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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 06:38 PM
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well, i think we are allowed to discuss parenting gifted kids,
aren't we?
we all want to avoid our parents mistakes, want our kids to have it better. but a lot of "tag's" have scars, and have holes in their emotional skill sets that are just "normal for gifted". we are so pulled in opposite directions. wanting to nourish their gifts, but still wanting them to be just normal kids.
it has been a razor sharp pain for me.
how about you?
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:01 PM
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I think the term "gifted" has too much baggage and is ambiguous as best. (As evidenced by all the brouhaha on DU from people *I* considered to be fairly intelligent themselves.)

And what the heck is "Normal" anyway? - My normal is someone else's WEIRD. lol

I like to use the term PDS for my son (Pretty darn smart) - he's not HG nor PG - just an IQ a bit above "average".

Of course he's also LD - as in Learning DIFFERENCED. (Some like to use the term "disabled") but I've been reading everything I can get my hands on about kids "like him" - and am on numerous loops with parents of other 2e children (2e = Twice Exceptional - at in "gifted" and "ld") - and the more I read - the more I'm convinced - that the brain is a totally fascinating, complex, and mostly mysterious organ.

Many "gifted" (as in intellectually advanced - IA) children also have LD's. This may well mask or impeded the "gift". In fact, I'd venture to say that many kids out there who are treated as "average" may well be above average in intelligence, they just don't "present' as such due to their LD.

IA kids often have a difficult time communicating with same-age peers (or teachers.) IA kids are often very sensitive - and emotionally - well they're usually either MORE mature - or present as 'less mature' due to the high degree of frustration trying to interact with people who just don't GET them!

Being BORED out of your frieakin' mind can create havoc in the classroom. Being always at the "head of the class" can create jealousy in the classroom (and NOT just from the other students! Teachers are frequently "annoyed" by bright kids - the ones who are also a pain in the @ss.)

Do I know the pain? Uh - yeah. As a student. As a parent.

I know I don't want my kids suffering through some of what I went through.

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:35 PM
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2. it's about a lot more than test scores, or iq, even
you touched on it with mention of sensitivity, but it is a lot more than that. there are a lot of tendencies, mindsets, personality types, whatever you want to call them, that are common to gifted kids (and gifted is the accepted term of the experts in the field. nobody seemed to be able to offer an accurate alternative.) even across types of gifts- artistic, musical, and intellectual. there is such a thing as normal for gifted.
social skills, broadly, are often seen as "abnormal", but really tend in a few directions that are not the same as most kids but can be managed, with training for teachers.
one example- they tend to have a strong need for fairness, justice and honesty, especially at the very high end. my son is a solidly off the charts genius. he never lies, ever. it drives him crazy when his sibs cheat or lie. very, very common. but it seems really weird to most kids, and most adults are reluctant to believe that the kid can't lie. so, beyond just having intellectual challenge, teachers need to know that this is common, and they can trust the kid.

i will concede that i think most kids would do better in the type of classrooms that are best for gifted kids. lots of choices, lots of freedom, lots of respect and patience. i think we treat too many kids like shit.
and i absolutely agree about teachers. my littlest is really gifted, and also one of the sweetest, most empathetic, polite, happiest little kids ever. but she had a real clash with her math teacher last year. a bleached blond, with bleached teeth, who wore tight sweaters and spike heels to teach 7th grade. hmmmm. the kid is not a pain, but she was bored to death. so she drew pictures to keep from cracking up. someone with some training with gifted kids would have probably just ignored it. but it pissed her off.
yes, there are a lot of 2e's out there. and many more undiagnosed. our understanding is certainly crude. brains are amazing. but just throwing up our hands and saying, well, they are all different, is not enough. much is known about these kids, their needs are not a mystery, they deserve the same appropriate education that the kids in the other skinny part of the bell curve deserve. it is a crime that they cannot get that. the lost potential is so enormous.
i'm kinda tired, and a little fuzzy here tonight.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-31-07 08:39 AM
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14. So I have been doing some research on gifted kids for my daughter.
She is now so far ahead in her reading at the end of K, I am concerned that the public elementary she is at will not be able to challenge her next year. It is a great school, I hope she stays there, but I want to get some other opinions before I make a decision. So I got a referral from a friend who had her gifted son tested and we have an appointment for next week.

