BAD KARMA (BK) POLL

[Ricochet21]

Let's see what everybody thinks. A very intriguing, mystifying concept: Bad Karma

Please, choose which response most closely aligns with your belief. And, let's hope you all have good karma in so doing!

[Howler]

1. Karma

http://tarot.com/articles/karma/what-is-karma.php

Btw
This site sells some killer past life reports by Edgar Casey no less.

[OneGrassRoot]

2. I chose "other"

The option of living out of touch with God's/The Universe's will came closest, but that's still not really how I perceive it.

I royally suck at explaining any of my spiritual beliefs...lol...but, to me, karma comes down to energy.

Whatever type of energy you put "out there" -- loving thoughts/actions versus harmful/negative thoughts/actions -- has an energetic influence on what you experience.

I, personally, feel it's more of a preponderance of one's actions/thoughts, rather than every little thought or action causing a karmic reaction. That may be something that is also very individual, and perhaps changes as we go along. Sometimes I think I did some really, REALLY shitty things in a previous life and now I'm having to "balance the energy out" in this life.

I see energy as neutral...what I refer to as Spirit or The Universe. Not good or bad, certainly not bestowing "punishment."

We experience the energy we create, though certainly others' energetic creations impact us, too (that's where my brain gets overloaded and I try not to think about it any more...:rofl:).

;)

:shrug:

[OneGrassRoot]

3. And, to play Devil's Advocate...

with regard to what I wrote in my "heretical" post, and what I just read that you wrote in Howler's thread about karma

...since Quantum Physics proves that there is not time, it's all an illusion, one cannot "cause" the other.

They both "exist" simultaneously. They both just "are".

That's the point I was trying to make about the "box." Quantum Physics and all other disciplines....as we currently know them...have certain rules and constants.

But what I'm suggesting is that perhaps there are things that are beyond our current human comprehension, so what we feel we "know," beyond any shadow of a doubt now, will be blown to smithereens in 20 years, a hundred years, whatever.

:hi:

[Kind of Blue]

4. Other for me, Rick.

I think my understanding of karma in general may be off :O I understood it simply as cause and effect but somehow along the way, I've included other meaning into it. Got to get back to basics.

[kimmerspixelated]

5. Okay I'll be the first odd one here.

It's what I do best! HAHA!

However it really is hard not to choose "other" altogether. I agree with most of what OGR said.However,
I chose "resistance to life"

I wouldn't really say "Bad Karma" should be labeled as bad. I think it is what it is. If something shitty happens to you, there was some energy surrounding a situation at one time that led to the present effect. And that energy was perhaps shat upon. If that energy was not allowed/utilized to be its best or the most positive outcome didn't occur because of said non-allowing then the energy was altered...maybe...??

Well, I really think this is a very interesting poll, Rick!

[Celebration]

6. I voted for #2

Just to be a bit of a mischievous Scorpio. :silly:

[Lucinda]

7. Cause and effect via energy

"Bad" is just a judgement or a label IMO.

[Ricochet21]

8. sorry to all

something happened to my cuts and pastes
I don't know what it was, that's why its partial statements

[SheilaT]

9. Other. Karma is karma, it's what happens.

[FirstLight]

10. believing we are spearate from source/creator

our own addiction or immersion or whatever in the illusion...even when we feel it or see it, we deny it on so many levels///it creates a negative wave because we go against the groin of the Universe..."Believe it and You will see it"

instead we say, "I'll believe it when I see it"


damn western-thinking ;)

[I Have A Dream]

12. "...because we go against the groin of the Universe."

I'd think that would get us "good" karma! ;)

:rofl:

[OneGrassRoot]

14. LOL!

OMG, I needed that this morning.

:rofl:

In Rick's post here, apologizing for the copy and paste function, I swear I kept seeing "pasties." When I first read it, I'm thinking, "Why is Rick talking about his pasties?"

:rofl:

[I Have A Dream]

16. OGR, I *swear* to you that I saw "pasties" too!

I had to look at it several times to see what he really said. I've got to say that I had an interesting picture in my head, and it was not pretty! (Sorry, Rick, but an image of you with pasties is something that I'd rather not have ever had in my head! ;) )

:rofl:

[OneGrassRoot]

17. What a hoot!!!!

I'm not sure what it says about us, but I'm glad to know I'm in good company. ;)

:loveya:

(I TOTALLY saw him in his cheerleader skirt, with pasties. Actually, he was kinda cute!)

