Being aware of how we think...and what we ask for......

[winyanstaz]

Sometimes my visulizations manifest right away...sometimes it takes longer...it all depends on how one-pointed I am and how clearly I picture it in my mind's eye.
For sometime I have had a lovely fish (beta) named rainbow. He was very lovely with purples and blues and greens and I had gotten a large decorative bowl he lived in that was deep with nice shells and places for him to hide in.
I had been thinking a lot lately of giving him to one of my granddaughters as a gift as I was tired of cleaning his bowl and as I go to the woods a lot camping etc, I was also rather weary of getting someone to feed him when I was gone.
As I stumbled around half awake this morning (I hadn't had my morning tea yet..and I am NOT a morning person :P) I was feeding my cat and went to feed my fish.
As I grabbed the fish food and headed to the front room to feed rainbow...I had the clear thought of that it was past time to find another home for him somehow...and then I was in a bit of shock as I stood there over his empty bowl.
I searched the floor in case he had somehow jumped out...no fish. Then I looked at my cat Tenchi...and he looked innocently up at me. :P
I knew he had known the fish was there but he had never paid much attention..however I think he had breakfast early today!
I confess I did feel a little guilty because I had been thinking of the fish as gone but I swear I didn't mean for him to go this way!
I just thought I would share my early morning lesson that Spirit gave me today...be careful of what you ask for because you just might get it!
Good thoughts for rainbow will be much appreciated...thanks :)

[I Have A Dream]

1. Oooo... that's a tough lesson! Sorry that you got to see it in action...

so up close and personally, winyanstaz. :(

Much love to rainbow.

By the way, this is the reason that I always say "this or something better for the highest good for all involved" when I consciously make a request of the Universe. However, in your case, you were just thinking about it. There's not much that you can do since you can't be on guard 24-hours a day.

I'm sure that you're a more powerful manifester than most people, winyanstaz. That's a blessing but can also be problematic. :hug:

[get the red out]

2. You ever think it might have been the other way around?

That the universe might have been preparing you for the loss of your little fishy friend with a thought rather than you accidentally causing his death with a thought?

[winyanstaz]

3. nope..because I already know I create my reality by the way I think.

[get the red out]

4. If this is true for all of us

there is no hope

[winyanstaz]

5. actually there is much more hope....

because there is no holding back the dawn. We will all wake up and we are all going "home". How can it be otherwise as we are all One?
We don't have that much power to manifest very well until we become a little aware...able to hold our thoughts on one subject and to focus our intent.
The Light is returning, even though this is the darkest hours.

[I Have A Dream]

7. I agree completely with the following...

"We don't have that much power to manifest very well until we become a little aware...able to hold our thoughts on one subject and to focus our intent."

[get the red out]

9. The paranoia

Yet there is much paranoia and obsession associated with manifestation. People fretting about every thought, yet then people say that it takes great focus on intent to achieve one's goals (which is something that I can actually accept on some level because the idea of effort to achieve a goal makes sense, and an effort to achieve negative would achieve only negative).

This is just in my mind, but to me it seems to (in some people out there) capitalize on the same punishing God/fear based training we have been burdened with across the planet throughout time. When we fear bad things, punishment, coming from every stray thought or look at someone who is sick or has been injured and then assume they have had "bad thinking" that has brought on their "punishment" from the universe, that feels fundamentalist. The fear based religious people tell us that God loves us and there is freedom in God, but the other side to that is the punishment.

Are entire impoverished countries guilty of bad thoughts? Except for their greedy, rich dictators who have everything they want (stolen from their people)? The non-western world often seems neglected in various manifestation theories. I really don't believe that someone born into poverty thought their way there or can always manifest their way out.

I am certainly not referencing anyone on ASAH, I read a lot of stuff on the internet, and so much of it seems completely centered on the western or "free" world and there are a lot of people on this planet. I also tend to key in on aspects of spirituality that remind me of fundamentalist Christianity since that is what I am bombarded with often. But I really do see a dark side to the fears associated with the manifestation ideas.

And no IHAD, you never seem like you are pushing your ideas at all, far from it. I may make a thread out of this somewhere at some point. It has been on my mind some lately.

[I Have A Dream]

10. I understand what you're saying, gtro.

I personally don't think that most people's thoughts manifest unless they're really obsessing about things, and, if they're doing that, I think that there are remedies (such as the "Cancel, cancel" or positive affirmation methods) to undo it. For instance, I have a real safety concern, so when I go outside at night by myself (even for a minute), I immediately feel a twinge of fear. As soon as that happens, I tell myself (and the Universe!) that I am safe and protected. It's as simple as that for me. That's how I use it in my life. Does it really do anything? I can't be certain, but I think that it does. However, I don't believe in it strongly enough to risk walking in a dangerous area with confidence that I'll be safe. Others might though...

I sort of think of it as walking. If we were adults but had never been taught to walk, learning to do so would be quite scary, especially if nobody around us is already doing it or has ever done it. If nobody that we know walked, when we first try to walk, we wouldn't know if it were even possible until someday someone gives it a try and falls down often enough to work through it to actually master the skill of walking. After that first person learns how to walk, it's not nearly so scary for subsequent people who take on the task of mastering the skill because they've seen it in action.

The problem with manifestation is that, unlike walking, there's no way to really tell for sure that it worked. Maybe you're actually right, and it isn't how things really work. We won't know for sure until someone either masters it to the point where they can do it unfailingly very quickly so that we have the proof that our rational minds can understand, or we get to the other side and have this veil lifted from our eyes so that we again know the true laws of the Universe.