So here are the interesting things. By researching my daughter development, I discovered that I was likely a gifted or at least PDS kid with learning disabilities myself. I *never* functioned in public school. I read voraciously from an early age, but somehow managed to always be in the remedial reading group :shrug: In high school I nearly flunked out the same year I got a nearly perfect score on my verbal SAT. What a train wreck my education was. Too late for a do over, but I hope to do better with my own kids.

The other thing I learned are that people are *very* hostile and competitive about their kids abilities, and you best not discuss your gifted or even PDS kids achievements with anyone. I have always been circumspect about discussing my daughters abilities with non-relatives, but it has been an interesting week of discovery for me, and I really wanted to talk. So I mentioned I was taking my kid in for testing next week to a person I thought was a very good friend and the conversation took a horrible and unexpected turn. Suddenly it was about how her kid was every bit as intelligent as mine, which very well might be true and I am fine with that, and then I was somehow criticizing her parenting and career decision :shrug: :( It was the most insane conversation and I am still reeling. In the meantime, my kids are asking for her kids and I don't know what to say or how to talk to this person again.

Crazy week.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 11:36 PM
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15. My kids got tested yesterday.
Edited on Sun Apr-08-07 11:36 PM by katsy
They're in K - public school also.

Turned out very well... they qualified for gifted.

BUT not without my son freaking out the psychologist first. Every time he asked my son a question, my son would say, "oh - I know that one.". And "did my sister get that one right?"

The psych called me in (mid-test) and asked me if he had taken the test before. I told him, truthfully, that no he had not... that my son's just a know-it-all at 6. :eyes:

The kids thought they were to jump through these hoops just to qualify for an ice cream sundae. It seemed to take any stress they may feel about taking a "test" off their minds and I don't want this going to their heads.

Like you, I will not discuss this with close friends. I'm sorry about your friend. Not every parent reacts that way I hope.

In the end, for me, it just means that maybe they'll get the kind of education/attention every other child deserves. Qualifying doesn't make my kids better or even smarter or more talented. But considering the school system we're in, it would have been negligent not to give this a try. No regrets.

Let me know how your daughter's test goes & get her in bed early the night before!
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 06:59 AM
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18. Tests went fine.
These were private tests because our school system does not test until second grade for acceleration in third.

She tested solidly in the gifted range. Her verbal scores were high, but I found it interesting that her perceptual reasoning scores (math and science aptitude) were even higher. The psych showed us some of the test problems for perceptual reasoning, and we couldn't figure out the last one. Sad when your six year old out performs you on a test :(

As far as where to go next, my daughter could probably stay in her current school with tons of acceleration and challenging outside activities. She is an amiable child and wants to please. But we do have a charter school for gifted kids in town and her test scores put her in the acceptance range, so I will go over there in the next few week to see what they have to offer.

We are in a good place with her right now. She likes her current school. I think her teacher will work with me on provided more challenge. All of this buys me time to figure out what to do in the long run.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 01:37 PM
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21. ROFL!!!!
I know the feeling. Both mine outperform me. I expect to learn much from them in the future.

I missed the deadline for enrolling them in the charter school for gifted kids and we can't afford private. They're in a math & science magnet now and I may leave them there for the time being. I don't know.

My son, like your daughter, was off the map in math & science. He likes his school. But my concern is for my daughter who tested high verbally. If only I had tested earlier. She's shut out school choice right now and has not been happy at her school. :(

I feel as though I'm walking a tightrope here,
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 01:51 PM
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22. If I like the Charter school, I will wail list her for next year
since we missed the admissions deadline, then enter the lottery for 2nd grade, where she will have a somewhat better chance of admission. If she misses the lottery in 2nd, then back on the wait list. But I will probably be able to get her in at some point. Because she is happy in her current situation, I will try not to freak too much. But I do wish I had her tested earlier. Would have been much easier to get a spot in K. Oh well, live and learn.

