I can't stand this debt ceiling nonsense any more

[LiberalEsto]

Have they all taken leave of their senses?

If the Tea Party leadership told these republicans to jump over a cliff, would they? Probably.

I find it increasingly difficult to feel any sort of optimism, either for my family, or for the entire United States.

Isn't there anything good happening anywhere?

[Why Syzygy]

1. One (scary) guess by an editor ..

I don't agree wholeheartedly. It very well could be true but I am just proposing and not selling.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/secular-government-collapse

Behind A Deficit Facade Burns A Dream Of Secular Government Collapse
July 27, 2011
By Rmuse

(Preview)
There is one thing all Americans hope their representatives in government aspire to besides drawing taxpayer-funded salaries, health insurance benefits, and lobbyists’ campaign contributions and that is to do their jobs administering the government. However, as of late, one party has accomplished absolutely nothing except to draw benefits. When every member of Congress takes the oath of office, they swear to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…bear true faith and allegiance to the same; take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.” There is no different oath for Republicans or Democrats, so people should expect all representatives to fulfill their oath and work diligently to administer their constitutional duties by working for the good of the country and by extension, the American people.
(...)

Norquist is now the de facto leader of the Republican Party and has convinced nearly every Republican to sign a pledge to never raise taxes. In fact, Norquist traveled around the country with a huge sign that reads, “My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.” At least Norquist, who is a despicable human being and an American traitor, has the courage to come out and admit his goal is ending the government. He has even commented that the deficit is not the problem, the existence of the government is. However, if Republicans fulfill the teabaggers’ goal of causing a default, they will be on track to finish off the secular government and install a corporatist theocracy that will impose Christian family values on every American.
(...)

[kimmerspixelated]

2. Interesting find, no doubt.

Ironically, one of their Christian values of taking care of those less priveleged, might become the norm...since folks will likely be living in tents thrown in their front yards, this will be the American man made disaster....

[findrskeep]

4. My husband and I happened to catch

the Lawrence O'Donnell (spelling?) show on msnbc last night. These days I try not to watch too many news shows. But I'm glad I happened to see it because he spent the first 15 minutes or so explaining how when the debt ceiling has been raised before it literally has happened at the very last minute and it's usually one sheet of paper and that's it. He kept saying how all of this, from BOTH sides is just posturing, and both sides are deliberately putting forth plans that they know the other side will not agree to so that they can each look like the "good guy" or the better, more reasonable, "just trying to work with you" team.

So I started thinking about this and if it is true that the way this has usually been done in the past is at the last hour, and it literally can be as simple as a one page document...then just think about the FEAR, confusion, the chaos and panic that is being projected! I truly see this as more fear mongering and exactly what all of us here know we need to be aware of and avoid at all costs. I have been getting the message for a few weeks now, stronger than ever that we must release and let go of anything that instills fear, as also mentioned in Rick's latest astrological update.

[Saokymo]

5. With this last big push of FEAR...

I think it's about to backfire on TPTB. Fear is like a highly addictive drug -- you have to keep doing more and more of it to get the same rush as before. Our country has been kept in a state of constant fear for the past decade now. How much further can they ramp the fright up? There's got to be a limit, and they might have finally reached it with this faux debt-limit hysteria.

At least that's what I'm hoping. Because seriously, fuck this shit. Enough is enough already. The teajadists want chaos and destruction? Fine, let 'em have it. We can all pick up the pieces and start over once the dust settles.

[Ricochet21]

10. I agree

good one

[kimmerspixelated]

14. Yes, I've caught myself getting really caught up in the fear-

And I just have to call BS, wait, stop, listen.

Plus, let's be real- REPUBLICANS LOOOOOOOOOOVE their Money!!!! Are they really going to place everything they own in jeopardy??

[Why Syzygy]

6. That's what Amy Goodman

learned from this guest:
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/28/richard_wolff_debt_showdown_is_political

RICHARD WOLFF: Well, basically, your word "dance" is perfect. This is theater. This is political theater in which the two parties are posturing for the election coming next year, using this occasion—to put it in perspective, the number of times the government has raised the debt ceiling since 1940? Ninety, almost twice a year. This is a normal, automatic procedure. Every president, Republican and Democrat, has asked for it. When they ask, typically, the representatives of the other party say, "Well, you’re not managing the government real well," and then they vote for it. And that has happened over and over again. So what you’re seeing is a decision, politically, to make it theatric, out of what otherwise would have been a normal procedure.