:rofl:

[I Have A Dream]

19. Oh, OGR... did you *have* to add the cheerleader skirt?!!!

Seriously... did you have to???    :o   

:rofl:

[OneGrassRoot]

20. Yes. I absolutely did.

:rofl:

[OneGrassRoot]

21. And to share the joy....

:evilgrin:

[Kind of Blue]

24. Love a man who appreciates

his feminine side :thumbsup:

[I Have A Dream]

26. Oh. my. god(dess)!

I had forgotten about that! Did you do that, or was it OGR? I can't remember...

How can we get the pasties in there? :bounce:

[OneGrassRoot]

28. KoB needs to take over...

I don't have Photoshop skills (I did the initial photo); KoB can REALLY kick it up a few notches!!!

:)

[Kind of Blue]

32. Holy Smokes!

:rofl: I wouldn't dare put pasties on Ric, if I'm interpreting this right. All I can remember is Jim Carrey in them and - well, you be the judge :wow:

[I Have A Dream]

34. Well...

You could put Rick's head on that image along with his little cheerleader skirt. Come on, Blue...  }(   you're a brave woman!

:bounce:

[Kind of Blue]

36. ...

:rofl: Oh, Noooooooo. I'm scared to death of bad karma :rofl:

[rucognizant]

68. Orrrrrr........

He could be at a Scotish Games EATING a pastie, ( meat pie) in his kilt!

[I Have A Dream]

70. True!

:)

That's weird, rucognizant; I was thinking about kilts yesterday. I can't remember if it was connected with Rick and this thread, but I was thinking about the "true Scotsman" way of wearing them. Being highly allergic to wool, I was thinking that I couldn't even imagine wearing a kilt let alone in the "True Scotsman" way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Scotsman


(How does one end up being allergic to wool when they have a lot of Celtic blood? :shrug:)

[Ricochet21]

35. OMG My pasties are showing!

damn :rofl:

[I Have A Dream]

39. OGR and Blue are incorrigible!

:eyes:



:bounce:

[OneGrassRoot]

40. ...

:spank:

(Poor KoB, she's trying her best to stay out of it...:rofl:)

[Kind of Blue]

48. I wish I could enjoy you guys some more!

Relatives from out of town are arriving today. Lots of preparations and work in a few minutes.

[Kind of Blue]

45. Oooh, IHAD! You!

I think that's a good thing :bounce: though I have to look up that word :eyes:
But you know good and well it takes one to know one :rofl:

[Kind of Blue]

15. LOLOL...!!!

bad girl,thank you! :rofl: Wow, that brings up all kinds of nice imagery.

[I Have A Dream]

18. Yes!

One of my friends likes to say that the Universe loves him best. This would certainly make that true... brownie points for sure!

:rofl:

[FirstLight]

29. oh geez!

I was posting right before bed... how freaking hilarious... glad i gave you guys a hoot for the morning :blush: :rofl:

[Kind of Blue]

33. Yes, FL! Thanks for a great way to start the day!

I like the word now like never before :D

[I Have A Dream]

11. Other.

To me, most karma is generated when we interact with someone or something else. If we deliberately hurt someone or something, our energetic vibratory "bank account" is lowered. When we deliberately help someone or something (especially just because we want to help them rather than get karmic brownie points), our energetic vibratory "bank account" is raised/increased.

In some ways, it is similar to the concept of sin, except it's mostly caused by our interactions with other sentient beings that we either help or hurt rather than other types of "morality", which I feel quite confident that the Universe doesn't care about in the least.

I also feel that there is karma associated with bad decisions that hurt other people. It's sort of like a manslaughter conviction vs. a murder conviction. In my opinion, if we have the spiritual maturity to make the wise decision in a situation, we are expected to do so (or at least do our best to do so). Being spiritually lazy or careless isn't an excuse. However, if we've done the best that we could do in a situation or made the best decision we could in a situation, if someone is hurt, negative karma isn't generated for us. The Universe expects nothing more than our best.

I feel that most of our negative karma is created when we allow our egos (rather than our higher selves) to be in the driver's seat of our lives, and I feel that the Universe definitely takes into account when we're really trying, even if we aren't perfect. (There are very few humans who have their higher selves driving all the time.) The Universe does expect us to be brave when called upon to be brave, to hold back from reacting when it seems the best thing to do (considering everything involved), to not give to/do something for someone when it just enables that person to continue a destructive behavior, etc.

