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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:57 PM
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Antievolution bill dead in Iowa
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 09:57 PM by struggle4progress
House File 183, the so-called Evolution Academic Freedom Act, died in committee in the Iowa House of Representatives on March 13, 2009. The bill purported to protect the right of teachers in the state's public schools and instructors in the state's public community colleges and state universities to "objectively present scientific information relevant to the full range of scientific views regarding biological and chemical evolution in connection with teaching any prescribed curriculum regarding chemical or biological evolution," providing that they "shall not be disciplined, denied tenure, terminated, or otherwise discriminated against" for doing so. Also, the bill added, although students "shall be evaluated based upon their understanding of course materials through standard testing procedures," they "shall not be penalized for subscribing to a particular position or view regarding biological or chemical evolution ... http://ncseweb.org/news/2009/03/antievolution-bill-dead-iowa-004653

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Profs protest alternative evolution teaching
Brian Morelli • Iowa City Press-Citizen • February 26, 2009

Professors around Iowa are rallying against a piece of state legislation that supports alternative teaching of evolution, such as creationism, as a scientific view ... The bill maintains that alternate theories on evolution fall under academic freedom, which should be protected for teachers and students that want to present such theories as scientific views in the classroom ... http://www.press-citizen.com/article/20090226/NEWS01/90226004/1079
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:08 PM
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1. Good. Nice to see sense prevail.
that morons are still trying this shit...:grr:
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:38 PM
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2. You know, the wording of the bill itself isn't bad...
"objectively present SCIENTIFIC information relevant to the full range of SCIENTIFIC views regarding biological and chemical evolution in connection with teaching any prescribed curriculum regarding chemical or biological evolution,"

There is, flat-out, NOTHING scientific about ID / Creationism. Nothing. Therefor this bill, if taken as written, would actually exclude those theories.

Of course that would be redundant, wasting legislative time. So... Yeah. Dead bill.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:05 PM
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3. Except it allows IDers/creationists to get a free pass
Students "shall not be penalized for subscribing to a particular position or view regarding biological or chemical evolution," meaning the law would forbid a teacher from saying "Uhh, no" if a student denied evolution so long as they prefixed it with the whole "it's my personal belief!" defense.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:40 PM
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5. No, they're penalized for having the wrong answer
They can subscribe to whatever they want, but if the answer is X, the answer is X. I'm a religious person myself. But I'm not going to pretend that saying the tectonic forces of the earth are caused by angry spirits is going to be the right answer in a classroom.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:12 AM
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6. That law would've disagreed with you (nt)
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:16 PM
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4. I'm glad to see natural selection is killing off stupid bills. nt
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:26 AM
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7. By my reading, teachers could circumvent this
Edited on Tue Mar-17-09 12:28 AM by BadgerKid
by prefacing the test question by something like "According to the chemical/biological theory of evolution,..." I don't understand how the testing of students' understanding of the material taught is a personal challenge of their belief.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:10 AM
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9. If you're of the "exposure to 'evil' = temptation" school of thought it would
There's plenty of people these days who think mere exposure to differing opinions is a direct attack on their being. Of them, there's a pretty big number who would use religious reasoning to make it a direct attack on their soul.

"My beliefs do not allow me to answer this question," and going by the letter of that bill a teacher couldn't penalize the student over the answer.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 04:41 AM
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8. Let's teach alchemy with chemistry!
Astrology with astronomy! Woo-hoo!

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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:22 AM
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10. Or maybe Schizophrenia is possibly caused by
possession by demons. Or that disease is spread by witches rather than microorganism. OYE!
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:04 PM
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11. Great news! We're battling the same thing here in TX. Sign the petition:
If you'd like to help support science visit Texas Freedom Network:

http://www.tfn.org/site/PageServer
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:43 AM
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12. Guess Iowa has changed over time. n/t
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