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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:19 PM Original message |
I've been thinking about this a lot: We MUST add Chimpanzees to genus homo. |
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lazer47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. We already did in 2000,, his classification is GWB |
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qb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. Sounds good to me, but I suspect a few creation "science" heads will explode |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Good. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. Too many people have a vested interest in denying that we are animals |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. There's also this, by Dawkins... |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
6. maybe we should change our genus to "pan." |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I thought of that... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
8. Too many anatomical and genetic differences, IMO. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I'm a lumper not a splitter, and I think we pay too much attention to "anatomical differences." |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
10. What's the solid biology? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. We think too highly of ourselves. Our behaviors are entirely chimpanzee. |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Again, I think you're letting the politics/sentiment get in the way of the science |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Those bipedal apes we dig up are probably not our ancestors. |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. So, in order to force Pan into Homo, you have to throw out |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. If genetically we have more in common with the bonobo than the chimpanzee... |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. You do know that tool using is common outside of primates |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Here's a fun link for your exploration... |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
13. Here's a quick chart I drew: |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Good point |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
15. I guess one question is, who would we have to convince? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Once I started thinking this way I couldn't go back. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
17. Some science. A paper in Nature. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
23. Something else to think about... |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
24. Most biologists already view Chimpanzees as members of Homo |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. It's obvious on the face of it, especially so with the genetics. |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. The problem with the Equus comparison |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. To you it's obvious that Pan belongs in a separate genus. |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. And once again, you ignore my point |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I'd settle for Australopithecus vulgaris. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Equus Genetics -- Evolutionary movement of centromeres in horse, donkey, and zebra. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
29. The Human Genome project, The Hubble Telescope, and Bach's |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. vulgar = common |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. simply put |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. "Genus" is entirely a linguistic issue. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Well, you asked |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Thanks for arguing! |
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