My son does not appear to be as gifted, but he makes up for it by having twice the attitude. :crazy: I am going to have him tested next year, regardless, just to be on the safe side. I suspect some learning disabilities as well as high intelligence, which I know personally to be a recipe for disaster. Plus, if he does have a gifted IQ, I can get him into the right school immediately.

Good luck with your daughter. Sounds like you are on the job and aware of her gifts and issues. I am sure you will find something that is a good fit for her. Are there some after school/weekend programs that might challenge her until you get a better school situation figured out?
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 03:21 AM
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16. We are going through this, also. My daughter isn't even in Kindergarten yet and
is reading on about a 3rd grade level. We are trying to get her into a "Spanish Immersion" program -- non Spanish speakers start in Kindergarten and by 3rd grade can read, write and speak Spanish. We are afraid she is going to be so bored in Kindergarten.

I was an early reader also, and a classic "under achiever". I was a "B" student with practically zero effort and could have been an "A" student if I had applied myself even a little.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 07:03 AM
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19. The psych who tested my daughter recommended
language immersion and Montessori as decent options for gifted kids. The immersion gives the kids extra challenge because they learn in a foreign language. The Montessori is more individualized learning, which allows a smart kid to progress even if his/her peers are not on the same level. You might also check if there is a gifted charter or magnet school in your area.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 07:53 AM
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3. One of my kids appears to be extremely bright.
She is still young, so I guess it is hard to know for sure. But she did stuff that, according to an article I read at one point, might indicate giftedness. She drew figuratively really, really early, taught herself to read, and her interests seem to be more advanced and intense than most of my friend's kids.

When we go to the library and I ask her what she wants books about, the subjects she picks are fascinating. Last summer, I particularly remember the day she asked for a book about human hearts, "mommy, I really want to see a picture of what it looks like, too", and sign language. Her interest in human physiology is ongoing. We spend a lot of time at the children's museum looking at the human body exhibits.

We have been at a really wonderful experiential preschool where every child is encouraged to fulfill their unique potential, but next year is public Kindergarten. I am trying not to get too nervous. I figure, for the first bit, she will be settling in. I am concerned that she might become bored later. But I guess we will jump off that bridge when we get to it.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 09:22 AM
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4. she sounds like it
artistic ability, plus that kind of curiosity, plus not only reading before kindergarten, but teaching herself= a gifted kid. strap yourself in, you are in for a ride. i knew my son was brilliant when he was a baby. he had the most intense focus. it was crazy. it made him a very easy baby. just give him an object that he had never seen before, and he would be happy for a half an hour. even a wooden spoon or something, he would stare at it, turn it over and over, taste it, just absorb every bit.
i want to emphasize that this is about a lot more than boredom in school. these kids are different. they need to be around kids like themselves. i really dislike the idea that you can just accelerate the material and they will be ok. they need to be free to make choices about what to learn, free to follow that curiosity.
i have taken almost all the routes out there, and i highly recommend that you find out now what is available in your school system for this kid, get her gifts verified, and be ready to fight.
the one thing that i have not done is tried to get an iep. in some states you can.
any lawyers in your family?
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:13 AM
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5. They do have a gift magnet in our school system.
They don't test for it until 3rd grade. I guess I have hesitated to get too educated about gifted children because it seems like most parents think their kids is gifted these days. But I do see a difference between my two children. My son is an intelligent child; bright, funny and athletic. But he is not scary smart like my daughter. I ask him which books he wants from the library and he says, "books about monsters and poop, momeeeee!". It is comforting actually. Having conversations with a four year old about how the atriums and ventricles in a human heart work is a bit weird.