Additionally, I feel that once we have truly learned a lesson, most of the negative karma that has been generated around that lesson is removed from our karmic bank account. To me, life really is all about learning our lessons. That's why I don't see karma as a punishment. Karma's there to help us to learn our lessons. If we've learned them, we don't need the karma associated with that lesson any longer.

In one of the other threads that discussed karma, I said that I didn't feel that karma is about a white bearded man (whether God or Santa Claus ;) ) keeping track of things on a scorecard. However, I guess that I do consider it to be a scorecard of sorts. To me, it's not about punishment; instead it's really more like a report card, and we'er keeping track of it ourselves.

When I attempt to explain my beliefs in reference to karma to others the way I am here, it seems as though the things I'm saying are conflicting; however,it all makes sense in my head. :shrug:


One final thing that I want to say is that I don't feel that every "bad" thing that happens to us is because of our own negative karma being inflicted upon us by some outside force. That's another subject though, so I won't get into it here.

On edit: Immediately after leaving this thread, I went to my E-mail in-box and found this: http://www.dailyom.com/articles/2011/30133.html

[Lucinda]

13. I've always thought of life on earth as a "spiritual boot camp" of sorts

Earth School seems like a very similar mind-set. :)

[MorningGlow]

22. What Lucinda said

It's just energy; how we perceive it is how we ascribe "good" or "bad" to it. After all, how many times have we thought that we had some sort of "punishment", "bad karma", or "bad luck" that was actually a necessary step toward good stuff?

It's all a balance, I'd say. Back and forth, back and forth. But if we expect stuff to come back on us ("Whatsoever ye do (or think or say) comes back upon you three times three times three"), then it will. We manifest that.

And Dream, OGR, and KoB? :spank: :rofl: :spank: :rofl:

[I Have A Dream]

25. MG, did you ever notice that the smiley that is getting the paddling...

seems to be enjoying it?

:rofl:

Oh, and by the way, I held back in reference to what I really wanted to say about that "groin of the Universe" thing.

:evilgrin:

[MorningGlow]

27. Why, yes. Yes I did, in fact.

:rofl:

Groin of the universe...snicker...

[get the red out]

23. I chose "other" and it depends on when the BK happens

When something goes bad for someone who has done bad during this life I believe that it is most likely that person's own inner self causing it from guilt or a need for justice that consciously, the person might not even recognize. That is often called "bad Karma".

I think "Karma" over-all is simply lessons in balance. To see it as punishment takes me way close to the "heaven vs hell" paradigm that just doesn't work in my mind. I think souls seek balance through experiencing various "sides" of existence.

I also have to think that there are souls that try to avoid lessons, they try to make their own purpose outside the balance. I believe we perceive these souls as "bad" because that's how they are expressed during physical life as they try to avoid Karma/lessons/balance and go their own way, Universe be damned.

Those are just theories I have now, they could change with more information, always do.

[GliderGuider]

30. Other, with a mumble

I find that the most useful way to look at the reality we are experiencing is that it's an Earth School that is being continuously co-created by all of the consciousness that is participating in it. This puts things like bad karma in a different perspective. In a sense bad karma is an illusion, an inevitable misinterpretation of events or our perceptions of them.

I think we misinterpret in this way because we are both embedded in physical reality (according to our physical senses) and aware at some level of being a part of subtle dimensions. It's hard to mesh those two perceptions while we are still dealing with our crap on the physical plane, so we develop various mechanisms to try and illuminate the connection between them. I think the concept of karma is one such mechanism.

"Karma" without any qualifier seems to be another way of saying "it's all connected." Everything that happens influences everything else, and if I am mindful I can see the effects of my own actions mirrored back to me through the actions of others or the behaviour of the universe.

From this viewpoint, "bad karma" is only a judgement our egos put on the personal significance of the co-creative events we are involved in. Some outcomes are not those we would prefer, or are unpleasant in some way. Rather than just sit with what is and learn its lessons, we are tempted into the old egoic games of blame and projection.

I tend to use the concepts of "good karma" and "bad karma" as shorthand for whether I acted authentically or in alignment with the flow of the universe in any particular situation.

As far as inheriting karma from previous lives, I don't think that happens the way it's normally thought of either, because I don't think there are "previous" lives. "We" live other lives in other times, but none of those other times are "previous" to this one. Linear time is just one of the stage props we have all agreed on for this reality.

