McCain's disgusting vitamin ban bill

[AZgirl7]

Certified proof of McCain's delusional hubris:

http://www.healthfreedom.org/

[Suji to Seoul]

1. he'll be primaried away by former Congresswoman JD Hayworth

and then he will lose to the Democrat since the rabid right wing in Arizona is slowly dying.

They ran a POS like that in CD-8 in Arizona, and that worthless Blue Dog Gabby Giffords won. His name was Randy Graf.

They ran another POS like that in CD-7 and a good Democrat, Raul Grijlva won. His name was Jon Sweeney.

These RW asswipes in Arizona get the rural, idiot counties where no one lives and the East Valley of Phoenix.

The Democrat carries the counties of Yuma, Pima, Santa Cruz, Coconino, the Navajo Reservation, the Hopi Reservation and the West Valley of Phoenix.

McCain will be sucking prune juice through his straw soon enough.

[DesertFlower]

2. i hope you're right. nt

[HuckleB]

8. You clearly know nothing about Hayworth.

As bad as McCain is, Hayworth is multiple times worse.

[DesertFlower]

9. i live in arizona. i know hayworth.

my statement "i hope your right" was directed to the poster who said "and then he will lose to the Democrat since the rabid right wing in Arizona is slowly dying".

[HuckleB]

10. I wouldn't count on that.

The possibility of Hayworth is insanely scary.

[DesertFlower]

11. i agree. nt

[Triana]

3. I've posted about that goddamned thing here a few times...got lambasted

believe it or not, a lot of DUers LIKE McCain's vitamin ban bill.

Go figure.

If he gets his way, your senna (or any other herbal) tea will be by Rx only and cost 3x as much. Yee Haa.

[Raine]

4. So many people here would rather

go to some pill pusher instead of taking their health into their own hands and learning something about vitamins and supplements. Well fine for them if they don't want to but it's wrong to deprive those of us who want remain healthy with vitamins etc. :mad:

[cutlassmama]

5. there are some of us with medical conditions that HAVE to take vitamins

what are we supposed to do? He's an insane asswipe.

[HuckleB]

17. Try informing yourself about the bill, rather than just buying into "Big Supplement" propaganda.

[trotsky]

19. In that case, wouldn't you want to be sure that what you're buying...

actually contains the active ingredient you want? And in the correct amounts, not contaminated, etc., etc.?

[LeftishBrit]

22. I'm one of them. And I live under those eeeevil EU regulations.

And no one has ever stopped me from taking vitamin supplements when I choose.

I even get vitamin D and calcium supplements on NHS prescription.

[ima_sinnic]

6. rosehips and chamomile would become "controlled substances" like pot?

that would be insane.
I don't have medical insurance and eat as healthily as I can to prevent illness and "conditions." I just bought a pound of rosehips for tea--it's extremely high in vitamin C, so it helps ward off infections, and it's been shown to ease symptoms of osteoporosis, which I may be developing. How would someone like me, with no insurance, have access to even those kinds of basic, natural things?

Rosehips can be easily grown--are rose bushes now going to need a special license for growing? Ridiculous! Good luck with that! I have chamomile, among others, in my herb garden as well (and am planning to greatly expand the herbs I grow, esp. in light of this asshole bill) and defy any "agent" to bust me for it. If these idiots think they can start regulating and making illegal all kinds of plants people use for tea, they are truly delusional.

[LeftishBrit]

23. Such a bill won't stop you growing herbs in your garden!!!

The point of it is to regulate the quality and safety of vitamin supplements that are manufactured for SALE!

How would I know? Well, as the article points out, the EU has similar regulations to those proposed; and no one gets prosecuted here for growing herbs for themselves! And we can buy a wide range of vitamin supplements at any local chemist. And doctors can prescribe vitamin supplements on the NHS if they think a patient needs them (I get vitamin D and calcium cheaply that way, as like you I am at risk for osteoporosis). And my workplace canteen offers camomile and other herbal teas, alongside tea and coffee; and is hardly unusual in this way.

Seems like some American supplement manufacterers are a little bit paranoid about ordinary everyday quality control, and are trying to make everyone else paranoid too.

You ARE sadly being scammed by a system that denies you adequate access to healthcare. I hope that this changes soon!

[HuckleB]

7. Nonsense.

It's ludicrous that our health care system has two separate expectation when it comes to evidence for benefit and safety. It's time to protect consumers.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3772

[EvolveOrConvolve]

14. Thanks for the link

It explained it pretty well, but now I'm confused about the posts above because the bill doesn't do any of the things it's accused of doing. Seems like a pretty common sense bill to me. Very pro-consumer and doesn't seem to have any negatives other than McCain's name on it.

[varkam]

12. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see what the problem with the bill is.

I mean, other than McCain is sponsoring it. Aside from that, though, after reading the bill I'm not struck with the sense that consumers are going to have any harder time whatsoever with obtaining supplements. It seems like a lot of the bill is focused on the regulation of the production end of it which I'm having trouble seeing how that's a bad thing.

If you like supplements, great, if you don't, great, but I don't see why there should be disagreement about someone monitoring to make sure that they contain what they purport to contain.

[trotsky]

13. You're not missing anything.

It's just time once again for alt-med paranoia that "TEH JACKBOOTED THUGS ARE GONNA TAKE YER VITAMINS!!!ZOMGWTFBBQ!!11!"

[SidDithers]

15. Why shouldn't manufacturers in the multi-billion dollar nutriceutical industry...

be held to account for the content and safety of their product, like every other industry is?

Sid

[Codeine]

16. What an incredible misrepresentation.

Par for the course for the Supplement Paranoia Gang. This bill does not do what you imply it does.

[semillama]

18. More importantly

The bill does not do what the big supplement manufacturers want you to think it does.

It may eat into Big Supplement's bottom line to have to follow strict guidelines for production, same as pharmaceuticals. And that's where the scare tactics come from.

[superduperfarleft]

20. Hey, at least they're not quoting the Birchers anymore. n/t

[LeftishBrit]

21. I'm no fan of McCain but how is this a ban?

If someone sets quality and safety controls for car manufacturers, is that a ban on cars?