Anyway, I have not made a big deal about my daughters abilities so far. She was very happy at our preschool, and got along well with the other kids, even though she was a year younger than most. I have to add, neither her father nor myself are "gifted" either. We are smart and hard working, but I never taught myself to read. So I guess I don't have much idea what is in store.

BTW, she was just like your son as a baby. Very alert from the start. My mom claims that she was tracking the nurses with her eyes in the delivery room. She was a freakishly easy baby because all I needed to do was set her up on a blanket with a few books a toys and she could amuse herself for long periods of time.

What is IEP?
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:30 AM
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6. iep, individual education plan
federal law dictates that all students are entitled to an appropriate education. i admit that the rights of gifted kids have not usually been seen to be covered by this, although i think in some states, they are. it is usually used for kids with disabilities, or mental illness, or physical/health problems.
but any parent can ask for a 504 hearing, afaik. you will need expert testimony. you can get an independent psychologist to test her, although the schools usually require that their own people test her, as well. if you can afford it, i recommend it. it will be a lot more comprehensive, and include recommendations that must be given weight.

so, do the magnet programs not start until 3rd grade, then? how far is it from your home? my biggest problem with this route is the extra commute time, sometimes causing a shorter school day. and it makes it hard to be involved. and i would avoid things like "classical schools" or others that are based on the idea that they just need accelerated versions of the regular curriculum. they need choices, freedom, and fun. humorless task masters, blech.
my youngest kids are in a summer program at the local teachers college. it's called project 2006, (or whatever year) and they are completely hyped about it. it is funny. they are taking gothic film making, physics, chemist. this is the little one's third year, and her brother's second. the difference between this and regular school are just amazing.
if you can find a lab school, i think that is the best.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:35 PM
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7. This is the "Talent Development" program for our school district.
http://www.cms.k12.nc.us/programs/magnet/magnet.asp?PK_Category=11

One of the magnet elementary schools is reasonably close to our home and would not be too much of a struggle to attend. My understanding is that children are recommended for testing by their home school teachers. They test in second grade for attendance in third.

I am home full time right now, and don't intend to go back to work for more than 20 hours a week for some time, so I believe that I can make whatever schooling situation that is right for my kids work, up to and including home schooling. I will play it by ear for now. Thanks for the advice. Do you recommend any books?
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 04:07 PM
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9. It's my understanding that a 504 plan requires that the student
have a physical or emotional disability that is not one of the disability categories under IDEA for which a child could have an IEP.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 08:05 PM
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23. actually in my state, PA, kids who are gifted do have an IEP
it's interesting that some folks in the field see giftedness as dfferently abled. And they may be right. Kids who test in the gifted range often have a need for a very different learning structure.

I'm of two minds on this though, on one hand, I was a gifted child, read books early and was tested early, but it really didn't make much difference in my 60s Catholic school. When I went to the public school I had accelerated classes, but only in math and science. I always had good grades, and loved to read, and I don't think that attending a school only for gifted kids would have made any difference. But then, my IQ wasn't off the charts, like some gifted kids, who probably would benefit from a special curriculum and school setting.

At my son's small private progressive school, they often skip kids ahead if they are academically and socially ready. My son's best friend is three years ahead in math, and one year ahead overall. It seems to work well. The problem with the public schools is that they don't really have the flexibility to do this and it becomes very bureucratic. However, the regulation of the testing and gifted process may mean that more kids have the opportunity to move ahead. It seemed that when I was a student, there were a very limited amount of kids who had that chance.

It also may be that ALL kids should have the opportunity for creative, gifted styles of teaching.... :)
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:00 PM
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24. It is so confusing.
I have begun to research, and it is a fascinating subject.

Giftedness is a continuum. An IQ of 100 is normal, 130 is considered gifted, but there are people out there who test at 160+, which make the average gifted kid the same to them as kids in the normal range are to an average gifted kid.

The rule of thumb, as I understand it, is a gifted kid with an IQ of 130-145 can be accommodated in a regular classroom with acceleration and maybe the occasional grade skip. Over 145 and it is difficult, even with an obliging teacher.