I think of past or future lives as being other fragments of our oversoul focusing in physical reality simultaneously at different times. Or something. As a result, there is no "cause and effect" at work, because there is no "before" or "after". The most I will say is that it may be possible for there to be interactions between acts in different timelines in the same way as there are interactions within a single timeline.

[Howler]

31. Wow GliderGuider.

Now here you are hitting on some very interesting points. Past,present and future lives going on at the same time. I find that very intriguing.Also the concept of interactions between acts in different time lines is very fascinating.:bounce:

[Ricochet21]

37. Does that give you

a past, present and future groin all rubbing together at the same "time"? :rofl: Sounds like a TV movie.

I'm sorry I asked the question! :rofl:

[I Have A Dream]

41. I do believe that you just figured out the mystery of the Universe...

:hippie:  :smoke:

I never did think that the creation of the Universe was the result of an out-breath...

[Howler]

42. HAHAHA!!!!

Sounds like an orgy and masterbation all in one action. :wow:

Hey big guy I just Love your Skort.:P

[Howler]

49. Hey!

Now we know why they call it the big BANG.

I know I know....just couldnt resist.:silly:

[kimmerspixelated]

51. The Truth is...The Universe is very SEXY!

You know this...you can feel it...

Get this, I once had one of my voila visions! ...that the stars and such were all really hard spermatoza and ovums frozen in time, a grand snapshot of some kind of major giant ejaculation...!!!

I know...I enjoy myself sometimes!:evilgrin: :silly:

[I Have A Dream]

52. Yep. I think that we're all saying the same thing...

I just didn't want to be the one who came out and actually said it! I've been trying to think of a way to make it not be specifically male though... I don't like to think of the Universe being a creation of only masculine energy. That's the one thing that I need to figure out still.

Seems that we're all having these voila visions! Who knew?   :rofl:

[GliderGuider]

53. Not specifically male? That's easy. After all, the universe is liberally sprinkled with

Black Holes.

[I Have A Dream]

54. You know...

I was driving home, and "I wonder how black holes would fit into this thinking..." popped into my head. I'm sorry to say that I didn't actually put them in this context, even though it does seem to be rather obvious! ;)

:rofl:

:thumbsup:, GliderGuider.

[kimmerspixelated]

60. Well, I for one needed the comic relief today!

Sperm spray frozen in time, black holes, I'm sure there's even more cosmic procreation going on if we just put a big eyeball on it!

Major guffaws!

[I Have A Dream]

64. Seriously!

Thinking of the Universe like this makes things much more interesting; doesn't it?

I've been reading up on this, and have found that Hindus believe that the Universe was created from the sexual union of Shiva and Shakti. That is as likely an explanation as any other. :)

[Howler]

58. Oh My! LOL! n/t

n/t

[Ricochet21]

55. We're gonna have to have a sit down.

[kimmerspixelated]

59. If I was a guy, I'd probably have trouble sitting down!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Howler]

57. Yeah it is. LOL!

Some days sexier then others.

[I Have A Dream]

38. I also believe that all of our "lives" are happening simultaneously.

I believe that we are able to influence our other lives and that the work that we do in this current incarnation helps our other lives. We can positively affect "history" and the "future" this way. (Change history and the future.)

One analogy that I've heard for "all of the lives happening at once is to envision standing at the top of a fish tank and dropping fish food in. Each of those pieces of food is comparable to one of our incarnations. They're all falling to the bottom at the same time.

Additionally, I've heard that we have a higher level entity that is made up of our soul as well as other souls. It's supposed to be possible to access those other souls' skills, knowledge, etc., and this is what we are supposed to be able to do. I'm not sure how this is done, but I do believe that this is how things work.

GliderGuider, I think that you and I have quite a few similar beliefs on this subject.

[Howler]

43. This is also what I've come to understand IHAD,GG

"I believe that we are able to influence our other lives and that the work that we do in this current incarnation helps our other lives. We can positively affect "history" and the "future" this way. (Change history and the future.)

One analogy that I've heard for "all of the lives happening at once is to envision standing at the top of a fish tank and dropping fish food in. Each of those pieces of food is comparable to one of our incarnations. They're all falling to the bottom at the same time.'


This is something I have recently stsrted to contemplate and play with IHAD.