[get the red out]

3. They are hoping to destroy the country

And for us to not blame them for it and elect more and more of them to office so that they can finish destroying any hint of democracy.

I'm sick to death of the bastards and refuse to watch this complete misuse of power by elected officials.

Is there anything good happening? With the media we have how could we ever know? How much of this is a play for the media to feed us a new terror in place of Bin Laden and how much it this something that is real? I have no clue.

[Why Syzygy]

7. I've concluded

that it is all a charade. Some of the players are *serious*(sincere). Joke's on them. And us.

[get the red out]

9. I believe you are right

Have you noticed how Murdoch fell right off the media radar during all this? Now how about THAT!

I get sick of hearing the media screeching and the hand wringing but I can't help but feel that it is mostly a distraction.

[Ricochet21]

11. The Jupiter Uranus conjunction of May 2010 was referred to as the revolution

That is exactly what formed the TP Party. I warned then that the power of effervescent Jupiter with wild Uranus has a down side. Remember this is in Aries.

It has/had a good side, personal revolution, liberation and the growth of grassroots campaigns, power to the people.

But the party that BLAMES went too far. The shadow side of this conjunction is I WANT EVERYTHING I WANT RIGHT NOW AND I WON'T LISTEN TO ANYONE WHO TRIES TO DELAY THINGS OR MAKES THINGS COMPLICATED AND I HAVE MY FINGERS IN MY EARS "WADAWWADAWADAWADAW!!!!!!"

The extremely dangerous CHILDISH side of an Aries that gets outa hand like is just impossible to deal with. Both Uranus and Jupiter know NOTHING about limitations, working within boundaries, or using common sense.

I used the analogy of screaming kids in the back seat all along.

Then, they get together and feed off the "they did it" frenzy and blame the black man,don't you see? It has ALWAYS BEEN OK until we got this smooth-talking black guy in there.

They want what they want and they want it now. Unfortunately for them, Saturn and Pluto have the upper-hand and they are going to speak next week. The TP Party is an out of control expression of the powers of the Uranus/Jupiter conjunction in Aries.
Time for the 14th amendment; they're gonna blame him anyway.

[kimmerspixelated]

12. The smooth talking black man! HA! Exactly right...

I had this very same thought in my head yesterday...ALL of the Tpartiers are basically a bunch of racists. If not, then why weren't they upset when Bush was in control of these same basic problems?

I wonder what would've happened if Hillary or Biden had won... would the tea party even exist??

The TP's make me think we're back in the 50's in some kind of weird alternative universe.

[Ricochet21]

25. He's not getting out of it

Neptune is all over him like a cheap suit.

[DeSwiss]

8. I hope this helps you as it has helped me:

high council of orion message for 28th july

28 July 2011 - 6:43pm | onecalledk Channeler: Karen Doonan

Welcome beloveds we are here to guide and support ALL through this journey of human life experience. Many of you may have experienced fluctuations in energy over the past few days and we guide that this is normal as you integrate the ever increasing frequencies of light that are sweeping across the planet. We guide you to rest as necessary and to keep tuning into your heart as to how everything FEELs for you. This is the new world dear ones and the new is now based on how YOU FEEL.

Many are still finding it difficult to move from mind to heart and we guide you at all times to process all the information that is given to you from your media through the heart. It is easy for the illusion at this time to use smoke and mirrors, we guide you all to detach from seeing what you see and believing without discerning TRUTH for yourself. It is an easy illusion to fall into dear ones and we guide that those who are having the most difficulty with the new energies are oscillating between heart and mind. The teaching of illusion is strong around the issues that are emerging to be worked out by humans across the planet at this time. Where money and power are concerned many humans are completely immersed in illusion. Money is power and power is money is the teaching of illusion. Such are the depths of teaching around this concept that even those who have elevated their vibration to a higher level can be pulled into the illusion.

