Is there anything that Vit D won't cure?

[supernova]

:shrug:

Just asking.

[CTyankee]

1. Yes. evenutal death. nt

[liberalmuse]

2. Bigotry. n/t

[rurallib]

3. I am guessing stupidity.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. Vitamin D overdose... I would imagine. n/t

[sipping radicchio]

5. I would replace Vitamin D with the Sun in your

question and I do believe that the Sun is everything to us. The difference between a chlorophyll molecule and a red blood cell is that iron is in the center of the blood cell and magnesium is in the former's center.

The Sun was used for many years to heal patients in cloudy climes (like England) who had diseases like TB.

I don't believe that supplements can touch the Sun. It is our lifeline. It is our friend:)

[trotsky]

6. ...

The difference between a chlorophyll molecule and a red blood cell is that iron is in the center of the blood cell and magnesium is in the former's center.

Do you have ANY idea what you're talking about? :shrug:

[mopinko]

19. no, just our crazy friend again

amazing, amazing mind. so twisted, so obsessed. i hope she plans to leave her body to science, because that brain is one of a kind.

[Celebration]

7. ingrown toenails

Well, maybe it does, but no proof yet.

Actually most of the vitamin D research is not about cures, but epidemiological studies on associations and possible prevention. But I have never seen one on ingrown toenails.

[Warpy]

8. With the mulitple posts citing its remarkable range of curative powers

I'm reminded of the traveling medicine show, "Cures sprains, bruises and lumbago! Cures female complaint! A specific for colds and pneumonia!"

Then they blew town before people started to die from it.

[hedgehog]

15. When I first googled Vitamin D, that's what I thought. You can find plenty of

sites extolling the wonders of Vitamin D that just happen to also sell it. Dig a little deeper, and you'll find journal articles by the diabetes people studying the effect of Vitamin D on insulin. You'll find articles from the lupus, MS and rheumatic arthritis people about the influence of Vitamin D on inflammation. You'll find articles from the cancer researchers about Vitamin D and the prostate. The psychiatrists are writing about Vitamin D and SAD, Vitamin D and dementia. I think even the cardiovascular people are getting involved. In each case, the research was primed by an observation that there seemed to be a correlation with sunlight exposure and the condition under study. When you realize that Vitamin D is a hormone, it all starts to make sense.

From Wiki:

"Hormones (from Greek ὁρμή - "impetus") are chemicals released by cells that affect cells in other parts of the body. Only a small amount of hormone is required to alter cell metabolism. It is essentially a chemical messenger that transports a signal from one cell to another."

[Liberal Veteran]

9. Probably something, but marijuana/hemp cures what Vit D doesn't.

As near as I can tell, if you mixed Vit D, marijuana, and acai berries and then diluted them 10,000 times, you'll have created the elixir of immortality.

[semillama]

10. Shhh! I'm patenting that! n/t

[trotsky]

11. ...

:spray: :thumbsup:

[Orrex]

12. The heartbreak of psoriasis

Christ! You don't know the meaning of heartbreak.

[hedgehog]

16. Ummmm......

Psoriasis and Vitamin D3

A Review of Our Experience

Shigeto Morimoto, MD, PhD; Kunihiko Yoshikawa, MD, PhD

Arch Dermatol. 1989;125(2):231-234.

We also found a significant negative correlation between the severity of psoriasis and the basal serum level of 1{alpha},25-dihydroxyvitamin D but not with those of other calcium-related parameters in psoriatic patients. These data suggest that exogenous active forms of vitamin D3 are effective for treatment of psoriasis and that the endogenous 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D level also may be involved in the development of this skin disease.

http://archderm.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/125/2/231

[Orrex]

20. Clearly you're not a Tom Waits fan

Step right up!

[kevinthomas]

13. strenght to your bones and brain

It really don't have any idea about this but I know that it gives strenght to your bones and brain.

[cosmik debris]

14. Racism n/t

[hedgehog]

17. Scurvy, beri-beri, pellegra

[semillama]

18. What I want to know is if these isn't just a mix up of correlation and causation

given that the modern Western lifestyle is conducive to low levels of Vit D (most of time spent indoors, nutritionally deficient diet). So, wouldn't low levels of Vitamin D be found across a wide population, many of whom would also just happen to have the ailments that are being purportedly linked to D deficiencies? I just hesitate to think that it's really all that simple.

[hedgehog]

21. The low levels of Vitamin D have led to experiments to see if improved levels relieve symptoms,

and there have been a series of promising results.

I would speculate that at least two things are happening.

1. Maybe the sick people are missing something that allows them to compensate for the low level. Thus, you have a large population that is low in Vitamin D, but only some people go on to develop MS.

2. Maybe we are seeing large scale effects of low Vitamin D levels. For example, Vitamin D is being intensely studied to tease out its role in the insulin/glucose relationship. Diabetics who bring their serum Vitamin D levels back into the optimum range find they need less injected insulin to maintain proper blood sugar levels. Now consider the American obesity/diabetes epidemic. All populations are effected, but Native Americans, Latino-Americans and African-Americans are effected at a higher rate than white Americans. Poor whites are effected at a higher rate than rich whites. Common wisdom attributes this to the poor diets of the effected populations, but could lower Vitamin D levels from a decreased ability to make Vitamin D (darker skin) or less exposure to sunlight (less time/money for outdoor activities) also have a role?


What I haven't seen is any information as to whether typical Vitamin D levels have dropped in recent years. One tantalizing piece of evidence is the recent observation of kids with rickets. I saw reports of this about 10 years ago as a curiosity because most American doctors had never seen rickets.

[Celebration]

22. it is found across a wide population

But it just happens that from epidemiology studies, lower levels of vitamin D in the blood is correlated with all kinds of diseases. It is correlation. Most of the studies have not studied causation, only correlation.

So, if you want to assume that these things are correlated, but that low vitamin D doesn't cause bad things to happen, then fine, don't take any. But keeping a higher level of Vitamin D is cheap, and without any known side effects. And epidemiologists have seen sufficient evidence to feel thet there is causation, although they don't yet have a smoking gun on all conditions. But the vitamin D researchers in California feel that the weight of the evidence supports causation, and they want people's vitamin D levels tested, and, if needed, treated. A lot of the academicians promoting this are in the public health field.

Now, what everyone does with that information is up to them.

[hedgehog]

23. it's always dangerous to conflation correlation with causation,

so it's reasonable to be skeptical until a hypothesis that there is a connection is tested. In the case of Vitamin D, multiple experiments from many medical specialties are confirming the connections and leading into new areas of research.


A lot of people are skeptical because vitamin vendors are pushing Vitamin D. The vitamin people may end up making a little more money, but compare the profit margins using Vitamin D to prevent illness vs. the profit margin for drugs treating diabetes, depression, arthritis, cardiovascular disease, prostate cancer, etc.

[Celebration]

24. Vitamin D profits are not monopoly profits

But free market profits. Have you priced the stuff? Cheeeaaaap. I mean, this stuff is really cheap.

Even if you felt that there was a low probability that Vitamin D actually caused cancer, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, etc., it would make sense to keep Vitamin D levels up just to hedge your bets. That way, if you bet wrong, you'd be covered. There just isn't a downside as long as you check your vitamin D levels.

And that is the same argument the epidemiologists make, except, their evidence, they feel, is exceptionally strong--just not direct. The consortium of Vitamin D researchers in California feel that it is a public health problem of very high magnitude. Do you really want to bet against that?