" Additionally, I've heard that we have a higher level entity that is made up of our soul as well as other souls. It's supposed to be possible to access those other souls' skills, knowledge, etc., and this is what we are supposed to be able to do. I'm not sure how this is done, but I do believe that this is how things work."

Kinda like an avatar of the soul or the collected conscienceness's of the parts of one soul.....at least that as far as I've gotten.
Its some wonderful and much welcome kismet that you and GG brought it up.
:toast: :loveya: :hug:

[I Have A Dream]

62. It's all wonderfully thrilling to think about; isn't it, Howler?

:hug:

[Howler]

65. Yes! Yes! Yes!

:toast:

[get the red out]

44. Perhaps along with other dimensions

I agree, I think everything would have to happen at once since linear "time" is really only a dimension of the physical universes.

I also think there are multiple dimensions going on. I've had dreams that have taken place along points in a life that seems to have diverged from the one I am conscious of living right now. Those were very interesting.

[I Have A Dream]

66. Lucky you, gtro.

What a gift it would be to have one of those dreams.

:)

[get the red out]

67. They were strange

My life had made a negative turn. They went on pretty regularly for a while then just stopped. I wonder if my time ended there? Or if something I was supposed to gain from the dreams was processed?

Something that was said about changing the past makes me think of a memory I have that is simple but seemingly impossible. It is of my Grandmother taking me to a cafeteria style restaurant near her home when I was a girl. The building where this "restaurant" was is still there but I have asked other family members before and they don't recall a restaurant being there (in fact, it's an office building that doesn't even seem to be conducive to a restaurant). My Grandmother didn't drive either. Very weird. It is a nice memory though.

[GliderGuider]

46. Yes, it looks like we share quite a few views all right!

My cosmology is cribbed straight out of "Seth Speaks". It has worked for me over the last 40 years or so, so I keep it around as my basic organizing principle for How Reality Works.

The next bit is a stream-of-consciousness scribble that was just prompted by your use of the word "believe". It's a bit of self-inquiry into where I am on this journey, put out here because I'm not alone on this path, and we all need to contribute what we can.

I have a problem with the word "believe". I just got out of almost 6 decades of entrenched belief and disbelief - belief in the material world, disbelief in the subtle world, and belief in empirical science as the only valid organizing principle for seeking Truth. I've had it with that belief system, but more than that I've had it with belief in general. For me it becomes a trap of clinging to the things one believes and disowning the things one disbelieves. That attachment kept me pinned in my ego far too long, and I am much better off without it.

Now I'm faced with an interesting conundrum. I look out at the world and find all sorts of things that people believe in, some of which are diametrically opposed:

Science and spirituality; an insensate universe and a conscious universe; the existence and nonexistence of the soul; the existence and non-existence of the self; cause and effect versus co-dependent arising; one personal life or reincarnation of a hundred sorts; utilitarian ethics and karma. Not to mention quantum mechanics, ancient aliens, channeled beings, ascended masters, astral travel, Akashic records, UFO abductions, chemtrails, the power of intention, astrology, energy healing, devas and fairies, angels and demons, the multiverse and the idea that the "me" I think I am is just a fragment of a much larger, higher soul (and that even this fragmentary "me" might not exist at all).

How do I objectively or even sensibly choose what to believe from such rich smorgasbord? Especially when I'm pretty sure that tying oneself to any belief is tying oneself to a rather tiresome egoic monkey-mind.

Well, I've decided I don't actually need to make such choices. My decision is very simple: to stay open, and let it all in without collapsing into belief. I'm trying to learn how to separate the idea of Value from the arbitrary box called Truth. To simply open up, let it all in and see what resonates. All the stuff that was tossed straight into the hokum hamper in my old life now lands in a big heap on my living room floor. I sit before each new item asking myself not "Is this True?" but "What is its value to me?"

I have less fear these days about being "manipulated into a shameful belief," (which is a leftover script from my previous state), so even though my monkey-mind still sometimes shrieks and flings poop from the top of his ego-cage, I do my best to just let it in.

Therse days I'm much more interested in analogy than analysis. I find more meaning in correlation than causation, and the more stuff there is to correlate with, the more correlations will appear. So I let everything sit there, attach to none of it, and see what synchronistic bells get rung.

So Seth's cosmology has tremendous value to me, as has the notion of a conscious universe. Even science has value, as long as we don't get caught up in believing its PR. The idea that I am eternal is valuable, as is the idea that I am a material, time-bound mortal, and the idea that I don't exist at all.

