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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:24 PM
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Wild Justice, The Moral lives of Animals
SOME years ago, while working on a story about the biology of behaviour, I visited a hyena research colony in California. I was quickly charmed by the hyenas, with their big, dark eyes and goofy play habits. I was also charmed by the hyena researchers, who were optimistically pressing the Walt Disney Company to change the sneaking, duplicitous depiction of hyenas in its Lion King movies.

As anyone who's watched those movies knows (as a mother of boys, I have many times), the researchers did not win that campaign. And as evolutionary biologist Marc Bekoff and bioethicist Jessica Pierce note in their eloquently argued book, hyena researchers have not even managed to convince the majority of their own community. When the researchers have tried to publish their work on cooperative hyenas, they've run into trouble, because their peers "were convinced that hyenas simply couldn't behave in such ways".

Wild Justice makes a compelling argument for open-mindedness regarding non-human animals. It also argues that social behaviours such as cooperation provide evidence for a sophisticated animal consciousness. In particular, the authors propose that other animal species possess empathy, compassion and a sense of justice - in other words, a moral code not unlike our own.

Their definition of morality is a strongly Darwinian one. They see moral actions as dictated by the behavioural code of social species, the communal operating instructions that bond a group safely together, the "social glue" of survival. They believe such codes are necessarily species-specific and warn against, for instance, judging wolf morals by the standards of monkeys, dolphins or humans.

Still, a "moral" decision can seem remarkably similar across many species. Bekoff and Pierce make their case by calling on a wide range of animal studies, from field biology to the laboratory and from the anecdotal to the statistical. In one lab study of Diana monkeys, for instance, the animals had to put tokens into a slot to receive their food. When an elderly female couldn't manage hers, a neighbouring male inserted the tokens for her. In a different kind of experiment, rats refused to push a lever for food when they realised their action meant another animal got an electric shock.

Bekoff and Pierce have a larger goal than simply telling nice animal stories or even describing a kind of biological morality. They also hope to persuade readers that humans aren't so different from our fellow voyagers on planet Earth. These moral behaviours, they argue, are evidence of a kind of evolutionary continuity between humans and other species. This, they acknowledge, may be an even harder sell than the notion of a cooperative hyena. "Many people are uncomfortable with the idea of ascribing morality to animals because it seems to threaten the uniqueness of humans," they write.

The authors call for more research into animal morality, and ask us to respect the capabilities of other animals in the meantime. I think they've hit the right note here in trying to further discussion of a provocative thesis. My only complaint is that the book is overly careful. The authors try too hard to keep their conclusions non-threatening. I wish they'd attempted to answer that tricky question that nags at me whenever I study a captive animal. As I stand on the unrestricted side of a fence watching a hyena, and it watches me back with deep, wary eyes, which one of us is really the moral animal?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227071.400-review-wild-justice-by-mark-bekoff-and-jessica-pierce.html
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:27 PM
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1. recommend
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:34 PM
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2. Fascinating!
Anyone who's been around animals wouldn't doubt their morality.

This is very enlightening considering some Republicans would like to sell altruism as a sign of weakness. This study proves they're going against nature and evolution with their belief, to a really shitty form of Social Darwinism, not unlike what Hitler and his cohorts believed.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:49 PM
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3. Some say, only humans have souls
"Many people are uncomfortable with the idea of ascribing morality to animals because it seems to threaten the uniqueness of humans,"

Some say you have to be Baptized or whatever other ceremony that makes you special.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:12 PM
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5. I have never felt they weren't soulful. everytime my dog looks at
me and defends me against bigger enemies, I know God loves them as much if not more than me. I know they have souls and morals. They have been, animals, my best teachers.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:30 PM
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8. Even wild animals show concern
Edited on Mon May-18-09 04:07 PM by formercia
There's a family of Crows that I feed on occasion. The other day, I wasn't feeling well and lay down on the walk for a rest. The flock, seeing me in this unusual situation, flew to a nearby branch and began jabbering among themselves. Some of their chatter sounded 'concerned'. I really do think they were worried that I might be injured.

