Strange rock raises questions

[Ichingcarpenter]

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Strange rock raises questions



Frank Levine
Record Staff Writer
7/8/2008 11:46:00 PM

A strange rock with unusual magnetic properties - deeply scored, with what appears to be moon phases, a solar eclipse and the depiction of a supernova -- has been unearthed on the outskirts of Roswell. Its discovery has startled researchers, scientists and all who have examined it.


Roswell Mayor Sam D. LaGrone, who actually saw and touched the rock over the weekend, said, "It is a very strange looking rock.... I touched it, I felt it, and I just don't see how it could have been produced."


Apart from its strange appearance, Zukowski said, the rock has "peculiar" magnetic properties.

"It retains its magnetic polarity by which it will spin a compass needle and register its magnetic field on meters," he said. The oval rock will also spin, depending on the position of a magnet over the image surface, he added.

Zukowski and Ziegelmeyer said that archeologists requested that the rock be submitted for further laboratory analysis, in what they describe as phase two of their investigation.

One anthropologist reportedly described the rock as being similar to a "lodestone." Meanwhile, investigators claim the artifact mirrors crop circles that appeared in Liddleton, England, in 1996, indicating a possibility the stone bears a message from space.




Link: http://www.roswell-record.com/main.asp?SectionID=49&SubSectionID=112&ArticleID=29836

[az chela]

1. WOW ,this could be BIG NEWS

Especially since it was near Roswell where the UFO landed.I hope the rock doesnt dissapear like so many things do.This could prove it is extraterrestrial

[Ichingcarpenter]

2. I found it interesting but took it with a grain of salt

If its really examined by scientists and the findings are revealed
then we will know more of the story.

To me it looks like it was produced by laser etching.

I thought it was a fun story anyway.

[Riktor]

5. Yeah...

... except that it isn't, and no UFO landed at Roswell.

I know, it's a cute story... little green men coming to earth in flying saucers for the explicit purpose of abducting rednecks and shoving probes up their asses... but it is a byproduct of an era of paranoia, and nothing more.

[druidity33]

8. got proof?

as far as i'm concerned you'd need to prove to me that aliens DIDN"T land there... otherwise we're in the same boat.

I'm sure you've heard this:"Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you."

:shrug:

[cyborg_jim]

10. NO - YOU need to prove to ME that the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy weren't behind it all

[druidity33]

12. sure no problem

I've got it on good authority that the Easter Bunny was in Russia at the time. And the Tooth Fairy has been out of commission for at least 120 years, so i don't know how you're gonna get proof of anything there. Ask the tooth goblins who've taken care of the business these past few decades...

:)

[comrade snarky]

22. You know you just asked

Someone to prove a negative right? The thing that cant be done.

I need you to prove to me that Jupiter isn't populated with invisible pink unicorns. Cant do it? Then it must be true.

[druidity33]

25. excuse me

but dozens of reputable people saw strange things that night. Several Military and Police personnel swear they held and saw crash remains. Just because the evidence was disappeared, and the witnesses shunned, that means this is a "negative" that can't be proved? There was more physical evidence to support a UFO than there was to support a weather balloon.

I wasn't trying to ask for proof from the other poster, just making sure they knew that both sides of the story are equally plausible.

Take what you want from that, Sgt snark...


i shrug again...

:shrug:

[comrade snarky]

27. Believe whatever you want

I thought you might want to come up with something better than "prove it didn't happen" to back up your case.
As I said, it's logically impossible to prove a negative argument. Prove the world wasn't created yesterday. If you cant then maybe it was. Prove evidence wasn't hidden, if you cant maybe it was. Not a solid argument. Maybe I misunderstood your post but it sure looked that way to me.

From my point of view both sides are not equal in plausibility or credibility but it's probably not worth opening that can "o" worms. Someone finds (or makes) a weird rock and with no more than that you have jumped to the conclusion that it supports your belief that aliens crashed in Nevada. Did you even consider any other explanation for the thing? An open mind is important but as the old saying goes make sure it's not so open the brain falls out.

[druidity33]

30. holy cow...

i'm not even talking about the rock!

get a grip! read the thread using comprehension!

NEWSFLASH! I DON'T PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT ALIENS CRASHED IN NEVADA!

All i was saying is that there is more evidence to support the argument that aliens landed in Nevada than that they didn't!

Can you not understand that? WTF are you on about this proving negative crap?

Your "i'm so smart and can't believe you believe in ETs" attitude is belittling and unwarranted in my case, since i don't.



I'm outta this thread because quite frankly, some of you folk are insane about attacking anything that can be remotely construed as kooky-nutball Kucinich alien stuff...

you should be the one to talk about an open mind. Try opening yours a little more fella... i think it's getting squeezed too hard.

