Is there life after death?

[centristgrandpa]

(source quote) “It is especially important when asking whether you can prove life after death. To think it depends on what kinds of proof you will accept. It cannot be proved like a theorem in Euclidean geometry; nor can it be observed, like a virus. For the existence of life after death is not on the one hand a logical tautology: its contradiction does not entail a contradiction, as a Euclidean theorem does. On the other hand, it cannot be empirically proved or disproved (at least before death) simply because by definition all experience before death is experience of life before death, not life after death.”

Observing the natural world, there is comfort knowing nature does not waste life’s collective energy. The amazing recycling process of nature in my opinion infers this hope. The liveliness of our soul must operate like the dark matter of our universe, absorbing itself (soul) into the Cosmos like raindrops falling into the ocean. This amalgamate is an unconscious means of access into the timeless body of space. This is what I believe, based on these assumptions, what happens after life on earth? I’m quite curious to read your reply.

[CrispyQ]

1. Did you ever see the series "Six Feet Under"?

The dead father once said, "Life is wasted on the living." ;) I don't know how old you are, but as you get older, you'll have an inkling of the feeling in that phrase.

I tend to believe that the time we have on this planet is it, which makes every moment more precious than you can imagine. It's so easy to waste moments in the past or the future, as this moment slips by.

"Time is the essence of our lives." ~inscribed on a sundial at the beginning of "Gone With the Wind"

A fascinating afterlife story is "The Riverworld."

[monmouth]

2. When you're dead, you're dead....My theorum....n/t

[centristgrandpa]

6. something more than...

Could not agree more but...

[centristgrandpa]

5. SFU, another great series from HBO...

I thought six feet under was an excellent HBO series especially the last episode and how they chronicle each character, one of the best ending to a great series. Having raised my children and being a grandparent is such an extension of "everyday is a new day" life style. The book "the way of zen" by Allen Watts was the frame work that help me spiritually. When time permits, I shall watch the movie "riverworld"... thanks...to your fathers quote and i say this with respect, life is the building block and foundation to the here after.

[sui generis]

3. Of course there's life after death

but is there consciousness after death? If there is, is it on the same time scale and meter that ours is? Is there life during dreamless sleep?

:think:

most of our motivations come from one of the 4 F's, Fighting, Fleeing, Feeding, and Fucking. If you or your biochemisstry no longer need any of those, then who or what is there left for you to be? Is the you that you are really as important as you think?

I personally think that life goes on. We're just another set of eyeballs that this planet coughed up for a little while, to look around, report back, manage things for a while and then retire. If the planet has any soul at all, then we are the billions of eyes that are the window to it.

[centristgrandpa]

7. there is...

I believe that the journey (metaphorically specking)is an unconscious blend into the Cosmos. When the mind goes, the body follows shortly. My belief is, one must do the necessary homework to instill an honest compassionate spirit that truly defines each persons place on earth. To learn as much about the wonders of life and apply those learnt experience daily.:hug:

[patrice]

4. The world is not the same world it would have been if YOU had not been you.

The physical universe is affected by all things physical. Your particular consciousness, who you are, what you do, how you think, is thus passed on to the world after you are "gone".

As it is said somewhere in the Rig Veda, "Gone, Gone, Gone Beyond, Gone Beyond Beyond. HAIL the Goer!"

[centristgrandpa]

8. not all gone...

I must agree with you, the cycle of nature does not waste energy, no matter how small or large. recycling is an understatement...

[patrice]

18. Yes. That's one of the reasons I like that line from the Rig Veda. It ends with

"Hail" the goer - a greeting.

Also:

A rough translation of one of the main Vedic chants, "Om namah Shivaya", is "May the principles of the universe be manifested in fullness in me."

[qazplm]

9. No.

Well, almost unequivocally no.

Actually, probably no.

Heck, I have no idea.

Joking aside, I think probably no, but boy that's a scary thought so I certainly hope yes.

[centristgrandpa]

11. maybe yes

me too!

[phantom power]

10. topic for the religion forum, not the science forum

[centristgrandpa]

12. easy for you to say...

Cosmos has nothing to do with faith...:eyes:

[phantom power]

14. Well, I do agree...

it is easy for me to say.

