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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 10:43 AM
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Cold fusion re-re-redux
This story was discussed here back in May. At the time, some arguments against noted that no patent existed. Italy has patented a device of some kind. Details are apparently available on request, and an American start-up has acquired domestic distribution rights.


Italian patent application MI2008A000629, filed on April 9, 2008.

Italian Patent No. 1387256 granted on April 6, 2011, expiring on April 9, 2028.

* International patent application (except the U.S.) under the PCT procedure: PCT/IT2008/000532, filed on August 4, 2008.

PCT: International Search Report, October 9, 2010.

PCT: International Preliminary Report on Patentability, October 9, 2010.

* U.S. patent application US2011/0005506 A1, filed on August 4, 2009.

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Patent claims in the granted Italian patent (according to Rossi). The claims are the same as in International Preliminary Report on Patentability:

1. A method for carrying out an exothermal reaction of nickel and hydrogen, characterized in that said method comprises the steps of providing a metal tube, introducing onto said metal tube a nanometric particle nickel powder and injecting into said metal tube a hydrogen gas having a temperature much greater than 150°C and a pressure much greater than 2 bars.

2. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that said hydrogen temperature varies in a range from 150°C to 500°C.

3. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that said nickel powder is a nickel isotope powder.

4. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that said hydrogen is injected into said tube under pulsating pressure.

5. A method according to claims 1 and 2, characterized in that said hydrogen temperature is a variable temperature which varies in said range from 150°C to 500°C.

6. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that said metal tube is a copper metal tube.

7. A modular apparatus for providing a exothermal reaction by carrying out a method according to claim 1 , characterized in that said apparatus comprises a metal tube (2) including a nanometric particle nickel powder (3) and a high temperature and pressure hydrogen gas.

8. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that in said method catalyze materials are used.

9. An apparatus method according to claim 7, characterized in that in said nickel powder filled metal tube (2) is a copper tube, said copper tube further including at least a heating electrical resistance, said tube being encompassed by a jacket (7) including either water or boron or only boron, said jacket (7) being encompassed by further lead jacket (8) in turn optionally encompassed by a steel layer (9), said jackets (7, 8) being adapted to prevent radiations emitted from said copper tube (2) from exiting said copper tube (2), thereby also transforming said radiations into thermal energy.

10. An apparatus according to claim 1, characterized in that in said apparatus comprises, encompassing said nickel powder, hydrogen and electric resistance (101) containing copper tube (100) a first steel-boron armored construction (102) encompassed by a second lead armored construction (103) for protecting said copper tube (100), a hydrogen bottle connection assembly (106) and a hydrogen bottle (107), said apparatus further comprising, outside of said lead armored construction (103), a cooling water steel outer pipe assembly (105).



http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3173090.ece
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 10:50 AM
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1. Patent without a working model - Free Trade Rip Off
This is how a company in Spain retained the patent rights to computer controlled machines here in the United States
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 12:36 PM
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2. demonstration was monitored by independent scientific representatives of Bologna University
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer

hehe. man, I wish I had gotten my B.S. from the University of Bologna! :)
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 09:30 AM
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4. Agreed.
A plaque saying that would look good on my wall, too!
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DetlefK Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 05:41 AM
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3. As I said back then: Show me proof of some excess radioactivity.
Hey buddy, spare some gamma-particles?
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 09:38 AM
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5. Assuming the claims are accurate...
... I still see no analysis regarding the energy gain over the energy costs of creating the nickel powder and hydrogen gas. Hydrogen, while abundant, isn't found 'free' in nature. It has to be split out of some other substance, a process that consumes energy. I assume something similar is the case with nickel as well.

So, does this process produce enough energy to supply the energy costs of supplying itself with 'fuel', with some left over for lighting light bulbs and running microwave ovens? If so, we have a new source of power. If not, this is just a new way of obtaining copper, which can be had cheaper by mining it.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 11:33 AM
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6. Isn't the catch
with the fusion plants being that size counts for efficiency and productivity? The only other form which has no current working mechanism is chemical cold fusion? Compared to cures for cancer the reward and promise of current technology would seem to warrant irresistible publicity. You would sense that somewhere in the great silent divide that the whole thing is relegated to the crackpot or unattainable stage. Is it? Meanwhile fission, forced out of scared regulatory big countries, marches on into places that would harbor the currently untrustworthy implementation scams in the most dangerous ways known to science.

In May the dismaying conclusion was almost a shrug by the energy community, scientists included, that few even understood the fusion process or solutions. Quantum computers march on at a steadier pace it would sometimes seem.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 11:51 AM
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7. It all seems rather vague
But there's apparently just enough there to keep serious (semi-serious?) people pecking away at it.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:40 AM
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8. Something is wrong
when I can think I understand(probably not) an article about quantum computers and not the physical mechanics of controlled fusion reactors.
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