[comrade snarky]

32. Chill out

Cant have a conversation with people who don't accept your every word as gospel eh?

You don't believe aliens landed in Nevada but you're arguing there's good evidence it happened even though you don't believe it.

I cant for the life of me figure out why people don't understand you. It's a mystery even bigger than your rock that you may or may not believe is evidence of aliens or maybe isn't but I cant say for sure. :sarcasm:

You are one confusing person.

By the way, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof.

[druidity33]

37. no

"Cant have a conversation with people who don't accept your every word as gospel eh?"

-sounds a lot more like you than me...


"You don't believe aliens landed in Nevada but you're arguing there's good evidence it happened even though you don't believe it."

-No. I said there was "more" evidence, not good evidence.


"I cant for the life of me figure out why people don't understand you."

-Actually, it seems like it's mostly just you who doesn't understand what i'm saying here.


"It's a mystery even bigger than your rock that you may or may not believe is evidence of aliens or maybe isn't but I cant say for sure."

-You're just being an ass here. What hasn't actually been said outright, but which you can infer from what i've written in this thread, is that i'll reserve judgement on "the stone" until it's been analyzed. Somehow, you've latched onto the OPINION i stated that it didn't look poured to me and conflated and obfuscated everything i've said since to try and portray me as a confused and deluded believer. This, unfortunately, is a common tactic used by "skeptics" to delegate the voices of "believers" to the kookbin. Especially irritating to me since i wouldn't really consider myself either. I'm more of an agnostic when it comes to aliens.





I have no horse in this particular race. I just don't like it when people bend my words.

A good day to you Senor Snarky... feel free to go pee on someone else's posts for awhile.

[comrade snarky]

41. I thought you had left this thread?

You know, crap like yours does bring out the asshole in me. Must be the insulting behavior, YELLING and general inability to come up with a coherent argument. If I've "latched onto the OPINION i stated" maybe it's because you fucking stated it. Sheesh.

The only one bending your words is you. Keep back pedaling though, looks like you might be getting somewhere.

[usregimechange]

3. Creepy

[guyton]

4. P. T. Barnum would be proud

Gas prices must be impacting the Roswell economy, time for a stunt!

[formercia]

6. Everything on this planet was extraterrestrial at one time or other.

I'm more concerned about how I'm going to fill the gas tank on my pickup.

[miles 2 go]

7. Looks poured from a mold to me

Like it was ground to dust, mixed with something, poured into a mold.

[druidity33]

9. can you pour stone?

As a former jewelry student i've cast a few projects in silver and gold. It doesn't look poured to me. Even with a centrifuge, i don't think a poured amalgam would get that solid.

:shrug:

[TZ]

11. Just because something is inexplicable in your experience

does not necessarily mean its authentic..Its too perfect looking, IMO..reminds me of the piltdown man and another great forgery I heard of lately..the crystal skull. Kudos to the artist.
Reproduce these "strange polarity" results in several different independent labs and get back to me.

[druidity33]

13. well

I was just saying it didn't look poured and i wasn't sure what the other poster was saying about stone was possible.

Do you have any experience pouring metal into molds?

:shrug:

[TalkingDog]

24. you can make anything look like anything with enough talent.

It looks like stoneware clay.

Not people. Plastic polymer (duane hanson):


Not organic: plastic, polymer, ceramic:


too many to show, most likely clay:
http://www.pamelasunday.com/sculptures.htm

also clay


paint:

[druidity33]

26. fine, whatever...

I wasn't saying it couldn't have been fashioned by some PERSON as a gag joke or whatever.

ALL I WAS SAYING IS THAT IT DIDN'T LOOK FUCKING POURED...

good grief.

I'll ask again, anybody else know anything about pouring stone/metal into molds?


again i shrug, this time with more irritable intonations...

:shrug:

[comrade snarky]

28. You may not believe this but I do

I've done quite a bit of casting using various plasters, cement (stone) and a little work with foam latex.

To make this I'd take a rock from the garden and build the markings on to it out of plasticine. Then paint it with a few layers of liquid latex or use algenate (dental tooth molding goo) to make a negative mold. Once I have a negative they could be cranked out like an assembly line. It would also be simple to embed a nice strong rare earth magnet in the substance while it's still wet.

Color could be either be added to the material or painted on at the end then a bath in tea or coffee or diluted shoe polish could weather it to whatever age you like.

Anyone with basic molding skills could have a bucket full of these in about a week.

Edited to add:

Looking more closely at this the marking are raised on the rock, not etched into it. You can see a slight shadow cast by the raised edge on the upper left. How did the aliens add to an already existing rock? If it was carved from a larger rock why make the rest of the thing look like it's not been touched? Those pockmarks on the surface have to have been added if this was created by removing material from a larger original.

