what do people here think of all this 2012 talk?

[Douglas Carpenter]

[Douglas Carpenter]

1. a shameless kick for more voting results

[davsand]

2. Like all the OTHER projected dates for world change/collapse/rebirth it is just a date.

I would like to HOPE that we'll see a positive change as a result, but I just can't bring myself to take it to the bank just yet.

From my own personal perspective, I will say that there have been any number of times--either that I read about in history or in my 50 years of life--where somebody had a dire prediction based on some particular date's coming or going, and absolutely ZIP happened. By way of example, I'll cite the arrival of the year 2000. Everybody got out of bed the next day wondering why they had even worried about it in the first place. There may have been some hangovers that were catastrophic, but not much more.

We can hope, but not much more than that at this point, I think.



Laura

[Kookaburra]

3. Ha ha ha ha -- I remember that

I wanted to go out and party like it was 1999, but my nitwit neighbor was terrified that our security systems would not work and someone would ransack our homes. She was so terrified that she convinced me to stay home with her and a couple of other dingbat neighbors (I mainly stayed to keep her from having a nervous breakdown). I read their cards for them and threw in a couple of "you guys really need to stop believing everything you hear"'s in the readings. We opened an insanely expensive bottle of bubbly and celebrated in her front parlor.

So I know what you mean about accepting definitive dates, etc.

on edit: I call them nitwit and dingbat to their faces. They call me loco hell cat. Terms of endearment.

[Matariki]

27. I've read about the hysteria in Europe in 1666 too.

Apparently that was a BIG 'end of the world' date.

[GliderGuider]

4. Other:

It means that many people have begun to subliminally realize that a major shift in the way we live on this planet is imminent and inevitable. "2012" is a symbol that satisfies the requirement of being in the right time frame as well as representing a shift of the magnitude that people sense intuitively is coming. It also has the spiritual connection required to give it memetic power. Is it "real"? IMO it is as real as any symbol people choose to express their inner and outer reality, so yes, in that sense "2012 is real".

[Fire Walk With Me]

5. I was actually going to post something similar a couple of days ago

but a Poll is a better idea than I had.

Number 3, the world is shifing into a higher vibration and we can already see the results, and even more so, feel them. Karen Bishop, who has been correct so very often regarding the shifts and their meaning (and from whom I take lessons and guidance through such as she has posted) calls this "Co-Creator Energy". We are moving out of the hideous 3rd Dimension and into the 4th and higher. The 4th is Love energy.

Please note that most of the population is not love-based. This may be cause for certain...difficulties...as the energy continues to rise in both vibration and manifestation potential.

Take a test. Do a two-minute Hate at your favorite right-wing jerkhole(s). Hate deeply. Use all of your energy and RAGE. Reach out with your feelings, as the man said. Now tell me if it seems deeper than when you have previously done so, and if it takes longer to go away. Or if you have to spend time in a positive mood to clease such results.

And also, if you find it easier to get into a joyous space, and to be able to stay there. Tell me if there is more energy there now :)

And please note that some of us in this forum who have been discussing such things are able to back up such perceptions (even though none of us may see the complete picture).

http://2012basics.blogspot.com/2010/02/point-by-point-on-my-earlier.html

Ricochetastroman's work is also very much worth looking at, if you wish.

[Kookaburra]

6. I tried it FWWM, and I couldn't hold the hate for 2 minutes

The best I could do was about 30 seconds, and even then it wasn't very strong hate. I didn't have to "cleanse" out the hate with a positive emotion, because I couldn't get the hate to stick to begin with. That's a good sign. Right?

[Fire Walk With Me]

7. It speaks well of you :)

:hi:

[Kookaburra]

9. I swear I wasn't fishing for a compliment

what I meant was, is this part of the change we go through to ascend to 4th dimension? Not being able to hold hate?

[Fire Walk With Me]

16. Hate is pretty much incompatable with the 4th dimension, AFAIK.

Moving out of duality into simply being loving would suggest that...and the compliment was simply me telling the truth as I perceive it :)

[davsand]

11. Maybe I'm just suffering with ADD when it comes to intense dislike.

I just have never been able to stay intensely angry LONG enough to actually hate anybody--at least as a general rule. I dunno about everybody else, but I seriously have a difficult time feeing any sort of negative emotion for anybody that is not directly part of my experience. Somebody has to have REALLY worked at it to make me so angry that I "remember" it enough to carry rancor much past that moment.

I will admit that the abuser in my workplace (the one that surfaced during my Saturn return a few years ago) well, he comes as close as anyone I can think of, and even he is just pretty much GONE from my world except for that rare occasion when I run into him. I don't spend time wishing him ill, nor do I spend much time celebrating his misfortunes (I will admit I HAVE enjoyed hearing about them when they have happened, but I also figure I'm still working through an awful lot of what happened, so I'm cutting myself a break for those infrequent "character" lapses.)

There are people I do not choose to interact with, but I consider that to be a lot different than "hate." I don't think it has as much to do with my spiritual development as much as it does my own basic inability to stay mad for too long. I think Freud might have classified me as "anal explosive" in that regard--I say what I think and then move on without carrying too much away with me.


:shrug:


Laura

[SheilaT]

8. As someone else pointed out to me,

every calendar we currently use ends on December 31st. The world does not come to an end. We just roll over and start again with January 1.


Oh, and remember the Y2K thing? Remember all the airplanes that fell out of the sky, the ATMs that no longer worked, the total shutdown of the world's economy? Neither do I.