Another complexity, not all kids are equally gifted in all areas. Some test normal in verbal, but my be off the charts in spatial or vice versa. Some have learning disabilities in addition to high IQs, so their giftedness may not even be noticed since they function in the average range.

Some gifted kids have a problem staying tuned into classrooms where the info is repetitive (at least to them) and end up tuning out completely and/or becoming a behavior problem. Something like 15% of drop-outs test gifted, and a similar number of kids in juvenile detention, incredibly high percentage since supposedly only 2% of the population is in the 130+ range.

I have my daughter in the local elementary. It is a good school, and the teacher and administration seem eager to work with me on accelerating her learning, but I do anticipate problems. My daughter is an amiable kid, eager to please. I doubt she will have behavior problems. I do foresee a kid who does what she needs to do to get by, doesn't work very hard for her A's and has a complete meltdown in college 'cause she never had to work hard before. Also, there is not a lot of incentive for the school to work hard to give her the best education, despite their good attitude. She will test well and doesn't give them any problems, so why rock the boat. And honestly, I could see myself getting complacent, too, and I need to be the one driving the school in the right direction.

I also have fears about the standardized testing that begins in 3rd grade. If I get her out of the local school and into the gifted charter school, I won't have to worry much about either. She will be a completely average kids there, and although they will take standardized tests, I doubt there will be much focus there. So two birds with one stone.

I absolutely agree that all kids should have the benefits of a creative, individualized education. If we backed off the standardized testing a little, this would be more of a reality, too.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 04:09 PM
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10. If your child isn't found to have a disability, then he or she cannot have
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 02:37 PM
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8. How dare you suggest that someone of a higher intellect has issues
or any problems in society whatsoever, and that they might have any kind of special needs or wants or should expect that anything different be done for them at all. If they have "sufferings", they're just whingers, since clearly everything in the world is handed to them on a golden platter at the expense of other children, so they have no right whatsoever to their feelings.

Shame on you!!

:sarcasm:
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 04:59 PM
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11. Gifted and tormented
When I was a kid I was talking at age 6 months(my sister and mother heard it and were shocked said I sounded like a munchkin,also I was supposed to not know how to roll over yet but when mom was the only one home and I was supposed to be asleep I would climb out of my crib and hit the floor.I did this several times so my father rigged a chicken wire cage over it.I spent some of my early years caged. In my backyard I had a wired fence area that was made of the same thing as the dog run next door.I was expected to be unmanageable and so I was. In my parents ignorance and stress(my home was abusive) they caged me for their convenience and told themselves it was for my safety. This theme would repeat in my life and it was one way people used to crush my mind and try to desensitize me.

Being a kid in the 70's in an abusive home was really hard for me,I was sensitive hideously creative and anti authoritarian. I never fit in anywhere because given enough time I'd piss somebody off,freak someone out or ask the question about the elephant in the living room.I was too curious,colorful ,creative ,charismatic and I knew too much.

Early on I was diagnosed ADD. I take adderall now.

In second grade I was sent to the school shrink for stabbing another bully kid with a fork in the back,he had been beating me up for 6 months and the teachers did nothing about it I told them they just turned away..So I lost it and stabbed the bully fucker with a fork in front of the entire cafeteria..That made my second grade teacher into a control freak.Rather than chastise her favorite who was also a bully she took her resentments out on me,shoot the messenger blame the victim.

She punished me for every little thing.I sat in a corner for the entire school day day in day out for three months for not bringing in my math book,to class.I didn't bring my book because my drunk father spilled his booze on it and I dried it out on the furnace but it smelled like booze and was warped and even ironing the pages and liberal use of lysol did not fix the stink.In fact it made it worse. I was embarrassed to bring it in and I also knew my father would beat my ass if I told anyone about how messed up our family was,I was in a serious double bind.. which nearly drove me insane.

