrows.

Very pointy.

[Helga Scow Stern]

4. Thanks by the way.

I have printed out the Wikipedia article plus a timeline from the WP to try to fit the events to possible birth times.

Did you see had a religious conversion at age 12, became an orthodox Jew and bought religious books with his own money?

[Matariki]

5. 1958 - a good year for kooks

Madonna, Micheal Jackson.

i was born that year too. oy.

[rumpel]

6. my ex is a crook also born 1958...but I see not everyone is

:)

[rumpel]

7. He should have chosen the road to become a Rabbi

Hi Ojai Person

:hi:

[Mabus]

8. You're welcome

I'm interested in seeing your take on his chart.

A religious conversion, according to him "in order to preserve the faith in our family". I take it things weren't happy enough at Abramoff home for Jack. I wonder what he was trying to prove and to whom expecially at such a young age?

[rumpel]

10. Today I found stariq posts this reading on Abramoff

Jack Abramoff was born with his Sun in Neptune's sign, Pisces (February 28, 1958; Atlantic City, NJ; time unknown). His Sun forms a favorable trine to a Jupiter-Neptune conjunction in Scorpio, a combination that tends to attract great wealth, and knows the immeasurable influence Big Money can generate. This Jupiter-Neptune happens to be conjunct the U.S. Scorpio Ascendant, giving him a personal fate strongly tied to national politics.

The Teapot Dome scandal began unraveling in 1923 when Jupiter was transiting through Scorpio and squaring Neptune. Now, once again, Jupiter is transiting through Scorpio, and over the next six months will be squaring Neptune. History repeats itself in predictable cycles. Abramoff, with his natal Jupiter-Neptune resonating with the national horoscope and the current transits, is at the center of the corruption tempest. (Editor's note: Transiting Uranus is conjunct Abramoff's Sun and transiting Pluto is conjunct his Saturn at this time.)

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0006827.HTM

[Helga Scow Stern]

11. Thanks, rumpel!

I wish I had more exact dates for his life events. I have only been able to find years so far.

[Mabus]

12. I think the problem is the time of his birth

Is the time when started to crawl out from under his rock or when he finally emerged? :sarcasm:

[Helga Scow Stern]

13. Good one. He's quite an enigma.....

It's okay to lie, steal and cheat, but yet he's a religious zealot.

Anyone got an insight into this one?