Are the 30 million w/o health insurance now being forced to 'buy-in' going to vote Democratic ?

[EVDebs]

What do you think ? Plus a $950 fine for an individual and almost $4000 for a family ? Dr Phil would say 'WHAT were you THINKING' ?

[dave29]

1. you'll have to ask them... maybe they could use the insurance.

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[EVDebs]

5. They'll get the insurance or be fined, but will they get the healthcare ? nt

[alsame]

8. That's what I think is a big problem I haven't heard addressed - will these

people now have a double whammy of no healthcare plus a fine?

[EVDebs]

10. Unaffordable 'healthcare' but mandatory fees...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7267834

[alsame]

18. Not good scenarios. Thanks for the link. nt

[still_one]

2. Do you think they are going to vote republican? /nt

[villager]

4. I guess the question is -- ripped off by both parties, will they vote at all?

n/t

[still_one]

13. I believe that is the correct answer /nt

[EVDebs]

6. If they're predisposed to the GOP and you as a Dem hand them the bill

It's like the moonshiners taking a swat at the revenuers, to use a southern analogy.

[still_one]

14. I like the analogy, but I don't agree that they will vote republican either /nt

[AndyA]

3. And remember: We were told NO NEW TAXES!

I wonder what they hell they think this is? Mandatory payments...sounds like a tax to me.

Oh yeah, everyone hit with this will be sure to vote for Democrats next year. :eyes:

[EVDebs]

7. Oh, and Obama's Afgan adventure...who's going to pay for that one ?

No surtax on Wall St I can promise you that.

[sabrina 1]

17. Mandates? They're popular with the ruling class these days

and if they get away with it, why not force people to buy whatever their favorite product is, provided by whoever gives them the most money. And if people don't pay, they've already discovered a brilliant way to use the IRS as a collection agency. I'm sure it's unConstitutional but who cares anymore, certainly not Democrats.

[Interloper]

9. New Mexico has a Public Option

It is very low cost, people that earn less than $19,000 don't pay a thing.
Private insurance companies act merely as brokers and deal with the paper work...no denials.
go to newmexico.gov and search state coverage insurance (SCI)

[EVDebs]

11. The city of San Francisco does too...media won't cover this. n/t

[izquierdista]

12. This one will be emigrating

I came back to the US shortly after the inauguration, thinking that maybe things here would be looking up. Boy was that a mistake! The careful tour I took during the Bush years, of places to emigrate to and the plans I made, those plans are back on the front burner. And it will be to a country that has a national health plan.

[murphyj87]

20. I know a place

The obvious choice is Canada. Contrary to American myth, we have excellent universal health care, better than what most Americans have. We're close to the US to visit. Our unemployment in November was 8.5% (against US 10% unemployment). No Canadian banks have failed, while (128 US banks have failed this year alone). Canadian small business and business in general are thriving because they aren't saddled with the astronomical health costs that US business is, thus many American jobs are being outsourced to Canada.

[sabrina 1]

15. I know a few who will be forced to buy insurance and

since they cannot afford it, would like to have kept the choice of not going into debt to buy something they cannot afford, which won't cover them anyhow as they co-pays will be way, way more than they can afford, I don't think they'll be voting for Democrats next time. Probably they'll be too busy just trying to survive and avoid jail if they cannot pay.

Btw, that fine will be collected by the IRS. If it is not paid, the interest the IRS charges will be prohibitive.

If this was a Bush idea, using the IRS as a collection agency for Private Insurance, for a debt that people had responsibly decided they did not want to incur, I can only imagine what we'd be hearing from Democrats.

It's a very sad day for the working poor. I have two friends, both working their way through college, barely making it. If this goes into effect immediately they will have to make a choice between college and further enriching the Private Insurance Industry, or ignore it, refuse to pay, and end up going to jail.

It's just one more way to criminalize the poor. We have to accept it, this is a country that punishes the poor and rewards the rich no matter how corrupt they are.

Ending one war would pay for a Universal Health Care system and staying out of wars, cutting the bloated military budget just a little, would make a very good Health Care System possible for everyone.

A profit-based Health Care system is immoral. They may 'win' but those who opposed them were right. Money won, morality lost.

[Laelth]

16. Well said.

Kill the bill.

Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth

[Celebration]

19. What are the subsidies for insurance

for those who cannot afford it? Does anyone know?

[dmallind]

21. Apparently not,, as few opponents seem to mention them. NT