One day ready to go psycho sitting the corner I got an idea to get out of the double bind. I got a small wicker purse. My father had brought me a rainbow parachute from the proving ground one day. I trimmed it so I could walk in it.Like a big flowing robe. I packed it into the small purse. I brought this to school the next day..After sitting in the corner for ten minutes, I asked to go to the bathroom . In the bathroom I put on the flowing robe. I sat back down in the corner.The teacher was blown away. She asked what I was I told her I was a flying rainbow. Why flying,I said because I don't want to be here anymore I want out. I don't like this world. I don't like it here, I wish I could go fly far away..and not be trapped in a room all day,fade out like a rainbow..
She was flustered and took me around to the other rooms to show off my outfit. The next day I didn't sit in the corner ever again.


The third grade teacher was worse than the second grade on,She let the bullies beat me in class as she sat at her desk as if nothing was happening.

My teacher in 4th grade was a goddess. She found out through a friend I knew since 2nd grade whom I still am buddies with now,that I was suicidal.After he talked to her himself about me,telling her he wanted to be my friend because he was scared I might die,(I had no clue he did this until years later). She took an interest in me.She found out I was bored stiff in class and I remember describing how I felt caged in class all day and wanted to be outside ,I told her I hated people picking on me.. She helped me,First she gave me individualized lesson plans, that were outside,and soon she started teaching class in the wooded picnic areas on sunny days,which made all the kids perform and feel better.She also tolerated no bullying in her class,no snide remarks,no domination,no bullshit at all out of the little conduct disordered monsters..She was blown away at how fast I went through her lessons,reading at above college level can do that,She gave me a gift on the last day of school a book about pond life which I still have..She knew I went to a pond near my house and got water samples looking for Euglenas,Paramecium and microscopic creatures. She knew I loved this stuff. What she wrote in the front page was so sweet it still makes me want to cry,I can barely read it.


Kids that are different who seem like a pain in the ass might just be tormented by the stuff other people think is normal or ok,Stuff that for most people in any social setting is invisible like air..Hyperactive kids might be very sensitive and dealing with traumas,in class or at home. For me school and home was indeed a prison of abuse and I do not enjoy class room settings or people much.I am very very wary. I read people characters fast if they smell wrong I stay the hell away. I prefer learning on my own because I don't like being fenced in my thoughts.I do not believe most people can't understand giftedness because they are not gifted themselves. It seems it's like someone who's blind from birth and unable to describe what purple is,but making green lines and insisting it must be purple and if anyone says otherwise they just cannot fathom they might not see it's green..

I don't think the parents of gifted kids intentionally mean harm,when they do stuff that hurts gifted kids,but they gotta realize the kid if they are in pain,feel pain.(unless they are abusive and that's a whole other ball of wax)but ignorance itself can harm a gifted kid. Ignorance that gets coupled with shame and inferiority drives some people who feel incompetent to compare themselves to gifted kids to blow off sensitized people,make excuses to not understand the other and rationalize how it's ok and how the world demands we all have stunted empathy to "make it" in the world.

I used to tell myself that was not true,but time and again I learned that it is true.So I am jaded and I don't trust anyone until they prove they can be trusted. I really carry alot of wounds..

I love the net,the net is a library that comes to me.I wish so bad there was one when I was younger. Also when a sensitive gifted kid is treated badly the scars run deep,the person hurting them may be simply oblivious their ribbing causes torment.Because they are not sensitized to it they don't feel it. And it is the way of this world the world demands you be callous tough skinned and compete,sell your soul to a dominator or die.if you are sensitized you must grow a thick skin or go insane. I went insane..
For a gifted kid it's a very thin line between abuse and pushing,abuse and jokes,abuse and encouraging.A sensitized kid has to feel safe and validated,to say what hurts and the caretaker has to trust the kid knows his own emotional limits.



