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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:30 AM
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Corned beef
I was perusing "Charcuterie", by Polcyn and Ruhlman, and I realized I had not tried the Corned Beef. So last weekend I bout a 5 lb flat brisket, made the pickling spice, made a brine and let it marry in the fridge until yesterday. I took it out, rinsed it well, returned it to the pot with water and more pickling spice. Simmered for 3 hours and served it sliced thin with cabbage and roasted peanut squash sprinkled with olive oil and garam marsala spice.

It was so tender you could cut it with a fork. It was salted just right and I do not like salty. The color was an intense reddish hue. Like uncooked but not. The cut of meat I bought was lean (grass fed) with a small fat cap that I left on until after I cooked it. I scraped it off and there was little fat left within the meat. What a inexpensive, easy way to savor something as the autumn presses onward into winter.

P.S. - We are having Ruben sandwiches for lunch today.:9

CORNED BEEF

The Pickling Spice
This makes more than you will need for the corned beef.
2 tablespoons each of the following:
black peppercorns
mustard seeds
coriander seeds
hot red pepper flakes
allspice berries
whole cloves

1 tablespoon ground mace
2 small cinnamon sticks, crushed or broken into pieces
24 bay leaves, crumbled
1 tablespoon ground ginger

1. Lightly toast the peppercorns, mustard seeds, and coriander seeds in a small dry pan, then lightly crack with the side of a knife or in a mortar and pestle.
2. Combine with the rest of remaining ingredients, mixing well. Store in a tightly sealed jar.

The Brine
1 gallon water
2 cups kosher salt
1/2 cup sugar
1 ounce pink salt
3 garlic cloves, minced
2 tablespoons Pickling Spice

1 5 lb beef brisket flat
2 tablespoons pickling spice

1. Combine all the brine ingredients in a non-corrosive pot large enough to hold the brisket. Bring to a simmer, stirring until the salt and sugar are dissolved. Remove from the heat and let cool to room temperature, then refrigerate until completely chilled.
2. Place the brisket in the brine and weight it down with a plate to keep it submerged. Refrigerate for 5 days.
3. Remove the brisket from the brine and rinse it thoroughly under cool running water. (Resting is not required here because the distribution of the brine will continue in the long, slow cooking process.)
4. Place the brisket in a pot just large enough to hold it and add enough water to cover the meat. Add the remaining 2 tablespoons pickling spice and bring to a boil, then reduce the heat, cover and simmer for 3 hours or until fork tender (there should always be enough water to cover the brisket; replenish the water if it get too low).
5. Remove the corned beef from the cooking liquid (which can be used to moisten the meat and vegetables, if that is what you're serving). Slice the beef and serve warm, or cool, then wrap and refrigerate until you're ready to serve, or for up to a week.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:20 AM
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1. Ooh, I'm adding that to my list!
That list would be called, "Things I want to try when I have some extra time".

Thanks! :hi:
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 01:30 PM
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2. I would assume you could also...
put it in your crockpot all day.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 02:18 PM
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3. Corned beef is one of my favorites
but I never considered doing it myself. When we used to buy it in the store, instead of boiling it, I would wrap it in a foil pouch topped with all the contents of the spice packet. It was delicious!

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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 06:06 PM
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4. The pickling spice is so aromatic
Like no spice packet I've ever had. The mace and cloves are heavenly to the nostrils.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:27 PM
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5. If you think home-corned beef is good, you ought to try
corned venison or corned oryx (an African antelope hunted in the White Sands Missle Range reserve). NO FAT. NONE.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 04:47 AM
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6. Deer season starts soon, so I may have to try that corned venison idea.
Thanks! :thumbsup:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 01:40 PM
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22. Do it. You will think you have died and gone to heaven.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 05:31 AM
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7. Kicking his thread because we *ATE* this recipe on Wednsday, and it's GREAT!
Edited on Sat Nov-29-08 05:45 AM by dicksteele
I prepared the spiced brine late last Saturday,
and used it to marinate a 3lb "End of Round" roast
that I found way back in the communal freezer.
Soaked it 5 days until Wednsday.

Wednsday, we dropped that roast into the Crock Pot,
covered it with fresh water and 2 TBS of the spice mix,
and slow cooked it until suppertime.

And then, at supper, a good time was had by all!

Most interesting: the spice mix and resultant brine
doesn't smell like "corned beef" at all, at least not to my nose.
But after 5 days soaking, and 5 hours slow-cooking, a really inexpensive
chunk of beef roast tasted like some of the BEST 'corned beef' I've ever had.


This recipe is a good one, folks. It's the REAL DEAL,
and I recommend it highly.

