Just one reason I use Camino instead of Safari...

[Pierre.Suave]

Here is the MacConnection Macbook page in Camino:



and here is the same page in Safari:

[47of74]

1. I use Firefox myself...

I use Firefox as my browser. I prefer it over Safari - it's what I used when I was over on the PC side and wanted to keep going with it on Macintosh.

[Pierre.Suave]

2. Sorry but...

Firefox is crap on the Mac, Safari is SOOO much better, as is Camino...

[Ezlivin]

3. That's a text size issue

If you decrease your text size on Safari (CMD - or "View > Make Text Smaller) the page will render as intended.

Note how on Safari the phrase "Apple Computer" does not display on one line, but on Camino it does.

Many "broken" layouts can be "repaired" simply by altering your displayed text size.

The reason that problems like this exist is that text displays larger on a PC than on a Mac. For instance a 12pt font on the Mac appears as 14pt on a PC. Since the majority of users are viewing sites with PCs most web designers make the text display smaller (and that is why the text appears so damned tiny on many sites when visited with a Mac).

[Pierre.Suave]

4. My text size has never been changed

and even if it is a website designed for PC viewing, then there is still the matter of Camino rendering it properly while Safari does not.

[Ezlivin]

5. So you want Safari to display it like this?

[Ezlivin]

6. Safari displays fonts a bit bigger than Camino

Font sizes also vary between browsers on the same OS.

Watch the animated GIF below and you'll see that Camino displays its text just a bit smaller than Safari. When you decrease the text size (as I did above) the layout no longer "breaks."



If you'll notice, the text size for the menu in the left side-column does NOT vary in size between Camino and Safari. This means that whoever did the CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) for the HTML probably chose the wrong parameter for text size on the right-column.

[Pierre.Suave]

7. I think you are missing my point

to see the page properly in Camino, I have to do nothing. To do it in Safari, I would have to manually change the size of the text.

See why I like Camino?

[Ezlivin]

8. Well, okay, but

You made the point that you prefer Camino over Safari because of a page layout issue. The reason you chose Camino was ostensibly because of such display problems.

I showed you the reason for the difference and how to correct it.

Now you can surf with Safari and you know how to correct the "problem" with an easy "CMD -" keystroke. If you wish to use Safari in the future (for instance, on another computer that doesn't have Camino) you are now equipped with the knowledge to adjust it for the aforementioned display problem.

[elocs]

9. I had previously used just Camino, but I am using Safari more now.

I watch network online video that will not work with Camino. In DU I have clicked on a YouTube video that will not play on Camino, but will with Safari. I have had pages that will not load with Camino, but will with Safari, so I am using Safari more than ever now.

[struggle4progress]

10. Looks fine in Firefox. Looks fine in Shiira. Looks fine in Cruz.

Looks fine in iCab, though (when I asked) iCab gave me a long list of html parse errors. Looks fine in Sunrise. Looks fine in Flock. Looks fine in Camino. Looks fine in SeaMonkey. Looks fine in Devonagent. Looks fine in Opera, though i had to turn on images for the webpage (since I use Opera with images off by default). Looks fine in Safari, for that matter.

I'm not sure why you get the weird text problem. Is all your software up to date?

[struggle4progress]

11. OK: I found a webpage where Camino appears to render better than Opera

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-6457383-1.html

the red insert text "Kevin Finisterre has started a public dialogue &c&c" overlaps some main article text, regardless of whether I instruct Opera to self-identify to the website as Opera, Firefox, or IE. Firefox itself doesn't make the mistake. I don't run IE on this machine so can't test it

But: Camino, Cruz, iCab, OmniWeb, Safari, SeaMonkey, Shiira, & Sunrise get it right

iCab notes a number of html errors on the page no matter what version of HTML or XHTML it checks against: but iCab almost always reports a number of such errors