Frankly the color is odd as well. It seems very uniform, a little too uniform but that could just be me.

[druidity33]

31. i agree

with almost everything you say here. I too have used algenate, liquid latex and made plaster casts. (Used to work in the Theatre Dept Costume shop, majored in Tech Theatre for awhile).

All i said to the other poster was that it didn't look like it was poured (referring to the way he described it... as being poured FROM a mold) If i were to try and make one of these myself i would use plaster.

But it would be really easy to tell just by holding it that it was fake. Any amount of lab analysis would immediately render it a forgery/human made object. How has it passed scrutiny thus far and made it into the National media?

i shrug again...

:shrug:

[comrade snarky]

33. You didnt under stand what was meant

By poured from a mold?

It wasn't well worded but it's clear what was meant. I don't believe you didn't understand.

[jberryhill]

43. "How has it passed scrutiny thus far and made it into the National media? "

There is no "scrutiny" required for national media reports of almost anything.



A blend of pulverized granite and poly resin.

[Warren Stupidity]

14. So they have inter-stellar travel technology and they hand

out carved stones? Obviously the LGM are pulling our tentacles.

[SpookyCat]

35. Well, they have to leave markings in wheat fields to remind them

where they parked the spaceship...

[yy4me]

15. If the rock mysteriously disappears, you will know it is real.

Wouldn't want your government or your military to allow you to be frightened by "things" from outer space.

Hey, Uncle Sam, you scare me more than any extra-terrestrial rock or being ever could.

Keep your eye on the rock folks, if they write it off, I'm just enough of a skeptic to believe it is a remnant of things past and "they" don't want us to know about it. Might upset some of the far right believers who could not ever accept the fact that we are not the only ones to inhabit this universe.

[On the Road]

16. I Was Expecting This to be from the Science Section of Pravda

If you follow that for any length of time, you will end up with a very strange view of the world.

[formercia]

19. ...but it's entertaining.

:rofl:

[formercia]

17. Alien symbols found tattoed on human skin:

Some people have nothing better to do with their time. In my day it was sitting bare-butt on a Xerox machine...

http://gizmodo.com/5021368/guy-uses-laser+etch-machine-to-tattoo-himself-verdict

buy a machine to do it. There are others..

http://www.gravograph.com/usa/Engraving%20Machines/Laser_Engraving.php

[Posteritatis]

18. People *still* believe that crop-circles BS? (nt)

[cyborg_jim]

21. How else are intergalactic aliens supposed to communicate with us huh?

It's not like they've got e-mail is it?

[comrade snarky]

23. I'm old fashioned

I expect them to talk to me like they did 1500 years ago. Scratching long straight lines and giant bugs into the desert floor of South America.

Dang aliens today and their new fangled wheat bending devices. I wont have it I tell ya!

[Prophet 451]

29. What's to believe, they exist

What they are is another matter. Personally, I think they're a type of earthform art.

[windoe]

20. Test it to see what the molecular structure is.

Interesting, thank you for posting this.
There are too many mysteries and coverups to know what is illusion and what is fact these days. Absolute denial of extraterrestrials is just as extreme as claiming to know everything about their agenda. I choose something in between and want to learn.

[struggle4progress]

34. Who could argue with investigators and an anthropologist?

Until I saw this article, I was a skeptic who regarded all these crop circles as accidental byproducts of the prevailing winds

But after eliminating the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, is the truth

Space aliens it is!

[SpookyCat]

36. LOL! Hey now...don't be closeminded...

...could be angels!

O8)

[mainegreen]

38. How are magnets mysterious?

I have some magnets in the shape of little men.

:shrug:

[Indenturedebtor]

39. Ok this is total and utter crap but symbolically I think the message is

"We inhabit a planet much like earth with a large moon etc, and we are all in this universe together in brotherhood" :P

That thing doesn't even look real heh.

[semillama]

40. Unusual magnetic properties?

What's unusual about a piece of iron ore (per the article) having magnetic properties?

What a stupid, sensationalist article. If it is indeed a rock. It could in fact be a molded object. The rock itself doesn't look like a piece of iron ore, it looks like a water smoothed cobble of an igneous or metamorphic rock. I'm think you have an artist who takes such a cobble, sticks a cut out block of plastic in the shape of the crop circle on top, prepares a mold from that, and then casts a ferrous metal object from the mold. The artist then magnetizes the object and voila - one mysterious alien rock.

[Esra Star]

42. I'll put the rent on...

Somebody is just screwing with the minds of the gullible and the feeble.




again

[Orsino]

44. Amazing similarity between two man-made objects.

:eyes:

[Igel]

45. Almost makes you believe in the existence of sentient humans, doesn't it? n/t