The values of some concepts have not revealed themselves to me yet - the idea of lizard alien overlords from Lyra Draconis, for example, or chemtrails. That doesn't mean I reject them, simply that I let them in and see what interesting correlations develop. Have you noticed how much Dick Cheney looks like he came from Lyra Draconis?

I will say this - adopting this perspective has been a huge relief. Compared to my old way of viewing reality it's less stressful, less angry, less resistant, more tolerant, more insightful and loving. It makes more room for more intuition and wisdom, less room for denial and rejection, and is vastly more entertaining. I think I'll follow this path for a while longer.

"That's not news, but that too is reality." :grouphug:

[Howler]

47. PADemD turned me onto Seth.

Have you noticed how much Dick Cheney looks like he came from Lyra Draconis? Oh yeah!!!!!

:rofl:

[Ricochet21]

50. You mean Lon Cheney, doncha?

Joseph Campbell said he had no use for "belief", he had no "beliefs" he either knew something or didn't. Fascinating.

[I Have A Dream]

56. I've never read "Seth Speaks"...

I really need to fix that.

I say "I believe" a lot because I don't want anyone to accuse me of trying to tell anyone else what is true. It's how I currently perceive things to be, but I'm definitely open to my "belief" changing at any time if something presents itself to show me otherwise. The most important element in my spiritual approach is an open mind.

:)

[Ricochet21]

61. Fabulous book

[rucognizant]

69. Profound!

And I agree...........I have experienced that recently. Wrapped in the "illusion " of a previous life, ( with costumes, sets, and props) the action itself is the present, a back & forth kind of function.

[Metta]

63. Karma is acts of the will, as defined by Eastern philosophers.

Like the Buddha.

[Myrina]

71. "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"

~ Sir Isaac Newton.

Although I suspect he was referring more to the tangible, physical world.

O8)

[Ricochet21]

72. So

do you think if you do something "bad", something "bad" will happen to you?

[Myrina]

73. I believe it comes back around, yes.

Obviously 'bad' and 'good' are subjective terms, and the justification for doing something 'bad' and 'good' are in the eye of the beholder as well, but if one chooses to do something they know is hurtful to another, then yes, something equally hurtful (although not identical, because what's 'hurtful' to one person may not be to someone else) will happen in their life.

That didn't feel like it made sense. Does it? I'm having a hard time putting it into words.


:hi:

[Ricochet21]

74. I know

this whole subject is very, very difficult to put into words. That's why I wanted to share this with what everyone else thinks.
I think that most of the time (if not all of the time) when one intentionally "hurts" someone, they are feeling the right to. That doesn't make it "right." And, they are trying to undo their own pain and not really trying to hurt the other. Therefore, I think Karma is a total game we all play within our own minds.

I have no idea if this is correct, but I'm sniffin....

The phrase you said, "Something equaly hurtful will happen in their life". Makes me wonder. Who is the equalizer? Who is keeping score? I just can't come to terms with agreeing with that. I think it's all from our childhood when we're told "Don't be bad!"
A complex subject. I can't wait to listen to a recording I have here by Dr. David Hawkins on the subject of karma. Also, on Oct. 28, Ram Dass will do a web broadcast with Eckhart Tolle; I'm sure they'll be talking about the same subject.

To me, karma is: if you make it real, it becomes real for as long as you imagine it to be so, but, it's all imaginary. :hi:

[Kind of Blue]

75. Hmm. Karma surely reminds me

of balancing equations from chemistry classes. Perhaps that's all karma is, an act of balancing equations we create.

[mntleo2]

76. For Every Action ...

...there is an equal and opposite REaction. In other words what you sow is what you reap ~ and not necessarily in this life but another life. While I know my title refers to physics with "linear" people, I do believe it is the same principal with karma.

This is neither good not bad as far as "guilt" or "innocence" because the Universe does not judge that way, this is about BALANCE ~ Yin/Yang, etc. We judge ourselves ~ and most of the times WE are the hardest on ourselves for what we do or don't do. When we map our next life we will map it to balance that karma.

So don't expect it to happen in this life, it could happen later, whether the consequences are for good or for our mistakes.

This can help with the desire for revenge when it seems someone "gets away with murder" because in some way, they will be next.

So my vote is: Karma is "none of the above" or "Other"

Cat in Seattle