[MorningGlow]

10. 'Zactly

:thumbsup:

[Love Bug]

12. The Mayans ran out of room on their calender stone?

Calenders are human devices used for measuring time. Pretty much every sufficiently advanced civilization developed one and they are all different.

And yeah, what everyone here said about Y2K.

However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't direct our thoughts toward a better world, and we don't need a deadline to do that!

[rumpel]

13. Actually, I think

the Spaniards burned the majority of the Mayan records, and the current debate is, hence, based on the interpretation of incomplete information.

[MorningGlow]

15. This is true

There were hundreds--thousands--of Mayan records, which were nearly all destroyed. We only have a handful left. There's no way that we can completely understand their systems based on the few that still exist.

[rumpel]

14. Old cycle will end and new one will begin, albeit

not from one day to the next.

I think the galactic energies are now reaching a point where human consciousness is increasingly moving towards a more harmonic and balanced way of existence. It just indicates a turning point, which most of us only will realize in hindsight.

Fun poll - thanks
:)

[Oak2004]

17. At risk of being a resident spoilsport, I voted "nothing of significance"

Liberation does not come into being because of the arrival of a calendar date. It is not any more or less possible because of what numbers someone wrote in a box in a small, mostly empty, book, and what page in the book someone else opened that day.

It comes about through work, very very hard work, very very disciplined work, and yes, suffering. In my opinion the single greatest failing of the new age movement is a tendency to assume that things will be, or ought to be, easier than they really are. The hard reality is that if you want to find the real masters and teachers, look for the bloody footprints in the snow, and follow them.

It's hard. It's very hard. If it were not so hard it would be commonplace. And the Universe doesn't offer special bonus points towards liberation because you've reached a particular number on a piece of paper (or rock, clay, whatever). Life is no video game.

Now we are moving rapidly as a society towards a crisis, and how we deal with it will determine whether we become the first human civilization with some self-awareness and staying power, or whether our civilization will collapse and we will descend into a new dark age. I don't think this crisis has anything much to do with 2012, either, though being a long term phenomenon this crisis will certainly be part of the general atmosphere on 12/21/12. We will all need to play our part, and make our decisions, regarding this crisis. But this crisis isn't about a special dispensation granted from above -- it's about karma coming to bite our collective sorry asses.

[Fire Walk With Me]

18. I agree. There is a ton of hard work ahead of us.

Global warming has not stopped and will not. The Earth is a cesspool of pollution and poison. The majority of human society is insane, based upon insane principles and destruction and selfishness.

The big difference will be that in the positive energies, it will become easier and easier for positive actions to take hold and to "snowball", where before, it has been like beating our heads against a wall, hoping at some point to make a dent. This positive change should already be visible to some. Look for more positive change based upon a growing sense of "this is not good enough" where before, it was. Check and note the trend.

Work work work. There is no escaping it, it is a requirement of responsibility. How we choose to meet it will tell much about us as a species.

[Fire Walk With Me]

19. Regarding hard work...some of it will be fun because it is for the greater good.

That sort of thing will become more commonplace. This is another Trend of which to be aware.

[OneGrassRoot]

21. Thank you FWWM and Oak2004....

I really appreciate what you've both shared here.

FWWM, I love this:

The big difference will be that in the positive energies, it will become easier and easier for positive actions to take hold and to "snowball", where before, it has been like beating our heads against a wall, hoping at some point to make a dent.

Very inspiring. And I so agree that work for the Greater Good can be the huge difference...where passions came be allowed to propel our daily activities.

Thank you. :hug:

Thank you both. :grouphug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

26. And of course, I have utterly mixed metaphors. I'm not certain if my English skills will improve

in the 2012 energies :crazy: :hi:

[northernlights]

20. none of the above for me

I think we will on or around that time enter a new Mayan calendar -- the 5th world. I have no idea what that will mean :shrug:

I guess will just have to wait and see.

[Lindsey]

22. I don't know what to think about 2012. My hope, of course, is that

2012 will be a massive new awakening caused by the positive/loving forces.

[Douglas Carpenter]

23. one last kick to see if there are any more votes and opinions

[Celebration]

24. LOL, I tried to vote

And it said I already voted............and I don't remember. I wonder if I voted the same way :shrug:

People have been predicting the end of the world forever. *Sometime* it will likely happen. But the probability level of each prediction is very low. But that automatically means that someone predicting the end of the world will be correct. I doubt if it will be soon, though.

[SheilaT]

25. With all due respect to the many here

who genuinely try to achieve higher consciousness, I see little evidence of any improvement in the behavior of mankind as a whole. Corporations are still selfish and greedy. People still main, torture, and kill others for any reason or no reason.

No matter what time frame you choose, there's not the slightest clue that people as a whole are getting any better, any more spiritual, any more enlightened. 12/21/2012 is just a date, like any other date. In my lifetime there have been many predictions about the end of the world, and every date selected has come and gone rather calmly. As I posted above, all sorts of ridiculous apocalyptic things were predicted for Y2K, and none of them came true.

I try to treat others with dignity and respect, because it's my obligation, my soul's obligation to do that. So many are trapped in a cycle of selfishness, anger, and every other possible negative emotion, and I don't think that's going to change any time soon. We all have to travel through many lifetimes, and earth seems to be a dangerous place, that easily corrupts the soul. Speaking for myself, my awareness of the cycle of lives has played a major role in helping me to become a better person this time around. But each and every soul must go through its own journey, and I don't see any way it can be sped up or shortcut in any way.