EDIT to add a P.S:
PS: I finished off the last few cold slices of leftover beef
in the wee hours of Thursday morning, and they were
just as good cold as that big steaming roast had been
when we first sliced it for supper.
DAMN, this is a good recipe!!!
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 07:54 AM
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8. Thanx for that reminder, dick.
I'll forgot all about it but I won't when I place my next coop order on Monday!

Hope all is going well as can be with you. :hi:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 10:46 PM
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18. "All" is very well with me at the moment.
Considering the circumstances, "all" is much better than might be expected.
I might even be tempted to say that things are going pretty darned well.

Thanks for asking- I hope that all is well with you and yours.
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 06:33 PM
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11. I'm so glad you enjoyed it.
I knew if anybody tried it just once, they would be hooked. Nothing so good should be so easy. We had this with cabbage last night and we are having ruben sandwiches for supper.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 10:41 PM
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17. You're right about that- I tried it once, & now I'm hooked!
I have my alarm set for 3:00AM tonight, because I'm driving up
to the Steele family homestead in Polecat Hollow PA tomorrow,
to go deer hunting for the first time in 15 years.

And I've got a jar full of that spice mix on hand,
waiting to marinate a big fresh hunk of lean, tender venison.

It's gonna be SOOOO tasty...:9
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 02:00 PM
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9. Would the "pink salt" be the same as Morton's Tender Quick, because
Edited on Sat Nov-29-08 02:00 PM by kestrel91316
that's what I use for MY home-corned meat?

I have corned my own venison and oryx, but have never tried it with a beef brisket, just bought the corned beef in the bag, but it's WAY too fatty for my tastes.

Fat-free corned game meats are to die for, BTW.
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 06:30 PM
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10. Definition of "pink salt"
Edited on Sat Nov-29-08 06:51 PM by sazemisery
Whatever the brand name (Insta Cure #1, DQ Curing Salt, etc.) it should be 93.75% salt and 6.25% nitrite. Morton's Tender Quick has both sodium nitrite and sodium nitrate plus salt and sugar, so it is a cure mix and could not be used in the corned beef recipe.

You can get "pink salt" here:

http://www.butcher-packer.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=237_12

Butcher-Packer is a great site.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 08:56 PM
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12. Hm.........well I have made excellent corned meats with Morton's, lol,
FWIW.
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 08:05 AM
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13. That is because it is a complete cure mix...
whereas "pink salt" is only one component. I have no doubt it makes for a great cure. I was just pointing out that it cannot be used in the recipe here.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 09:11 AM
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14. What would happen
if I followed the entire recipe and left that ingredient out? I hate the thought of adding yet another ingredient to my cabinet when it will have such limited use. Or are there other things you'd use it for specifically?
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 09:34 AM
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15. What would happen..
if I just mailed you enough pink salt to tide you over? I have plenty 'cause I buy it in bulk 'cause I make a lot of bacon, pancetta and corned beef to give as gifts. PM me your addy and I will gladly send some your way.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:16 PM
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16. How 'bout if
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 01:19 PM by hippywife
we meet in Okmulgee on a Saturday or Sunday nicer than today. These winds make me absolutely batshit crazy!!

I could trade you a pound of chestnuts I bought from the coop. I bought two pounds and we took a pound to friends' house for a dinner get together last night. It was the first time I had ever tried roasted chestnuts and I was underwhelmed. Maybe it's all the hype they get from everyone, but I was expecting something fantastic and they were okay but...meh.

If you like chestnuts, that is. :)
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 12:36 AM
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19. KICKing this thread again, because I just put a fresh venison roast in brine this evening.
Brought the deer home wednsday; let it hang outside
to age until this afternoon, and the first roast I carved off
went right into that spice-mix brine.

The centerpiece of Friday night supper will be "Corned venison"! :9
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:30 PM
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20. Congrats on your hunting.
Can't wait to hear how it turns out. My son does a lot of deer hunting and is always looking for new ways to cook it.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 11:49 PM
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21. Thank you. (I really can't take credit) One thing I should mention about the "corned venison"...
Seriously, bagging that deer was not due to any great
hunting skills or feats of marksmanship on my part.
It was just a "right place at the right time" situation, KnowhutImean?

Anyway, what I wanted to mention was that the corned venison
seemed to SHRINK when cooked, so folks should be aware of that.
It was small when I put it in the brine, because I didn't want
to risk too much meat on a first-time experiment...but it had
gone from small to TINY by the time it came out of the communal
slow-cooker.