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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:47 AM
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13. shit! i typed a long reply and lost it. damn i hate that.
ok, try again.
school administrators are still so stupid when it comes to the sensitivity of gifted kids. the principal at my kids school is pretty good. it is a big school, and she runs a tight ship. she deals pretty well with bullies, which i think is an issue that is seen in a much different light since columbine. and she is aggressive about abusive families, as well. but she is out to lunch on this one.
as i mentioned in my other post, but youngest had a problem with this math teacher. we had a conference. kid ended up in tears. the principal says she is a 7th grader, but she is a young 7th grader, a baby. now, that is utter bull. she is actually a lot more emotionally mature than a lot of adults i know. but she is sensitive. especially to jealousy, and especially to the extra helping of that dished out to girls. she will not outgrow it. it is part of who she is. it is common as mud for gifted kids. grrrr.
i feel for your upbringing, up. i am the child of an alcoholic as well. i had similar experiences to your math book story. and i also know about being close to some help, or some understanding, but having to keep the family secrets. somehow my mother managed to insist that we girls could not be beaten. (6 girls, one boy, right in the middle.) but nobody was going to tell him how to raise his son. so he got regular beatings, and passed them on down the line, especially to me.
i did not understand the tailspin that i went into when my dad died. after all, i hated him. but, after a while, i saw how much like him i was. and was grateful for the things that he gave me, including my genetic gifts. he did not want to be an ass. he probably did not know he was an ass. he was full of pain, and it went in all directions.
i am trying to grow up. hoping 52 is not too late. i know that the most important part of that is using my talents. i have a studio now, and it is my haven. the satisfaction of doing good work is the best balm there is.
take care, friend. you will make it.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 09:12 PM
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25. Beautiful paragraph:
My teacher in 4th grade was a goddess. She found out through a friend I knew since 2nd grade whom I still am buddies with now,that I was suicidal.After he talked to her himself about me,telling her he wanted to be my friend because he was scared I might die,(I had no clue he did this until years later). She took an interest in me.She found out I was bored stiff in class and I remember describing how I felt caged in class all day and wanted to be outside ,I told her I hated people picking on me.. She helped me,First she gave me individualized lesson plans, that were outside,and soon she started teaching class in the wooded picnic areas on sunny days,which made all the kids perform and feel better.She also tolerated no bullying in her class,no snide remarks,no domination,no bullshit at all out of the little conduct disordered monsters..She was blown away at how fast I went through her lessons,reading at above college level can do that,She gave me a gift on the last day of school a book about pond life which I still have..She knew I went to a pond near my house and got water samples looking for Euglenas,Paramecium and microscopic creatures. She knew I loved this stuff. What she wrote in the front page was so sweet it still makes me want to cry,I can barely read it.
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 05:05 PM
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12. Willing to help
I don't yet know of I'm the parent of a gifted child! My son is only 2, and baby #2 is still incubating!

However, I was a gifted child, with parents who were very aware of all its benefits and drawbacks, and therefore just plain raised me right! Plus, I have worked in the educational system with such students.

Therefore, I will be glad to give advice to anyone from my perspective, limited though it may be.
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 07:47 PM
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17. Here is a great resource for anyone new to this issue:
http://hoagiesgifted.org/

The woman who runs the site is very knowledgeable and so are the people and places she lists.

I have BTDT with a PG kid (tests over 180) so if anyone wants any info from that perspective, feel free to write. (Kid is now 17.)
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 01:19 PM
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20. One thing that many people forget about when their children are young is that if your
child skips a grade, or grades, it can be difficult socially to be so young, especially when you get to the high school years.

Our three daughters (two of whom received programs as "gifted and talented) started school in Indiana, which had set the cut-off birth date of June 1 to begin Kindergarten. As a result, since we've moved, our middle daughter is now one of the oldest kids in her senior class. Others her age had graduated last year. I cannot tell you how happy I am, for many reasons, that she did not go off to college last August, solely due to that cut-off date. Had we been living in New York, she would have started Kindergarten a year earlier.

It's just a great benefit, so be careful about leaping ahead grades-wise.

Just my two cents.
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