More: http://lightworkers.org/channeling/137470/high-council-orion-message-28th-july

Sirian Council of Elders message for 26th july

26 July 2011 - 10:33am | onecalledk Channeler: Karen Doonan

We come to communicate with all across planet earth at this time of vast energy changes and once more we guide ALL to process with their hearts. Many will hear messages that tell of dark events and we guide you to take this information into your heart centre and listen for the truth. Who does it serve to feed the human race with tales of darkness and death? Why would a universe support human life only to take that human life? Once more we guide that YOU are the creators of YOUr life experience. NOTHING that happens outside of YOU is not created by YOU.

We accept that many dismiss our messages of UNITY and we guide once more if you do not discern YOUr own truth then how can you begin to create the life experience that YOU can dream? Who does it serve to listen to the tales of death and destruction that spread across the planet earth at this time? Why would illusion seek to lower the vibration of ALL humans at this time if it was not to keep the veils from lowering?

Many humans are still not living from the heart centre and fueled by the seeds of fear that are beginning to take hold within their very BEing are helping illusion to spread its message. Many of these messages are wrapped in the illusion of love but are in reality messages of fear. When you pass on information to other humans about the death and tragedy that has occurred across the planet earth who does this serve? Does it serve the humans who have now transitioned and can clearly see the role they played in this drama? Or does it serve illusion for the act of transition not understood will strike fear and sprout that fear within humans. Death is not explained as the truth that it is across the planet, much illusion is taught around the subject and as such it is an aspect of human life experience that illusion has firm hold over. We guide strongly to go within to the heart and ask the questions in the silence. We guide firmly that the heart is the only source of truth in the life experience. The mind life experience will have various scenarios and confusions playing out and no satisfactory answer will be arrived at for the human mind does not process emotion.

MORE: http://lightworkers.org/channeling/137252/sirian-council-elders-message-26th-july

We're all susceptible to the tales of woe after living lifetime after lifetime having been well-taught to respond automatically to FEAR. And now it still takes a conscious effort for most of us to think "positively." And it all starts with the knowledge that we create our own realty.

- Take care of yourself......





"Chaos is needed for the veils to fall down"

[kimmerspixelated]

13. Thanks for posting this.

Wonderful messages.

[DeSwiss]

20. You're quite welcome.

- And here's one more perspective that I hope will be of help:

Now: Sometimes you may think you hate mankind. You may consider people insane, the individual creatures with whom you share the planet. You may rail against what you think of as their stupid behavior, their bloodthirsty ways, and the inadequate and shortsighted methods that they use to solve their problems. All of this is based upon you idealized concept of what the race should be -- your love for your fellow man, in other words. But your love can get lost if you concentrate upon those variations that are less than idyllic.

When you think you hate the race the most, you are actually caught in a dilemma of love. You are comparing the race to your idealized conception of it. In this case however you are losing sight of the actual people involved. (my emphasis)

You are putting love on such a plane that you divorce yourself from your real feelings, and you do not recognize the loving emotions that are the basis for your discontent. Your affection has fallen short of itself in your experience because you have denied the impact of this emotion, for fear that the beloved -- in this case the race as a whole -- will not measure up to it. Therefore you concentrate upon the digressions from the ideal. If, instead you allowed yourself to free the feeling of love that is actually behind your dissatisfaction, then it alone would allow you to see the loving characteristics in the race that now escape your observation to a large degree. ~Seth

Excerpt from: “The Nature of Personal Reality” by Jane Roberts - 1974 (pg. 427-428)

[Fire Walk With Me]

15. Now is the opportunity to create something good.

Positive ideas and actions will now "stick" and be fruitful in a way not possible in the old energy, and this only increases. Of course, stay in malaise and you'll only get malaise.

[findrskeep]

16. I keep getting a very strong vibe

that we need to know that all of this is just an illusion and it's beyond important for us not to engage in the chaos and the drama and the fear that comes with that engagement. As FWWM said, we can create the world we want now and it's important that we know that, and act upon it.