We ate that first corned venison roast on Friday, and all the housemates
agreed that it was amazingly good. Which made it a bigger shame
that they each only got a piece the size of a McDonald's burger. :(

I'm about to go up and put the BIG venison roast in brine for Saturday's supper.
It's about 6lbs of rear haunch with the bone carved out- shrinkage or no,
there'll be enough to go around this time!:9

Oh, another thing worth mentioning: On a venison roast, some of the
muscle groups are wrapped in that tough silvery sinew casing, and
I was concerned that it might affect this recipe...

It didn't.
If any of you use this recipe for venison, don't waste
your time worrying about that casing. The brine flavor goes right
through it, and after brining and slow-cooking it softens/dissolves
until it's not an issue with the finished product.


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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 08:17 PM
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23. Kicking this back up
coz I ordered a 5 lb. black angus brisket from the coop today from my favorite meat producer. Gonna have corned beef for St. Paddy's Day. :9
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 08:36 PM
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24. Thank sazemisery! I find most commercially corned beef to be too salty for my liking.
Off to find a good flat cut brisket...
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 10:56 PM
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25. I confess I've never really had good corned beef

It's not honestly on the top of my normal list for ordering, and if I can get GOOD pastrami I'll pick that over the corned beef every time.

But it's not far from St. Pat's day, so all thoughts turn to green beer and corned beef.

Maybe I'll see if I can find a good place that makes it, and then I can see what it's really like. If you know anyplace in the north-of-Boston metro area (preferably New Hampshire), let me know. It'll be two days before I go in for surgery, so I get one last chance to clog my arteries.

Although, if I really wanted to clog my arteries (and, actually, they're pretty clear) I'd be going to this place: http://www.heartattackgrill.com/

Thankfully I'm nowhere near Arizona, but maybe HippyWife can check it out for me. :)
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:16 AM
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26. Today, I pick up the last two spices,
the allspice berries and the mace. I'm thinking of starting it on Sunday (it still has to thaw) and letting it sit one extra day in the brine, and cooking it next Saturday. I've seen recipes that allow it to sit for 10 days, and even tho this one calls for five, I'm thinking one day over should be okay.
Any thoughts?
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:24 AM
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27. What does the brisket weigh?
If it is around 5 lbs, it would be good for 7 days for sure. I think the recipes that call for 10 days are using a heavier piece of meat.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:26 AM
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28. It is just over five pounds.
I just never visualized it being that huge! My stock pot is big enough, but I wanted to put it in my crockpot to actually cook it so I'll have to cut it in half after I brine it.
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:47 AM
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29. It will shrink a lot when you cook it. n/t
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:51 AM
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30. It probably will
but there's no way I'll be getting this thing in the crockpot initially, and I don't want to waste the propane by cooking it so long on the stove top.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:03 PM
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31. After one false start
where I missed getting some of the ingredients in the brine Monday night and had to dump it and start all over (when I was really tired and cranky- I should never force myself to do things when I'm in that mood! :eyes: ) I finally got my brisket soaking in it in the fridge this morning.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:48 PM
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32. The brisket is now in the crockpot
submerged in water with two tablespoons of the pickling spice. Gonna let it cook through the night and take it out early enough for it too cool so I can put it in the fridge before I have to leave for work.
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:49 PM
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33. Yeah! Mission accomplished. n/t
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:53 PM
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34. Almost!
I'm dying to taste it. So is Bill. And I know Wes is waiting to hear how it turns out. :hi:
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 06:57 AM
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35. I got up this morning at 3:00
and pulled the crock out and sat it on the counter to cool off for a while. It came out beautifully. A little too spicy heat-wise. I think the next time I'll back off on the red pepper flake just a wee bit from the 2T that are in the recipe.

Thanx for posting this, J. I never would have thought to try this otherwise. :hi:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 10:01 PM
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36. Call the Pope and charge me with 'necromancy', because I'm KICKING this dead thread back to the top.
I made this Corned Beef again this week, and it's still just the BEST.

This time, I made twice as much as needed to feed the house;
the leftover half is in the fridge. I'm going to bake a loaf
of rye bread on Tuesday and declare "Reuben Sandwich Night". :9
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 10:49 AM
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37. Home-corned meat is the ONLY way to go.
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 01:15 PM
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38. So glad you like this.
I was surprised to see this brought back to the top. I fix it continuously as both sons (living in different parts of the state) crave it and will come home to pick it up. I have tried to show them how easy it is but you know how that goes.
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BarbaRosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 04:51 PM
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39. Wow, thank you
Edited on Sat Aug-15-09 04:52 PM by BarbaRosa
I have been thinking about pastrami, which if I read it correctly is smoked corned beef. .....Is it?
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