Another thing that complicates things, in my opinion, is that people have different ideas about how all of this manifestation stuff works. Some say to state what you want to the Universe, expect it, and let it go without dwelling on it any further. Others say that we should focus on it intensely -- imagining every detail of it, feeling it, etc. I've seen both ways work, but again it's just anecdotal information.

I'm not 100% convinced, but I'm much further on the side of manifestation working than not working, at least at this point in my life. Tomorrow might be another story... (I reserve the right to completely change my mind at any time. :))

In reference to what you mentioned about bad things happening to people, I think that we need to take into account karma, life lessons that we chose before we incarnated, and also just plain old bad luck or others' free will. (I want to make it clear that I don't believe that people automatically deserve all of the bad things that happen to them. A "bad" thing might be karmic, and it might not be.)

:hug:

[get the red out]

11. Thank you for your response

I believe in Karma in various ways, and pre-life choices; and I really believe in nasty people exercising their free will to create harm.

I believe when I dwell in a negative place it harms me, this I have evidence of, I feel the physical effects more quickly than ever now; and when I am in that spot I am more likely to interact negatively with others, even by just giving off "bad vibes". That is a manifestation I whole-heartedly agree with because I have experienced it. I also believe it limits what I can then offer that is positive, it eats my energy and there is nothing left to contribute to anything better than anger, fear, rage etc... And I have experienced the converse with dwelling on positive, helpful things. I have experienced that the very energy I give off from my emotions effects how others react to me, no matter what I say or do. That's just how I see things work on my personal level. I also like to see the ultimate power in the universe as loving, but allowing us to learn and grow by granting free will; which is how we end up with all the messy crap that goes on on earth.

That's just the place I am working from right now, spiritually. I believe in the benefits of higher thinking 100%, but also know from personal experience that obsessions on perfection breed like tribbles in my mind and that I can't afford to loose sight of good things by giving them too much power.

Just my rambling opinions.

[I Have A Dream]

6. In my opinion, if we were taught this from the time that we...

were very young children, we'd be able to learn the skills that would allow us to create the lives that we want. Instead, we're not, and I personally think that this is a deliberate attempt (at least by some, including high-level religious people who know how the Universe really works) to keep humanity weak and powerless. (This is just my belief, but I feel it strongly.)

If we'd learn this while we were young, it also wouldn't feel as though it's an alien way of thinking, which is the case for us now since we're being exposed to the concept as adults.

gtro, I'm not trying to convert you. I just know that you've wanted to discuss this in the past, and I have struggled with the best way to discuss it with you without making you feel as though I'm trying to make you believe my beliefs. :hug:

[northernlights]

8. RIP Rainbow

I'm so sorry for your loss, winyanstaz.

I think this may be less of manifestation than animal communication. I have had much experience with animal communication (in both directions) over the years. Your thoughts may have carried an image of poor Rainbow gone, and Tenchi gave you what he interpreted as your wish.

[winyanstaz]

12. that could also very well be what happened.

I have shared consciousness before with animals..usually though I am aware I am doing it.
As to manifesting thoughts...I have been manifesting things since 1982 on a very regular and often very fast basis.
Nope I do not always get every single thing I ask for but I feel that is due to the fact that every thing I ask for might not be in my best interest.
I do know however that I get everything I NEED and I have been doing so since the moment of my birth and shall continue to do so until the moment of my death. Same as with everyone.
We cannot say people did not chose to be born into poverty. Sometimes the spirit could very well have chosen that situations for a variety of reasons.
Sometimes we are born with those we have things to work out with..or a strong desire to help can also bind us.
Sometimes the spirit wants to learn to let go of material things and sometimes a spirit needs the lesson of why we should try to help the poor. Sometimes it is plain ol karma of not giving a dang in our past life or perhaps we took advantage of the poor and wish to now learn why this is not good.
Regardless of what reason we chose...it still remains that we are tied to rebirth because we "choose", either by our karma or of and by our desires and wishes and needs to progress and learn of our own paths.
This belief of mine comes not only from remembering pieces and parts of past lives while still a small child (and I "saw" things and places in those visions that I had never been exposed to and I also have been able to verify a few things at this time that were in my visions.
You can also verify that these ideas of rebirth are also found in advanced yoga philosophy.
You might wish to read "14 lessons in Yoga Philosophy" by Yoga Ramacharaka. You can find it free on line as this is such an old book it is now in the public domain and the Yoga Society has made it available.
* edited for speeling :P

[northernlights]

13. hey, nothing says animals can't eavesdrop!

And cats can be particularly sneaky, imho :) Particularly when they sense "permission to hunt trapped fish!" (or canary or hamster :( )

I've been manifesting everything I need since birth and possibly before. In an age regression hypnosis, I experienced my mother's pelvic exam confirming her pregnancy with me, as well as my birth. The general tenor of those memories meshed with my later discovery that I was supposed to be an illegal abortion via hysterectomy, which she'd "convinced some doctors to give her. YaYa (her aunt) found out and intervened. Otherwise there wouldn't have been 3 of us!" per my sister. One year after I was born, my mother successfully manifested uterine cancer and got her hysterectomy.

So yes, we have to be careful sometimes of our thoughts manifesting in unwelcome ways...maybe because the manifestation may be aided and abetted (and/or derailed somewhat) by others manifesting at cross-purposes.

We cannot say people did not choose to be born poor, but we also cannot say that they did. I do feel there is a legitimate danger with YCYOR of a tendency to blame the victim. There are individual realities, but there are also larger, group realities that are co-manifested. And other people can deliberately or inadvertantly disrupt personal manifestations. I know my mother tried to manifest me out of existance. My aunt and I apparently countered that manifestation. Life on earth as we know it can be considered a giant manifestation project.