[kimmerspixelated]

17. I second that!

Hooray for Us! We can provide the light...Every One.

[DeSwiss]

21. Exactly.

- Fear has trained us to see negative outcomes from conflict - most often as disaster. When it is also an opportunity.

An opening.....

"In the Bill of Rights of the United States, there is an attempt to secure certain freedoms and protections by way of mere text on paper. Now while I understand the value of this document and the temporal brilliance of it in the context of the period of its creation, that does not excuse the fact that it is a product of social inefficiency and nothing more. Declarations of laws and rights are actually an acknowledgment of the failures of the social design. There is no such thing as 'rights' - as the reference can be altered at will. The fourth amendment is an attempt to protect against state power abuse, that is clear. But it avoids the real issue, and that is: Why would the state have an interest to search and seize to begin with? How do you remove the mechanisms that generate such behavior? We need to focus on the real cause.

The reality is that institutional establishments, institutions of codified thought, and institutions of societal influence and power, meaning philosophies, dogmas on one hand and corporations and governments on the other, each have a high propensity to engage in denial, dishonesty, and corruption to maintain self-preservation and self-perpetuation. The result is a continuous culture lag where social progress by way of incorporating new socially-helpful scientific advancements is constantly inhibited. It is like walking through a brick wall as the established power orthodoxies continue to perpetuate themselves for their own interests and comforts.

The profit mechanism creates established orders which constitute the survival and wealth for a few groups of people. The fact is that no matter how socially beneficial new advents may be, they will be viewed in hostility if they threaten an established financially-driven institution. Meaning social progress can be a threat to the establishment. So to put this into a sentence: Abundance, sustainability and efficiency are the enemies of profit.

Progressive advancement in science and technology which can solve problems of inefficiency and scarcity once and for all, are in effect making the prior establishment's servicing of those issues obsolete. Therefore in a monetary system corporations aren't just in competition with each other, they're in competition with progress itself. That is why social-change is so difficult within a monetary system. In other words, the established monetary system refuses to allow free-flowing change." ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPmHaTirnCc">Peter Joseph

http://www.thevenusproject.com

[FirstLight]

18. beyond the fear...

I am in a weird place with this, one the one hand i hope there will be a crack in the levy and the economic issues will cause a 'leveling out' as things fall apart ...maybe not a full scale shit hit the fan, but a little crack that will begin taking down the enmeshed wall st and gambling mentality and bring about an equal-eco-conscious type of money system...


on the other hand, i am a little nervous about TANF, Foodstamps and HUD housing checks... that could really screw my life up big time. so if that stops, i may just wish for out&out apocalypse because i won;t have anything to lose and i will just squat in my rental house while the shit falls around me. At least I have tribe to help with needs and survival in the short term...

here's another thing i am considering:
I want to end my bank accts, really...just screw them and their fees and keep my money to myself. There are rechargeable visa cards and I can use that if needs be. I just think it may be time to go 'off grid' in some ways...
I also think if my TANF or other 'help' stops...i will ask my folks for a chunk of my inheritance now, and just make it work. (buy a freaking trailer and move to the washoe land...)

but none of these things seem to be coming from fear, i just feel like I am preparing for different scenarios...

[Avalux]

19. I am floating around 3 different scenarios about this:

1. Somehow, at the last minute, a debt ceiling increase goes through without anything attached (as is done historically). But nothing is really solved.

2. Obama invokes the 14th Amendment to avert a disaster. But, the Republicans (Tea Party driven) move to impeach Obama over abuse of powers, and the SC backs them up because of the makeup of the SC. Republicans declare triumph and take power.

3. Obama allows everything to collapse, and we suffer the consequences. But, then things may change.

My head tells me to pick #1. My heart tells me to pick #3. Perhaps collapse of the status quo must happen in order for the inevitable change for the better.

I don't really see how things can get better unless it's #3.

[Ricochet21]

22. The planets say 3

[findrskeep]

23. My "feeling" on it is #3 too...for what it's worth...

I know it's easy to "say" that though without knowing the full consequences but how will anything change if we keep propping up the broken and never allow it to be fixed?

[Ricochet21]

24. Good point Finder

hard, but good