Vaccines - CDC Concedes Secretly that Vaccines have a Link to Autism...

[winyanstaz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sASmwEBYc4&feature=PlayList&p=6437AE92DECE0046&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=20

I found this very interesting...

[DavidDvorkin]

1. Federal officials conceded that the vaccine contributed to autism-like symptoms in one child

The broader conclusion is a stretch.

[aikoaiko]

10. If I recall correctly, the vaccine interacted with a preexisting neurological condition.

:shrug:

[mzmolly]

18. I think it more of a stretch to assume that this one child

is the only child.

[jwirr]

2. Wasn't there an article saying that the researcher who first found

the link between vaccines and autism admitted he lied? Is he now saying he did not lie?

[hedgehog]

3. The information is a matter of public record - not much of a secret!

A grand total of 9 children since 1990 including one with a specific rare cell disorder.

If the particular child got 9 vaccines at a single appointment when she was 19 months old, she was not on the recommended vaccine schedule:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/child-schedule.htm#printable

[Vickers]

4. Wait...I thought vaccines turned us into zombies?

:shrug:

[madrchsod]

5. vaccines turned me into a zombie...

along with the mercury i played with when i was a kid. the mercury from the coal furnace that heated the house i grew up in was the finishing touch.

[lightningandsnow]

6. BRAINNNNSSS! BRAINNNNNSSS!

Sorry for that outburst. Must have been the meningitis vaccine I got this summer.

[mopinko]

21. what do vegan zombies eat?

[trotsky]

23. GRAINS!!!!!

Duh!

[mopinko]

25. i thought that was a very funny joke, coming from my

very skinny vegetarian son.
but i did go to bed without checking in to deliver the punchline like i planned. i blame the vaccines.

[trotsky]

26. No doubt.

If you have amalgam fillings, that works as well. I find it incredible I'm still alive - according to alt-medders, I should have autism, Multiple Sclerosis, and a host of other auto-immune conditions.

[blondeatlast]

11. Must. Eat. Brains.

But only vaccinated ones, I hear that H1N1 is a pain in the butt.

[mzmolly]

22. Nope, that's Chicken Pox.

:sarcasm:

[stray cat]

7. Fox news light?

[Chemisse]

8. I think honesty and open mindedness would help more people trust the vaccines

When the suggestion of a link between vaccines and autism first became common knowledge, the immediate denial from the CDC and the medical community made many people suspicious, allowing this whole controversy to grow.

If this is dealt with honestly, and shows a real effort to determine the truth, not just the answer that will protect big business, I think parents will be a lot more likely to trust the vaccines, and this whole issue will just dissipate.

The mercury compound was removed, albeit without any admission that this could ever pose a problem to an infant. Now they need to look at the timetables for vaccinations and determine what is the safest program.

Parents need to feel that their concerns have been investigated and the vaccination program is set up in a way the most benefits the children, not the pharmaceutical companies.

[Confusious]

13. Well, what would you think,

if something, such as thimerosal, had been around since the 1920's.

"Morris Kharasch, a chemist at the University of Maryland, filed a patent application for thiomersal in 1927"

"It was used to kill bacteria and prevent contamination in antiseptic ointments, creams, jellies, and sprays used by consumers and in hospitals, including nasal sprays, eye drops, contact lens solutions, immunoglobulins, and vaccines."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal

If it's been used since that time, and no problems had shown up, why all of the sudden after 80 years of use?

A few loud, science illiterate people stirred the pot, and got other science illiterate people to believe them.

[HelenWheels]

15. Thiomersal was a problem

It sure caused me a problem with contact lenses. And if it was no problem why did they remove it from the contact lens solution?

[trotsky]

27. Some people are allergic.

It's rare, but can happen. That is why when vaccines did contain thimerosal, an allergy was a contraindication.

[Chemisse]

19. I would think they didn't get many vaccines then

The number of inoculations given to infants routinely has gone way up in the last few decades.

At any rate, I am not arguing for or against the role of mercury in autism. I am arguing for more daylight to be let into the process so people who are very worried can understand the risks and benefits without fears they are being deceived.

[Confusious]

9. The title is misleading

Should add "in one child"

and that she also had a rare cell disorder.

[trotsky]

12. And it's not even autism.

But "autism-like symptoms." Hannah Poling was never diagnosed with autism. The anti-vaxers hate that fact, so they'll either avoid the subject, or like the title of the OP - just outright lie.

[Confusious]

14. They'll still cling to

"vaccines are dangerous, look at her"

Children should be tested for the disorder that she has, and the vaccine schedule slowed down in any case that has the disorder. But not stopped.

[trotsky]

17. Vaccines are never 100% safe.

Funny thing, no one has ever claimed they are. Lots of people can't get them, people like Hannah Poling. Of course what a vaccine *supposedly* did to Hannah, the real disease almost certainly would have. Is this an indictment of vaccines? Not even close. More like evidence that as many of us SHOULD vaccinate so that children like Hannah are protected by herd immunity. But you won't see the anti-vaxers admitting that.

[gristy]

16. And how does the CDC keep this a secret? What with all the studies and such in peer reviewed

journals? Maybe their "secret" conclusion/concession is wrong?

[mzmolly]

20. "One child with an unusual disorder" my ass.

One child with a Neurologist for a Father and an Attorney/RN for a Mother, is more like it.

*edited to clarify that my post was in response to the official BS talking point noted in the video*

[winyanstaz]

24. Well it had to have been proven in court for the courts to order payments wasnt it?

[Bragi]

28. Right, and smoking doesn't cause cancer...

Here's what people need to know:

There is no scientific or medical debate about whether or not people should get the H1N1 vaccine.

People who can do so should get vaccinated if they want to protect themselves and others from the disease. Period.

We need to stop pretending there is room for informed debate on this.

[Euromutt]

29. Uhm, actually...

Smoking greatly increases your risk of cancer, but it's not a given that a smoker will develop cancer. Even though 90% of lung cancer patients are smokers (though that percentage will drop as fewer people take up smoking), if you smoke 40 cigarettes a day for 40 years, you still "only" have a 25% chance of contracting lung cancer. And personally, even though I am a smoker myself, I don't know anyone who smokes that much. Fact is, though, a large number of smokers essentially "get away" with their habit.

But that's really just an aside. One major difference between smoking and not vaccinating your kid is that--provided you don't do it where others have to breathe your smoke--smoking only presents a risk to yourself. Not vaccinating your kid, however, not only puts your own kid at risk, but (as the Wired article points out) threatens herd immunity, which puts at risk those individuals to whom the vaccine cannot be administered for health reasons.

And sure, as long as herd immunity is maintained, the risk to your own kid is negligible, provided everybody else does vaccinate. It's the moral equivalent of not paying your taxes on the basis that it won't make a significant difference to the government, provided you're the only one, but it does make a significant difference to you. Well, that may be true, but what if everybody reasons the way you do, and concludes that it's better for them, personally, not to pay their taxes, then the next thing you know, government doesn't have the funds to maintains roads and sewage and what have you, and we're all screwed. And that's what'll happen if we tolerate the amazingly selfish anti-vaxx attitude.