[anigbrowl]

31. I think it's a legitimate scientific question

The contention that there is is unfalsifiable, but on the other hand one could devise an experiment to test the idea...though the lack of evidence so far suggests that either there is not, or that if there is, it takes place in some inaccessible dimension.

[joshcryer]

35. The problem is that the test would invalidate it, since you're working with two different extremes.

One side is alive, the other side is not. If you bring something back to life, it is not dead, and any sort of recollection of the fact is gone.

There is of course "Quantum Metaphysics," but I do believe it doesn't belong in this forum (because it uses unfalsifable claims).

[RagAss]

13. We create time to extend in time and space, therefore what we are is outside

of time and space. No birth and no death. No me and no you. Just the further dimension trying to "see" itself.

[centristgrandpa]

16. event horizon...

A thought provoking perspective...Steven hawkins predicts that information is not lost at the event horizon of a black hole, if this is a valid, life after death in my opinion share the same interaction process...thank you...

[miyazaki]

15. The best and only example that I believe life or some

type of conscious exists after death is the simple fact that you are alive now. If it happens
this one time that we are aware of, why couldn't it happen again in some other time and space.
Those that are yet unborn come into our world's realization at some point, yet at the moment they
exist not.

[centristgrandpa]

17. the paradox of virtual shadows...

Quite compelling, do you believe in reincarnation? The intriguing complexity of dimensional zones has always been a favorite topic that deserves more debate. I sense that life on earth is a one way journey but what you write is possible too.

http://www.ccmr.cornell.edu/education/ask/index.html?quid=961

[Orsino]

19. Backwards question.

Start with an empirical observation, then come up with a label. The nature of your measurement ought to suggest a sensible nomenclature.

[centristgrandpa]

20. label less...

Are you suggesting that i go religious in a Cosmos setting?

[Orsino]

23. I suggested nothing religious.

Leaping for a label before even describing coherently the phenomenon under consideration might count as religious thinking.

[centristgrandpa]

26. fun thinking...

I subscribe to the same notion that GreenPartyVoter wrote, nothing incoherent, just a vivid imagination...

[Phoonzang]

21. No idea.....I really hope so

First of all, I find the idea of non-existence terrifying on a personal level. Secondly, if there's not some way to appreciate your life's work after yo die, I really don't see the point of anything we do. Oh I know the arguments that we're trying to make life better for future generations and whatnot, but really...they're all going to die too. Eventually the entire human race will die and everything we've ever done won't matter a bit because there will be no one around to appreciate it. Any aliens that are around to benefit from our lives and thoughts will die as well. Or something like that....

[qazplm]

22. eventually

the whole universe will, probably, die a heat-death, or even if a new big bang happens all that went before is erased so yes it does create a whole nothing at all matters situation if there is no life after death.

Which may be the unfortunate reality of things, but I'd guess it's best not to actually act on that reality, even if it's the truth.

[joshcryer]

34. From our current understanding, yeah, thermodynamics are a one way street.

But we don't, and may not for quite some time, have a full picture of the universe. There's still nothing precluding it from being eternal and continually replenished, and some, granted faithful, believe that to be the case. We'll have to see where the evidence leads.

[FiveGoodMen]

25. "I find the idea of non-existence terrifying on a personal level"

Really?

Because you didn't exist for billions of years.

Was it really that bad?

[Phoonzang]

28. No, but I do now.

I rather like existing now. Sure it wouldn't bother me to not exist, because I wouldn't exist. But it bothers me now.

[centristgrandpa]

29. proud to be alive now...

theres that little tingling feeling that agrees with you...:beer:

[joshcryer]

33. The idea of eternal darkness and blackness is far more terrifying than non-existance.

Non-existance is actually quite comforting, not that I want to go anywhere. I think we're in the right time period to live for quite a long time (if not until heat death in some form or another).

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. I feel like you do. We get absorbed back into the universe, body, energy, whatever.

[centristgrandpa]

27. kudos..

Could not agree more, thanks....

[Vidar]

30. One way to find out, but you can't replicate it.

[centristgrandpa]

32. he magic man...

Not even Houdini could give his wife any indicators that one could communicate to earthlings in the here after...

[bananas]

36. Andy Kaufman did. nt