On edit:

I'm probably wrong. They were probably deciding among themselves as to who gets the choicest bits.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 03:39 PM
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15. I have blue jays that sit on the back of my deck chairs staring at themselves
in the window and commenting about it like old ladies on a park bench. I love jays. :)
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:39 PM
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9. Any species that treats other species the way humans treat the rest of life on Earth,
is hardly qualified to judge who has a soul or not.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:09 PM
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4. I've always adored hyenas
And anyone who thinks morality isn't an evolutionary perk is someone who understands neither morals nor evolution.

As an aside, the spotted hyena is a prime example of why evolution is right, and intelligent design is wrong. The females of the species give birth through their clitoris. Allow me to say that again, just to make sure everyone understands, through their clitoris. The birth canal makes a right turn and passes through a pseudopenis made of the hyena's clitoris and labia minora, which ruptures damn near every time the animal gives birth. The young hyenas are born with teeth and a serious case of aggression, and will often end up killing each other in the den. All together, this results in the spotted hyena having a very high infant and maternal mortality rate, far outpacing the other three hyena species.

An intelligent designer would not have made a hyena like this. The female spotted hyena has some need to be large and aggressive, but this could have been achieved by any number of less dangerous, more effective means. Instead, they're practically male in every respect except the uterus. The sex life of the spotted hyena (did I mention the tube inverts into the vagina during mating? I bet that's an odd sensation) is something that could have only come about by mutation and natural selection's dollowing the path of least resistance
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:36 PM
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6. My dog is the most empathetic being I know.
Edited on Mon May-18-09 02:36 PM by tridim
All you have to do is look at her eyes and it's obvious.

She even empathizes with the cat.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:19 PM
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7. Of course animals have morality. Where do you think we got it from?
What, you think it was carved into stone tablets by some middle-eastern desert god?
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:33 PM
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10. "The expression of the emotions in man and animals" ... by Charles Darwin, no less.
The man who gained infamy for "demoting" man from divine creature in the image of God to highly evolved ape also "promoted" animals to the status of conscious, emotive beings.

http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/DarExpr.html
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 01:15 AM
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11. they be our brothers and sisters
Edited on Tue May-19-09 01:18 AM by undergroundpanther
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 08:37 AM
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12. People need to take care with this kind of anthropomorposizing
While animals clearly have "morals" that aren't the sort that humans have. Watch a killer whale throw around a sea lion ALIVE that it intends to eat...watch a cat play with its kill...To us they look particularly cruel. But they have their purpose. Just as the behaviors we label as "kind compassionate and moral" have their uses. Its generally about helping your genes pass on. The selfish gene is a REALLY good book on this topic.
I want to know, if we are so eager to attribute the good behaviors of people to animals, why don't we acknowledge the bad behaviors? The cruelty I alluded to before. Cheating on a monogamous mate. Forced copulation that looks a lot like rape to an outsider. Stealing, incest...infanticide all of which is highly documented in animal populations...And the Hyena's cited here..they have VERY cruel behavior patterns..Study their interactions with Lions sometime.
This is why this calling animals moral is a slippery slope. You can find just as vile behavior in the animal kingdom as in the human world and yet, studies like this conveniently ignore those facts.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:36 AM
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13. You seem to have overlooked something
The bad behaviours of people have *always* been applied to other creatures
whereas the good behaviours have always tended to be pooh-poohed by people
(like you) who put humans as "something other than animals".
(e.g., "He behaved like an absolute animal when he raped her.")

> This is why this calling animals moral is a slippery slope.

There is no slippery slope. The same behaviours that are "moral" in humans
are "moral" in animals. The same behaviours that are "immoral" (or "amoral")
in animals are "immoral" (or "amoral") in humans. The only slippery slope
is the one that certain groups adopt in pretending that homo sapiens is a
magical singularity and so can play by different rules.

Humans are just another species of animal - nothing exceptional, nothing
"higher" - even though *some* humans have specialised talents, the basic
creature is just another creature.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:41 AM
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14. Thank you
what a great post!
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